Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Arugula]

Me getting quicklynched

[Axelrod]

I hammered Thor? Sorry, buddy. I should've been more careful with my vote.

And this is why I overreacted to Vijay's mod-confirmed scum statement. Now you guys hammered a townie because of it.

Well, you're not dead yet. Go do something Townie.

[DCLXVI]

And this is why I overreacted to Vijay's mod-confirmed scum statement.

Now you guys hammered a townie because of it.

...

So you overreacted in order to avoid getting quicklynched?, but the overreacting was what lead to your lynch.

[Arugula]

No. I overreacted because I knew it could get me quicklynched.

And Axelrod, I will.

[DCLXVI]

...you don't get what I'm trying to say. Let me try to clarify something.

are both of the lines below true?

-you are saying that you were worried about being quicklynched do to vijay's claims.

-So instead of responding rationally you claim you over reacted in order to avoid a quicklynch?

[Thor665]

Can you understand what I'm trying to tell you?

I understand your answers to questions I demanded, I don't know what you're trying to tell me other than that. I think some of your answers are bad, but do explain your stance better.

What's your take on the Shadow/Bastion thing?

I hammered Thor? Sorry, buddy. I should've been more careful with my vote.

So, you were hyper concerned about the possibility of quickhammers which is why you blew up.
But you weren't concerned enough to check a vote count when you double voted me?
Not really buying that.

What's your take on Ser Panda?

[Sir Bastion]

No. I overreacted because I knew it could get me quicklynched.

And Axelrod, I will.

What?

[Ser Panda]

lol. how fence sittish of you.

Hmmm... I can't tell if you're high, really really off, or scum.

How the hell is your attack based of nothing and yet you still manage to make an argument? You're working wayyyyyyyy too hard. Taking something that is nothing and trying to make it look like something.

Your attack was crap based on us saying we think both Thor and Aru have a good chance of being scum. Sooo, how the hell is that fencesitting?

And how did you get worked up over nothing? You throw out random stuff, and then

You seriously can't be this daft?

you look like an idiot.

pissed off scum is pissed off.

Really?

We already became a scum read a little after you getting worked up?

Tell me, is that because you're the one who didn't understand and was proved wrong?

Or is it because you are scum who wants to look like he is interacting and getting scumreads, etc?

[DoomYoshi]

@thor: it could easily be a cas elf arugula bussing you or whatever. I'm not about to feel bad about it until you flip. It does suck that I don't have any more votes now though. Arugula now looks more scummy than you do, and I wish I had 2 on him but still 1 on you. Regardless of what happenede later, my votes on you are for trying to bring us down a circular logic merry-go-round where you refused to answer see panda's questions.

[Thor665]

@DoomYoshi - Scum control Executioner, therefore optimal scum play is to have, at most, one scum in the mix. I am beginning to expect stuff like that from Panda, but I'd rather not see it from others.

Your soft distancing from my wagon and indication of Arugula preference is noted though...I'm not sure why you are trying to have it noted, but it's noted.

[Thor665]

Oh, unless your theory is I'm a potent scum PR and Arugula isn't. That might work though you may still want to explain why he didn't give his potent PR scumbuddy a shot at claiming first.

[StrangerCoug]

^

Really

? Because I just pulled a scumread on you from out of nowhere, right? You basically voted us for calling Thor scummy for doing scummy things, which you yourself admit are scummy by saying "As for flip-flopping, it's typical of Thor665 to pull off shenanigans". So for pointing out something is scummy, you decide to go against us and vote us? Really awesome logic. Relying on Thor's meta and thinking that everyone should not question scummy things he does...

By calling the shenanigans "typical", I call them null, not scummy. And yes, I

DO

question them, as implied by my calling him a player I'm never certain about.

PS: Can you please name some pro-townish things you've done so far? I mean, other than fencesitting and snipping at little things here and there with not the slightest motivation at following at them?

I've been making my opinion as clear as I can make it. I think that's sufficiently townie.

But I'm curious that (and this is not just you) people putting multiple votes on someone on in rvs seemed odd, risky too.

Huh? I'm scratching my head here. Why are you making a big deal out of RVS votes?

UNVOTE: DCLXVI
VOTE: Sir Bastion

Do you really believe DCL's reason to attack shadow unjustified?

Yes.

And do you really think my reason to attack Thor unjustified?

Yes.

Are you sad Thor got hammered?

Yes. He needs to be cleared.

What about Arugula?

Arugula's lynch shouldn't cost me as much sleep as Thor's lynch. I have questions about his hammer vote.

I've voted for arugula because I think he's scum.

This is vague.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Sir Bastion (8): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, vijay2vasandani, DCLXVI, Gooner, TheShadow, TheShadow, StrangerCoug

TheShadow (7): DCLXVI, Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, Nocmen, Axelrod, Thor665
vijay2vasandani (4): Nero Cain, guille2015, Nocmen, Arugula
DoomYoshi (4): guille2015, DCLXVI, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
Ser Panda (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Quilford (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
Nero Cain (2): Nocmen, whispersilk
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Nocmen (1): Knight of Cydonia
Knight of Cydonia (1): guille2015
Gooner (1): Nero Cain

11

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, Arugula

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[guille2015]

Catching up:
Page 5.
- Gooner in post #120 summarizes my opinion for the Panda/Thor Debate. In essence it's a no win battle.
Page 6.
- I agree with DCL in #149
Page 7.
- Arugula placed Thor as a defendant. Not in agreement with how quick this came to be.
- Theshadow places arugula as a defendant. Again too quick, but I am inclined to agree with it.
Page 8.
- Bloodhound seems like a double edge sword. I agree, It's easy for scum to fake it, but it's valuable for town. I doubt it would be helpful early though.
Page 10.

I hammered Thor? Sorry, buddy. I should've been more careful with my vote.

I dont like this, so, you think Thor is town?

[guille2015]

That was an impressive weekend. It's a pitty I am very little active on weekends. I seem to have to step up my game.

I think sir Bastion needs to get more posts out.

Unvote: Knight of Cydonia
Vote: Sir Bastion

[Thor665]

Unlike that posting machine Knight of Cydonia?

[Ser Panda]

I think sir Bastion needs to get more posts out.

Pot, kettle, black?

Anyways, please be more informative of why you are voting Bastion.

No, you won't get away with throwing a shitty vote on him and then him getting lynched, regardless of what he would flip.

[guille2015]

I wanted to place bastion at L-2. My vote on KoC is of little use at the moment. If I am satisfied with Bastion's post i will remove my vote on him.

[Nero Cain]

It makes complete sense for this game.

What purpose would town have in knowing who the mafia selected?

And this is why I overreacted to Vijay's mod-confirmed scum statement. Now you guys hammered a townie because of it.

Lets just say you are town...this whole "I'M GONNA ACT SCUMMY AS HELL TO SEE WHO JUMPS ON!!!" that I see from most '11-'12 is absolutely ridiculous and I wish I could policy lynch everyone of ya'll.

lol. how fence sittish of you.

Hmmm... I can't tell if you're high, really really off, or scum.

How the hell is your attack based of nothing and yet you still manage to make an argument? You're working wayyyyyyyy too hard. Taking something that is nothing and trying to make it look like something.

Your attack was crap based on us saying we think both Thor and Aru have a good chance of being scum. Sooo, how the hell is that fencesitting?

And how did you get worked up over nothing? You throw out random stuff, and then

You seriously can't be this daft?

you look like an idiot.

pissed off scum is pissed off.

Really?

We already became a scum read a little after you getting worked up?

Tell me, is that because you're the one who didn't understand and was proved wrong?

Or is it because you are scum who wants to look like he is interacting and getting scumreads, etc?

lol. If anyone is getting worked up its ya'll. My attack is

NOT

based on you guys thinkin' that Arg/Thor are scum (though I think its scummy fencesitting) The attack is based on one of your heads deflecting Thor's question. Sayin' "OH BUT LOOK I'M ON THE OTHER WAGON TOO!!!." is extremly cheeky. Its minimal and derpy. Then was the time to say "oh I think they are both scum so I'm happy with Thor as a defendent." Saying "I'm on the other wagon." is

NOT

.

[Scott Brosius]

I'm for a judge claim, since it gives us a confirmed town. But don't claim unless you're close to hammer.

That fence sitting can't be comfortable, I think we should help ease your suffering.

VOTE: TheShadow

First thing that caught my eye as well sifting through all the judge talk. Disagree with those defending it. It's a completely empty statement that offers nothing. Don't like the initial wagon on DCL. Then Shadow returns to the thread just to let the mod know he didn't tally his votes.

UNVOTE: Vijay
VOTE: Sir Bastion

Hopping on the easy wagon without a word.

@Ser Panda - what's your Bastion case again, I forgot?

Oh?

You're double voting the guy.

Why should you care about my reasons for voting the guy?

Unvote Strangercoug

Vote Thor

Excellent point. Like the Thor wagon

Nothing of note for a few pages, don't really have a strong opinion about Arugula.

Quilford looks a lot better than Bastion in their exchange.

Bastion's immediate unvote after Shadow's claim reeks of scum. Scum will immediately believe any claim (since they know it is probably not a fakeclaim). The claim makes sense, and could excuse the weird play of Shadow. I'll buy it for now.

guille's recent posts are pretty bad, preemptively fencesitting on Bastion and the hypocrisy that Panda pointed out.

Vote: Sir Bastion

L-1

Vote: guille2015

Vote: guille2015

[DCLXVI]

UNVOTE: bastion

we don't need an idiot to come in and hammer without reading the thread.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Sir Bastion (9): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, vijay2vasandani, Gooner, TheShadow, TheShadow, StrangerCoug, guille2015, Scott Brosius

TheShadow (7): DCLXVI, Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, Nocmen, Axelrod, Thor665
vijay2vasandani (4): Nero Cain, guille2015, Nocmen, Arugula
DoomYoshi (4): guille2015, DCLXVI, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
Ser Panda (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Quilford (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
Nero Cain (2): Nocmen, whispersilk
guille2015 (2): Scott Brosius, Scott Brosius
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Nocmen (1): Knight of Cydonia
Gooner (1): Nero Cain

9

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, Arugula

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[Ser Panda]

^

Really

? Because I just pulled a scumread on you from out of nowhere, right? You basically voted us for calling Thor scummy for doing scummy things, which you yourself admit are scummy by saying "As for flip-flopping, it's typical of Thor665 to pull off shenanigans". So for pointing out something is scummy, you decide to go against us and vote us? Really awesome logic. Relying on Thor's meta and thinking that everyone should not question scummy things he does...

By calling the shenanigans "typical", I call them null, not scummy. And yes, I

DO

question them, as implied by my calling him a player I'm never certain about.

Ok, so you're bascially relying on Thor meta to super hardcore buddy him and say that everyone is stupid for suspecting him? Cool.

And do you really think my reason to attack Thor unjustified?

Yes.

Well, what if some of us are not so much invested in Thor-meta, and think he is scummy for doing what he did regardless of his past? Why do you believe the attack is unjustified when you yourself must rely on Thor meta to say it is "typical" for him to "pull off shenanigans"?

[Nero Cain]

unvote: gooner vote:shadow

@ScoBro-It looks to me like you are lightly attacking Shadow. Why are you not voting him?

[guille2015]

I think sir Bastion needs to get more posts out.

Pot, kettle, black?

Anyways, please be more informative of why you are voting Bastion.

No, you won't get away with throwing a shitty vote on him and then him getting lynched, regardless of what he would flip.

It is quite simple. I think pressure should be added on him.

Sorry, I Don't have really good reads on anybody at the moment. Mostly because I had to speed read 9 pages of posts. Bastion has been the only one other than Arugula who has given me some gut reads.

What I would like to hear from Bastion are his reads on the other players, and what he thinks of those that are pushing his wagon, and those that have pushed Thor's and Arugula's Wagons.