Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[Thor665]

Yes, in the minute chance he happens to hit executioner there is little meaning to what that says unless he manages to hit Executioner on a nightthat scum both picked one of their own *and* decided to lie about it and/or do something with it that was provably scummy.

The "best" I see for it is a very limp-wristed threat to scum to occasionally pick town Executioners.

Worst I see - is that it's a scum fakeclaim that will let him cruise deeper into the game than he deserves.

Neither one really deserves consideration on whether he is a good lynch suspect.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I disagree. Why would we, on Day 1, eliminate what is potentially (for all we know) the only role that exists as a deterrent to all Executioners being scum?

Why the FUCK would you want that, Thor?

[DCLXVI]

The last time I avoided lynching someone cause they had a claim that was very weak and fit nicely with the flavor they flipped ended up being scum. Not falling for that again.

Honestly, it is best to lynch scummy players for being scummy. There aren't many situations that justify NOT lynching a pr claim if the player is acting very scummy.

UNVOTE: theshadow He still is the person who most deserves to hang right now, but ending the day this early when quite a few players have not had a chance to contribute is not going to help us. Not going to give him the chance to selfhammer at the moment.

VOTE: bastion He is still scummy, I only unvoted him earlier because like with shadow, it doesn't appear safe to leave people at L-1 now days.

VOTE: doomyoshi I approve of this wagon.

Yeah, I'd be fine with seeing either shadow, bastion, or yoshi get lynched sometime later today.
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@mos, what is your read on shadow, not on his claim, but on his play. Do you find his play today townish or scummy?

@shadow, who are the scum on your wagon, who are the town on your wagon.

[Knight of Cydonia]

UNVOTE: theshadow He still is the person who most deserves to hang right now, but ending the day this early when quite a few players have not had a chance to contribute is not going to help us. Not going to give him the chance to selfhammer at the moment.

You just hammered him. After stating that ending the day this early "is not going to help us."
Am I the only one seeing the logical disconnect here?

[Knight of Cydonia]

UNVOTE: theshadow He still is the person who most deserves to hang right now, but ending the day this early when quite a few players have not had a chance to contribute is not going to help us. Not going to give him the chance to selfhammer at the moment.

You just hammered him. After stating that ending the day this early "is not going to help us."
Am I the only one seeing the logical disconnect here?

...and I can't read. I plead "4am and unable to sleep because painkillers aren't working". Or the 5th. Whatever works.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I haven't read his posts in depth, DCLXVI. I find absolutely no need to do so given the fact that his very role justifies the setup's existence and pulls it all together. What would be the point of having an Executioner who could never be identified be appointed by scum when you could just say that the scum get to execute/save a person of their choice and then send the other two to the judge and jury? The mere fact that the Executioner *could* be town justifies the existence of a role that forces the scum to think about whether they want to nominate one of their own to be Executioner. Otherwise it would be a no-brainer and the setup itself would be rather bland.

P-Edit: I don't think KoC knows what *unvote* means.

[Thor665]

I disagree. Why would we, on Day 1, eliminate what is potentially (for all we know) the only role that exists as a deterrent to all Executioners being scum?

Why the SMURF would you want that, Thor?

1. It's not really a deterrent.
2. Because the player in the slot that claimed said role looks scummy.

Just because someone claims a role that might be, if you squint, slightly useful, doesn't mean you are supposed to give them a no lynch pass for over half the game regardless of what they're doing.

If you think he looks town, fine, call the lynch stupid and carry on.
If you think he looks scum, lynch away.

But don't change your opinion because of him claiming a weak role of nothingness. That's the point.

UNVOTE: theshadow He still is the person who most deserves to hang right now, but ending the day this early when quite a few players have not had a chance to contribute is not going to help us. Not going to give him the chance to selfhammer at the moment.

[Thor665]

@MoS - the basis of the setup is a role that is highly unlikely to even work?

[DCLXVI]

I haven't read his posts in depth, DCLXVI. I find absolutely no need to do so given the fact that his very role justifies the setup's existence and pulls it all together.

WTF?

It is a role that starts off with a 1/17 (roughly 5.8%) chance of working and doesn't get much better. And you say that it "pulls it all together."

[Mastermind of Sin]

Honestly, I question whether you really understand how setup design works.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Either of you.

[Thor665]

I dunno, if we flip all three people for two days in a row then the chance of spooting the Exe goes to a nice 9% chance or so...pretty sweet, really.

Of course, by that point I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to have a jury anymore, since there won't be enough people, and therefore we won't have an Executioner anymore either.

But, yeah, the role pulls it ALL together. You should probably shut up before you look dumb DC - go back to suggesting that you need to unvote a scum read for fear he'll self hammer, that makes more sense.

[Mastermind of Sin]

So glad you aren't as dumb as I thought you were

[DoomYoshi]

I don't think I am hammered...

Anyways, I was wrong about my case on Thor. I guess this is the problem with double votes, the hammer is already dropped before the case is over.

I understand MoS saying the role makes sense, and I have believed the role since the beginning. I notice shadow went from suicidal to yoshi stomping though.

[Mastermind of Sin]

You have 9 votes by my count, ScumYoshi.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I don't think I am hammered...

Anyways, I was wrong about my case on Thor. I guess this is the problem with double votes, the hammer is already dropped before the case is over.

I understand MoS saying the role makes sense, and I have believed the role since the beginning. I notice shadow went from suicidal to yoshi stomping though.

• Make shitty case
  
• Pursue shitty case
  
• Run away from it as soon as people start calling you on it

I got bad news son, the 4th item on that list sure as fuck ain't "everyone forgets and we go play in the fields and put daisies and shit in each other's hair".

[DoomYoshi]

You have 9 votes by my count, ScumYoshi.

I mean that Thor is already hammered.

[DoomYoshi]

Anyways, KoC, I am pretty sure I will be lynched today. I was almost expecting it as a noob. So, thanks for the news, but it isn't much of an update.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Any time, sweetcheeks.

[Thor665]

@KoC - seriously now, the case is a Smurfy case?

You went with he case too - cuddle-butt, what do you think about it at this stage?

[DoomYoshi]

Good question Thor. You have two votes on the hammer... Did you run from the shitty case too then? Do you expect the same step 4? Why or why not?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't think I am hammered....

I mean that Thor is already hammered.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok MoS. I thought you were replying to line 2 of 388, but you were replying to line 1.

[RedPanda]

My man crush on Thor aside, I think he asked a resonable question. Your "I'm on the other wagon!!!" is NOT "oh but I think both slots are scum." Yeah this slot is scum.

I'd like to know what you think the difference is

[Ser Panda]

My man crush on Thor aside, I think he asked a resonable question. Your "I'm on the other wagon!!!" is NOT "oh but I think both slots are scum." Yeah this slot is scum.

I'd like to know what you think the difference is

Why are you ignoring my request?

This was my other head.
I Understand why you're suspecting me. Its just that you aren't looking at stuff leading after that event.