Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[guille2015]

unvote: gooner vote:shadow

@ScoBro-It looks to me like you are lightly attacking Shadow. Why are you not voting him?

Why are you voting for shadow?

[Nero Cain]

I think he's scum.

[Arugula]

I don't think Thor is town, but I still didn't want to quicklynch him. I didn't mean to do it, but if you don't believe me, fine.

I wasn't purposely trying to act scummy to see who hops on my wagon. I overreacted to Vijay because I knew things like that put votes on people. Obviously, I shouldn't have overreacted, but I don't think anything I say is going to convince you guys I'm town.

[guille2015]

I find the shadow's role useful for town. I do not think it is wise to select him today.

[DCLXVI]

I find the shadow's role useful for town.

it has a 1 out of 17 chance of finding out who is the executioner. Can you clarify on how that is "useful"

[StrangerCoug]

Ok, so you're bascially relying on Thor meta to super hardcore buddy him and say that everyone is stupid for suspecting him? Cool.

Show me where I am attacking anyone other than you for being suspicious of Thor.

Well, what if some of us are not so much invested in Thor-meta, and think he is scummy for doing what he did regardless of his past? Why do you believe the attack is unjustified when you yourself must rely on Thor meta to say it is "typical" for him to "pull off shenanigans"?

My stated reason for voting you is because you acted like Thor should not care about what other people think, which is patently false. If you think the "shenanigans" are scummy, then you think the "shenanigans" are scummy. Disagreeing with me is a null tell and I can understand how people who either are unfamiliar with or do not care about Thor's meta thinks what he has done is scummy.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Sir Bastion (9): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, vijay2vasandani, Gooner, TheShadow, TheShadow, StrangerCoug, guille2015, Scott Brosius

TheShadow (8): DCLXVI, Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, Nocmen, Axelrod, Thor665, Nero Cain
vijay2vasandani (4): Nero Cain, guille2015, Nocmen, Arugula
DoomYoshi (4): guille2015, DCLXVI, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
Ser Panda (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Quilford (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
Nero Cain (2): Nocmen, whispersilk
guille2015 (2): Scott Brosius, Scott Brosius
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Nocmen (1): Knight of Cydonia

9

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, Arugula

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[guille2015]

1 in 17 chance if he selects randomly. However, the idea is to try to attempt to guess what mafia will chose. That would increase the chances of a hit. I agree the first couple of days, would have him mostly missing. But later, better guesses would have a hit or two. He could be valuable later in the game. Mafia would probably not want him alive by then. And yeas, I agree that he could be mafia faking results. But I don't think it's as easy as you might think.

[Scott Brosius]

unvote: gooner vote:shadow

@ScoBro-It looks to me like you are lightly attacking Shadow. Why are you not voting him?

I was planning on using two votes on him during my catchup, but the claim seems plausible. It somewhat explains his attempt to blend in behavior. I don't feel he's a good candidate for today, but since his role is out there now, he has no reason to continue playing lurky and unhelpful.

[WrathChild]

I'm done with work for today but I noticed something that I'll throw out there before I go:

"The Executioner is like the Judge, except chosen by the Mafia every night. They can be of any alignment, but not a defendant, and will not flip as such."

Why would knowing who the executioner was be helpful to the town? Since it does not dictate alignment in anyway, town should 100% claim if they were the Executioner the previous night and take responsibility for their decision.

[Sir Bastion]

Bastion's immediate unvote after Shadow's claim reeks of scum. Scum will immediately believe any claim (since they know it is probably not a fakeclaim). The claim makes sense, and could excuse the weird play of Shadow. I'll buy it for now.

any comments on explanation for the unvote?

Or would you prefer to keep 2 pages behind the game?


My thoughts on my wagon

Thor665 Well we all know why this is here, it was rvs originally but stuck as some read...of what I never got to fully respond to, I think it was the accusation of me cheerleading from DCI, which really I have little defence of, I disagreed with the judge revealing and DCI made a better case as for why then me. I dont think thor's scum though he was one of those players who double voted in RVS (which still bugs me) I think the circle logic sink he got sucked into would have resolved itself if he was given time. leaning town



Teleporting Speed Hippos: I forget his case...oh wait it's RVS, aside from which he has not posted enough for any real comment. null


vijay2vasandani: RVS too and same lack of posting. null

Gooner: is voting for pressure by the looks of it, but he gave balanced discussion on the should we auto lynch or not and was straight about his vote on me and shadow, leaning town.

TheShadow, TheShadow: Feels very scummy, but we've had two quick lynches all ready and nine votes are still in the open, I rather hear a defense before I consider putting him up for hammer.

StrangerCoug: seems far to sensible and willing to discuss to also put a player within hammering range so also feels lightly scummy. his vote on me doesnt fit with his willingness to discuss issues.

guille2015: bwahahahahahahahaa...I'm sorry the pot kettle black comment is so fitting. What would you like me to give more posts on?


Scott Brosius 2 posts is not a lot to go on but putting someone at l-1 is dodgy, especially the way this game has gone.

[Thor665]

I find the shadow's role useful for town. I do not think it is wise to select him today.

I'll wade in on this one even deeper.
1/17 for hitting Executioner.
No assurance that even if hit it means...anything.
Basically he's like a jailkeeper - only his past results mean nothing and a correct result means town or scum...and he can't block anything.
Also known as - about as useful as a VT with half a brain.

I think sir Bastion needs to get more posts out.

Pot, kettle, black?

Anyways, please be more informative of why you are voting Bastion.

No, you won't get away with throwing a Smurfy vote on him and then him getting lynched, regardless of what he would flip.

Pot, kettle, black?

Trolololol.

But, yeah, other than that I agree...but then again I already said as much and asked him about it and you're echoing me, so I figured mocking was the only option left available.

Show me where I am attacking anyone other than you for being suspicious of Thor.

See, that's an interesting bit to me. Ser Panda has, in my opinion thus far, shown a logic that I find questionable. he also defended bad logic with more bad logic and actually got up into people's faces about it. Now, maybe he's just hyper aggressive scum with a 'tude and all, but my current read is simply town with bad cases.

Converesly there are people *sheeping* his logic, and the logic doesn't hold up because it's based on false info (look at Scott or Arugula and their approaches thereupon - Arugula I even called out on it)

But you have nothing there for them?

What's the difference here?

[Thor665]

Oh, and I forgot, at some point in the game Shadow's role becomes useless...basically right at the point it would theoretically become - any good at all.

[Sir Bastion]

1/17 for hitting Executioner.
No assurance that even if hit it means...anything.
Basically he's like a jailkeeper - only his past results mean nothing and a correct result means town or scum...and he can't block anything.
Also known as - about as useful as a VT with half a brain.

...

Ok I have tended to blame my phone for a lot of mistakes I've made this game, but this one you can just christian me the thread dunce or a boob or some term to signify how much of an idiot I am.

I completely misread Shadow's claim. I genuinely thought he said his power was to pick a player and if that player was

sent

to the executioner then he'd learn who the executioner was. A sort of reverse tracker. That's why I thought he'd be useful to protect strong players who got lynched from being sent to the executioner, as scum wouldnt want the risk of shadow tagging a long and finding out who the executioner is (which was what I sort of said here

When I saw the 1 out 17 comment I was really confused and went back and reread.

I feel like an idiot and can understand now why it looks like a near useless power role and a possible scum fake claim.

Considering that anyone willing to put in a double vote now is the equivilent of hammering i'm putting my vote back on

vote: theShadow

putting you at L-2.

[Thor665]

I might put my vote in there, but I wouldn't want to deny the high five club from trying to help with a semi-decent lynch so as not to look so scummy.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

Sir Bastion (9): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, vijay2vasandani, Gooner, TheShadow, TheShadow, StrangerCoug, guille2015, Scott Brosius
TheShadow (9): DCLXVI, Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, Nocmen, Axelrod, Thor665, Nero Cain, Sir Bastion

vijay2vasandani (4): Nero Cain, guille2015, Nocmen, Arugula
DoomYoshi (4): guille2015, DCLXVI, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
Ser Panda (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Quilford (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
Nero Cain (2): Nocmen, whispersilk
guille2015 (2): Scott Brosius, Scott Brosius
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Nocmen (1): Knight of Cydonia

9

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, Arugula

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[Nocmen]

The question he should be asking is "because I think Arugula is scum and Arugula just quickhammered thor, shouldn't thor be town?"

And the answer is Both of them should be killed to find out.

But I think that's a bit too roundabout. Killing both is an ineffecive solution.

Shadow's claim: I see it as a plausible role, albeit useless. Making it a pretty good fake claim

Arugula seems a bit too much like a playstyle shift since the hammers were dropped on him and Thor. I dislike that a lot.

guille seems trying a bit too hard to make Shadow's claim not useless.

Unvote: Nero
Unvote: vijay
Vote: guille
Vote: shadow

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

TheShadow (10): DCLXVI, Axelrod, Gooner, Gooner, Nocmen, Axelrod, Thor665, Nero Cain, Sir Bastion, Nocmen

Sir Bastion (9): Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, vijay2vasandani, Gooner, TheShadow, TheShadow, StrangerCoug, guille2015, Scott Brosius
DoomYoshi (4): guille2015, DCLXVI, Mastermind of Sin, Mastermind of Sin
vijay2vasandani (3): Nero Cain, guille2015, Nocmen, Arugula
guille2015 (3): Scott Brosius, Scott Brosius, Nero Cain
Ser Panda (2): StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
Quilford (2): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion
Nero Cain (1): whispersilk
DCLXVI (1): whispersilk
Nocmen (1): Knight of Cydonia

9

votes are currently not on a player.

Arugula (11): Quilford, vijay2vasandani, vijay2vasandani, Thor665, Teleporting Speed Hippos, Teleporting Speed Hippos, DoomYoshi, Ser Panda, Nero Cain, Nero Cain, TheShadow
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, Arugula

Every player has

3

votes.
With

21

alive, it's

11

to hammer.
There are

63

votes in play,

22

of which are frozen, leaving

41

votes active.

Deadline is August 11th, 3 a.m. CEST.

[Thor665]

Unvote: Sir Bastion
Vote: Nocmen

Pedit: sorry Ice

[DoomYoshi]

Thanks for the opportunity thor, but I am tending towards belief with the shadow, based mainly on his claim, which I see as a realistic claim. Nocmen ignored my last response. Does that mean you are conceding the point?

[Knight of Cydonia]

V/LA from now through Saturday.

[Ser Panda]

FAKE-VOTE: SC

FAKE-VOTE: Nero

Shit, too many scummy people, and too many people trying to appear helpful.

Gooner's whole ISO is crap. Seriously, 90% of that is mechanic discussion. Tryingtoappearactivemuch?

I think Nero might seriously come here after the bar or something.

Already expressed why I think SC is scum. He is basically fencesitting and snipping from the sidelines here and there with no seeming to motivation to actually continue on. And his Bastion vote and hardcore buddying of Thor are real things of beauty.

Gullie, please stop acting so scummy. Like, throwing random baseless crap in the air.

TSH, you're a hydra. It's already going to be hard to actually get a read on you, please try putting more thoughts out there...

v2v, love the effort bro. You have 2 votes on Aru with nothing but "Mod-confirmed scum" and now you have a camped on vote from RVS on Bastion.

Nero, why are you afraid to hammer Shadow if you think he's scum, and what's a vote on Gullie gonna do, with only 1 lynch left?

Axelrod looks good right now, and DCLXVI and KoC to a lesser extent. And I like WrathChild’s last post.

[TheShadow]

Alright..
UNVOTE: SirBastion
UNVOTE: SirBastion

From what I'm seeing now that I've had time for a proper read is the wagon on me appears to be based mainly on a misinterpretation of my comments on the Judge claim issue.

To clarify what I meant:
I am in favor of a Judge claim, since it would give us a confirmed townie.
But I agree with others' comments that day 1 is too soon unless he finds himself at L-1/L-2.

My stated intent to hammer Arugula, and then a few hours later dropping said hammer, was based mainly on the scummy nature of his Thor hammer. I understand this in turn made me appear scummy, but not much I can do about that.

I agree with the comments about the weak nature of my PR, and that it's not likely to be useful night 1 and probably not night 2.
We're into "outguess the mod" territory here. I suspect it's intended as a weak cop, based on the fact that the Mafia is almost certain to name one of their number Executioner, resulting in a caught scum if I get lucky.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't understand why Thor got lynched. I'm willing to run up anyone who placed two votes on him to push that through.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: Ser Panda