Mini 1349: Words with Scum (Game over!)

[PeregrineV]

Oh I understand what the word hypothetical means. Do you understand that specifically crafting a scenario to support your stance isn’t a valid method by which to prove a point.

Then the point, as you know, is not that all 6 getting the right letter combos is unlikely (I took the first abilities and matched them to the first names, because it's an EXAMPLE).
The point is that town cannot do anything with this information "going into night".

I further elaborated above.

Do you agree or disagree?

[Voidedmafia]

What will town be able to do with this information "going into night"?

Town can really do nothing at night except use their abilities. During the day, they can try to coordinate so that MoI gets a result and the other abilities are maximized, but given the scenario, town can dictate how they think abilities can be used, but they really can't do anything but use those abilities.
You're speaking like a scumgroup that has to minimize the damage of players having power roles.

I'm telling you what the scum can possibly do with those roles.

From a town standpoint the only one that should absolutely not be used (much less traded for) is the CPR Doc UNLESS he/she beliees the person with the vig is going to shoot town and is completely accurate.

Also, obviously no one can say, "Okay, town, you do this and that," and expect it to be done, but the point is that, as you just said, they can try to coordinate how to best use them.

how will town have "wasted a good combination"?

Considering again that town-Voided doesn't know who is scum and who is town, how will town "have wasted a good combination"?

Answered...

If he is effectively one letter away from making a good role and can convey such, he should.

Otherwise, I would say deference would go to the one who asked.

So he should claim his role and other letters? If he is town, why would he do this and make himself a target?

Because I totally said he should outright do so, eh?

And if you know you are town for sure, but can only guess at his alignment, why would you think he should get it if you can use it?

If his need is greater, he should get it. If his need is less than mine, I should get it. If his need is roughly equal to mine, whoever asked first should getit.

Laugh all you want. I think I'm right, and you haven't done anything to change my mind.

Because you've gotten yourself stuck in CB now?

[PeregrineV]

I'm telling you what the scum can possibly do with those roles.

Useless. Scum would be perfectly content if town got no roles. They still have the NK. Anything else they get is bonus. So, your analysis make sno sense.

From a town standpoint the only one that should absolutely not be used (much less traded for) is the CPR Doc UNLESS he/she beliees the person with the vig is going to shoot town and is completely accurate.

Missing the point again.

Also, obviously no one can say, "Okay, town, you do this and that," and expect it to be done, but the point is that, as you just said, they can try to coordinate how to best use them.

No, we can say that and expect it to be done, or else the person is lynched. The roles show no powers not gotten by letters.
If we identify power roles, we can dictate their coordination.
Scum will try to fuck it up-that's thier job.
Our job is to find a way to do it anyway.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Scum would be perfectly content if town got no roles. They still have the NK. Anything else they get is bonus. So, your analysis make sno sense.

Absolutely. And mass-claiming tiles from Day 1 makes sure Town gets the absolute minimum number of role by letting scum use the Nightkill and any abilities they do get to stymie Town. Which is why your analysis makes no sense.

[PeregrineV]

Scum would be perfectly content if town got no roles. They still have the NK. Anything else they get is bonus. So, your analysis make sno sense.

Absolutely. And mass-claiming tiles from Day 1 makes sure Town gets the absolute minimum number of role by letting scum use the Nightkill and any abilities they do get to stymie Town. Which is why your analysis makes no sense.

We didn't mass claim tiles. What are you talking about?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Meow.

[DCLXVI]

I believe that there HAS to be a scum in this. They are tunneling to deeply to actually be town vs town. And the reason I believe that MoI is scum is the way he says, "When I flip town" or "When he flips scum" with such confidence. It goes beyond normal town confidence. I mean, town can get confident but MoI is going over the top confident and he is refusing to believe any alternative than to what he is saying.

So now being confident is a scumtell, seriously?

[Amrun]

PeregrineV, I'm confused - are you suggesting we mass claim tiles?

[Voidedmafia]

PeregrineV, I'm confused - are you suggesting we mass claim tiles?

I believe he complained that we didn't, and that he would've at the start.

[Amrun]

Yes, but is he suggesting we do it now?

[Voidedmafia]

Yes, but is he suggesting we do it now?

No. Fairly sure he isn't.

[Quilford]

Game Board

Spoiler: Activity Log

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Voidedmafia flipped tile A4, revealing a D.
AurorusVox flipped tile G6, revealing a W.
IceGuy flipped tile H6, revealing an O.
DLCXVI flipped tile B6, revealing an M.
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile B5, revealing an N.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile I4, revealing a G.
2minds1soul took tile I1, collecting an unknown...
Robocopter87 flipped tile F4, revealing an I. 
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D3, revealing an R.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D3, collecting an R.
Robocopter87 took tile I5, collecting an unknown...
IceGuy took tile F4, collecting an I.
MagnaofIllusion took tile E1, collecting an unknown...
Voidedmafia took tile A4, collecting a D.
AurorusVox took tile I4, collecting a G.
whispersilk flipped tile B3, revealing an H.
DCLXVI took tile B6, collecting an M.
Amrun flipped tile F3, revealing an S.
vijay2vasandani took tile H6, collecting an O.
whispersilk took tile B4, collecting an unknown...
Amrun took tile B3, collecting an H.

MagnaofIllusion has used both his daily flip and collect.
AurorusVox has used both his daily flip and collect.
IceGuy has used both his daily flip and collect.
Lady Lambdadelta has used both her daily flip and collect.
2minds1soul have used their daily collect.
Robocopter87 has used both his daily flip and collect.
whispersilk has used both her daily flip and collect.
DCLXVI has used both his daily flip and collect.
vijay2vasandani has used both his daily flip and collect.
Amrun has used both her daily flip and collect.
Voidedmafia has used both his daily flip and collect. 

--- DAY 1 ------------------------------------------------
MagnaofIllusion flipped tile E5, revealing an R.
Hoopla flipped tile K1, revealing a C.
Voidedmafia flipped tile K6, revealing an X.
Lady Lambdadelta flipped tile D4, revealing an N.
Lady Lambdadelta took tile D4, collecting an N.
Robocopter87 flipped tile J2, revealing a P.
Robocopter87 took tile J2, collecting a P.
IceGuy flipped tile A1, revealing a P.
vijay2vasandani flipped tile C4, revealing an R.
2minds1soul flipped tile H4, revealing a C.
AurorusVox flipped tile A6, revealing a T.
Amrun took tile A2, collecting an unknown...
DLCXVI flipped tile F6, revealing a D.
Amrun flipped tile B2, revealing a V.
Arugula flipped tile D2, revealing an M.
Hoopla took tile E5, collecting an R.
whispersilk flipped tile G2, revealing a Z.
AurorusVox took tile A1, collecting a P.
MagnaofIllusion took tile B2, collecting a V.
Voidedmafia took tile C4, collecting an R.
vijay2vasandani took tile K1, collecting a C.
whispersilk took tile D2, collecting an M.
2minds1soul took tile H4, collecting a C.
Arugula took tile C6, collecting an unknown...
DCLXVI took tile A6, collecting a T.
IceGuy took tile F6, collecting a D.

Day 2

IceGuy

(4) Voidedmafia, DCLXVI, MagnaofIllusion, Amrun

vijay2vasandani

(3) Robocopter87, Lady Lambdadelta, AurorusVox

Voidedmafia

(2) PeregrineV, IceGuy

DCLXVI

(1) vijay2vasandani

MagnaofIllusion

(1) whispersilk

Not Voting

(0)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 

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Deadline hits in (expired on 2012-07-21 12:56:09).

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Apparently my prods on vijay or DCLXVI didn't go through, which is weird because I specifically remember sending them. Prodding vijay again.

MoI has declared Limited Access during weekends.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD – I’ll be LA as usual from today at 4:30pm EDT until Monday morning for my usual family duties

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I don’t see moving my vote from Iceguy. His wagon is unsurprisingly stalled AGAIN and yet another counter-wagon trying to get traction (Vijay this time). On a good note when we do finally get his scummy ass hung we have a great number of players pretty much cleared (DCL / myself / Vijay) as a result.

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So now being confident is a scumtell, seriously?

So once we get a lynch on Icescum remember this regarding Robo once I’m dead.

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The point is that town cannot do anything with this information "going into night".

I further elaborated above.

Do you agree or disagree?

I don’t particularly care. Scum are going to be able to do exactly what Voided is doing behind the scenes. The length of Night is plenty of time to analyze the picks being made, the potential Powers that can be in play, and to make decisions based on it. Thus there is no scum motivation to doing it publicly as you are trying to float.

Your premise again is flawed. I’m not going to argue with you any more about it we are going to disagree.

I reject that part of your case and haven’t seen anything else you’ve provided regarding Voided that makes me think my strong Town read on him is incorrect.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Also it is about time for Iceguy to see his name posted and throw down some fluff rhetoric before returning to his 'lurking out the deadline pressure' tactic.

[AurorusVox]

MoI, not enough people want to lynch ICEguy OR you. Even I'm not as convinced any more.
Vijay is a viable compromise wagon, which people in EITHER camp are able to agree with.

I'll give it to tomorrow because there is NOT going to be a no lynch today - not on MY watch.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, not enough people want to lynch ICEguy OR you. Even I'm not as convinced any more.
Vijay is a viable compromise wagon, which people in EITHER camp are able to agree with.

I'll give it to tomorrow because there is NOT going to be a no lynch today - not on MY watch.

You putting your vote back on Iceguy puts him at L-1 with 6 other players all of which should understand that no-lynch is disaster. All of them can't be his partners and thus I'm confident someone will make the correct decision to lynch scum.

Moving my vote puts Vijay at L-2 which is where I basically am with my Iceguy vote. It is not improving the game-state as far as lynching goes. Given Iceguy is an actual scum read for me and Vijay isn't (Robo is my other) I don't see that as a Pro-Town move.

[AurorusVox]

Fair enough.
But like I said, I'm starting to wonder about IceMoI as TvT...

[PeregrineV]

I thought DCL was likely to be scum because of somebody else's point. When I get something of my own to add, I will. I'm not going to go back over what was already discussed and paraphrase what others say and try to pass it off as a case.

I don't see where MoI supposedly claimed scum. Right now, DCL is the most likely scum. I can look through and read parts of the game if you want, but I'm travelling so that'll take some time.

In summary, I don't have good enough reads mostly through my own laziness which I will remedy before Wednesday. Or thursday because I have to do some college thingy. depends.

It's Friday. Why not Voided or even IceGuy?

[Voidedmafia]

It's Friday. Why not Voided or even IceGuy?

Additionally VM is still town.

<_<

[vijay2vasandani]

Okay, shit. I lost my phone, so I couldn't post as much as I wanted to and this was one of the games I didn't get to. I'm sorry. I'll get it done asap, I swear. But yeah VM is town. Let me read IceGuy.

[AurorusVox]

Fuuuu

6 hours

Someone change to Vijay

[whispersilk]

Out of the two, I'd rather lynch IG. At least we'll learn something from his flip.

[whispersilk]

However, most of the people on his wagon are scummy as fuck

[AurorusVox]

Out of Vijay and ICE?

[AurorusVox]

Vote ICE and I'll hammer if necessary to save us from a NL D:<