Mini 1350: Spartacus Blood and Sand Mafia Day 2

[MattP]

There should be votes on Dan and PV right now.

Unvote1

Vote: ActionDan

[MattP]

Actually, in defense of action, he hasn't even been online since the thread opened. He didn't post at all though during the last three RL days of Day 1

[MattP]

Yeah, this vote doesn't serve what I want it to

Unvote1

He'll post when he gets back.

Vote1 Drmyshotgun

Messiah, PV is scum. His claim today sucked. D3f is VI, vote PV, look at my case on him.

[Messiah]

What's the scum motivation for his claim? It doesn't do anything for him.

[MattP]

Oh wow 511 is really terrible, I forgot how shitty his reasoning was for being ok with my lynch too.

A lot of what Dan says is said to look productive, like telling Def, his scumread, to vote his counterwagon, just weird.

pedit: Looks emotionally charged and an unconfirmable roleclaim that would not garner a scum NK on him due to the current usefulness of his role. The "I would have had power had Phil been alive" is feeding more into the uselessness of his role.

[Messiah]

I don't disagree. It was an absolutely terrible claim, and the way he did it was awkward. He basically let the scum know he was a VT, which is a very anti-town thing to do. I'm not sure I understand you though. Are you saying he made the claim as a way to justify why he isn't going to be night killed later?

[MattP]

I don't disagree. It was an absolutely terrible claim, and the way he did it was awkward. He basically let the scum know he was a VT, which is a very anti-town thing to do. I'm not sure I understand you though. Are you saying he made the claim as a way to justify why he isn't going to be night killed later?

I can see him not being NKd and defending it by saying he is not a good NK target due to his role. It's a secondary reason for why he could have fakeclaimed as scum.

[MattP]

It's a good scumclaim all around

[Messiah]

Right. I get that it's a fairly safe claim to make in a game with no role flips. If you'll entertain my question again: The night kill bit is a secondary scum motivation for him to make that claim, but what is the primary

motivation

? What does hypo-scum Peregrine think he's going to gain from this?

[MattP]

Right. I get that it's a fairly safe claim to make in a game with no role flips. If you'll entertain my question again: The night kill bit is a secondary scum motivation for him to make that claim, but what is the primary

motivation

? What does hypo-scum Peregrine think he's going to gain from this?

His primary motivation is that he is claiming an un-counterclaimed pseudo-PR...ok, there isn't strong reasoning that points at it being a good scum move, but there are reasons why it would be a decent move. There is no town motivation for what he did

[Messiah]

Right. I get that it's a fairly safe claim to make in a game with no role flips. If you'll entertain my question again: The night kill bit is a secondary scum motivation for him to make that claim, but what is the primary

motivation

? What does hypo-scum Peregrine think he's going to gain from this?

His primary motivation is that he is claiming an un-counterclaimed pseudo-PR...ok, there isn't strong reasoning that points at it being a good scum move, but there are reasons why it would be a decent move. There is no town motivation for what he did

Everything you say in this post is true, but we have to work through the players in the order that we perceive is the most likely to root out the scum as quickly as possible. For me that means starting with D3f3nd3r, at least until a time when no one else wants to wagon him. I'll be damned if he isn't fighting to keep his head at the end of the day.

[MattP]

Messiah, would you leave a claimed Miller in lylo?

[Messiah]

Never.

[MattP]

This is good. This is very good.

[Apple Jack]

this is why I hate millers, we have obviously scummy people who deserve to be lynched today, and people are still talking about the miller claim...

[MattP]

Ok! I have made a decision.

UNVOTE1

I'll stfu about him for today

Vote1: ActionDan

[Messiah]

There's a reason that Lynch All Millers made it's way into the site meta, Derpy. I see you registered about four years too late to catch it, though.

[Apple Jack]

I guess I never heard that policy...

[Apple Jack]

ebwop - I did play in a game once where the miller helped town win the game, so there is that....

such a shame shotty isn't capable of playing like that

I wouldn't mind lynching shotty to test the claim, but it just feels like a policy lynch. there are others way scummier who have a greater chance to flip scum.

[MattP]

ebwop - I did play in a game once where the miller helped town win the game, so there is that....

such a shame shotty isn't capable of playing like that

I wouldn't mind lynching shotty to test the claim, but it just feels like a policy lynch. there are others way scummier who have a greater chance to flip scum.

Sooo we lynch them first and worry about dr later, but I want to know that if I die that people will be pushing for a dr lynch

[MattP]

Derpy, I want your reads btw

[D3f3nd3r]

Below, you see the question you directed at me and the four times I found Pine in your analysis, the last time being on Page 10, which was 19-20 RL days ago.

Page by Page Analysis

3D - re: Pine saying that DerpyHooves' reactions to his weird wagon are scummy and justify leaving his RVS vote there, I totally disagree. This reeks of scum being lazy.

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5C - Pine pretending to contribute.

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6A - Not even pretending now. We're late enough in the game that there should be no tolerance for the kind of garbage that Pine and D3f3nd3r are shoving down our throats.

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10A - Does anyone have Pine meta? Is he usually this awful?

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11C - @D3f3nd3r: If you really are lurking just because you don't think you're a very good player(I don't buy this at all, in any case. You immediately appeared to be a better player by attempting to contribute in this and future posts.), please stop. Irregardless of the "is lurking scummy" debate it's still anti-town at best.

Reg. 11C: I lurk because I'm not good at scumhunting. I try, but I fail. If you really study the below meta, you'll see.

Messiah, you mention a wagon on Pine, but say nothing after 10C about him. After thinking he was "this awful," why did you ignore him. As of now, what is your read on him?

FYI, I have Pine meta from NY 152 (4-4-8 Nightless, Pine was town, I was Red Scum). Lots of people found him as scum until he was lynched D12.

[MattP]

Messiah, you mention a wagon on Pine, but say nothing after 10C about him. After thinking he was "this awful," why did you ignore him. As of now, what is your read on him?

He had a scum read on pine but then a town read on me.

[Apple Jack]

Derpy, I want your reads btw

I gave my reads day 1, not much has changed. What specifically do you want?

[MattP]

I gave my reads day 1, not much has changed. What specifically do you want?

What I want is my business, but if they haven't changed that answers my question