Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[BK201]

>Follow RBD in this game
>3 PRs die

>Follow UberNinja in Open 408
>Every scum member gets lynched in the first 3 days

I'm sorry but I like UberNinja's track record. RBD's plan might work still because we got lucky and picked out so many PRs.

>Follow RBD in this game.
>Scum pinned down to a very select group.

I like how you're using Uber as an excuse though. With RBD it was about PoEing the scum with the set-up. Do I have to link a game someone showed me where Uber was endgamed? If you really think Uber is so good you should sheep him when he doesn't even have a reason to why I'm scum, then you've got to be scum.

[UberNinja]

That post makes my head hurt, BK.

Don't make any more of those.

p-edit: Not that one, the one above it.

[Bitmap]

@BK: You're funny. You do realize the reason we might win this is because we got lucky with all the PRs, right? If we only were to get 3-4 PRs, this strategy would of been really bad. Uber's using logic which I prefer instead of PoE which would of failed if we weren't this lucky.

[BK201]

Bit, what parts of Uber's logic do you agree with, regarding me. Quotes plz.

[UberNinja]

@BK: You're funny. You do realize the reason we might win this is because we got lucky with all the PRs, right? If we only were to get 3-4 PRs, this strategy would of been really bad. Uber's using logic which I prefer instead of PoE which would of failed if we weren't this lucky.

I use a lot of PoE too, for the record

[Bitmap]

@BK: You're funny. You do realize the reason we might win this is because we got lucky with all the PRs, right? If we only were to get 3-4 PRs, this strategy would of been really bad. Uber's using logic which I prefer instead of PoE which would of failed if we weren't this lucky.

I use a lot of PoE too, for the record

PoE mixed with logic. That's different from pure PoE.

[Bitmap]

Bit, what parts of Uber's logic do you agree with, regarding me. Quotes plz.

Everything. But I know either DLG or Greywing is scum.

[Bitmap]

Moar awesome Townmap plays.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22640

[Rainbowdash]

@BK: You're funny. You do realize the reason we might win this is because we got lucky with all the PRs, right? If we only were to get 3-4 PRs, this strategy would of been really bad. Uber's using logic which I prefer instead of PoE which would of failed if we weren't this lucky.

If we only had a few PRs we wouldnt have had as much scum power to be dealing with and we would be in good shape. Even with a high number of power there is so much protective ability around that its difficult for scum to do anything or get caught by doing something that would otherwise be impossible.

I was *that* close to voting UN here but this new vote isnt something I was expecting and want to go read some more.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Actually reading RBD and BK's interactions on this page have made me think BK's town against all odds including sanity.

Vote: DLG

He is my biggest VT townread. Explain.

[Rainbowdash]

Hey UN... make some noise when you are on or something. I want a back and forth in somewhat real time because if you are town and we mislynch today... no hope left.

I should be around-ish for the next couple hours.

[DLG]

"I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs."

Hmmm, this is just going to have to be something for everyone else to consider and decide on. There doesn't seem to be any definitive way to settle this.

But, that doesn't answer for the early Day 1 fight. Why are you avoiding

that

and trying to shift focus onto late Day stuff?

Reactions. Bitmap and Greywing, specifically.

Here's what I'm getting at. BK201's vote on Bitmap destroyed that wagon. If you believe BK201 is scum, why would he blow-up a wagon on Town!Bitmap like that?

If it was posted between my final post and inte's lynch, it was because I was not around.

Sarcastic deflection noted. It wasn't. Now, why did you ignore it?

[drmyshotgun]

I don't know DLG's alignment, but I sure don't think DoubleJD would have hid behind him.

[Rainbowdash]

I see you online UN. Got 30 minutes or so for an AIM-esq exchange here?

[BK201]

"I was still deciding whether or not his story was bs."

Hmmm, this is just going to have to be something for everyone else to consider and decide on. There doesn't seem to be any definitive way to settle this.

But, that doesn't answer for the early Day 1 fight. Why are you avoiding

that

and trying to shift focus onto late Day stuff?

What do you want to drag out about early inte/bk fight? What?

Fixed quote tag. ~~NS

[BK201]

^ broke tag

[UberNinja]

I see you online UN. Got 30 minutes or so for an AIM-esq exchange here?

I was updating my modded game which just transitioned into a new day, so that took a little while.

I'll be back on in about 20-30 minutes. Go ahead and ask all your questions/make your points, so I can come back and have something to do.

[Rainbowdash]

Well my big three things that I want to discuss with you are

1) Your case on BK
2) The fact that you seem to think that there is one scum in the doctors
3) Your new case on DGL

I would rather have this be more of a back and forth Q&A... but if you want to write something breif on each of them first im fine with that and it may be useful for 2 and 3.

[Rainbowdash]

Also im gone at about 6 (or at least have a high chance of being gone) so hopefully we can get this going soon. Equestria and your place share timezones so we match up well there.

[BK201]

I loved rainbow as town for giving me hypohide...then she was like "lets all claim right diddy meow" and i was like "huh", but ya shes probably town.

Unfortunately he might have hid behind RBD. This is before Inte's flip, which apparently incriminates RBD and myself since we called him out for asking DJD to state who he hides behind, when he could have just tracked him. In short, not thinking like a tracker b/c he wasn't one.

Im gonna continue that line of reasoning, so people see why alarm bells just went off in my head.

If only 4 pr claims are true, than there's three scum among {Bit, near, dms, jf, djd, inte, ms}. I just dont see that.

That means at least 1 of the VT claims is a lie.

Take the two together, and you get 1/6 > 1/7, and more reason to keep potential pr's alive than potential vt's.

Given the choice, scum would want us to mislynch a power role instead of a vt. Given little time/thought, scum would claim vt instead of a powerrole that could get them trapped (a worstcase scenario if we only had a few roles).

DLG, why arent you scum?

Bolded that. DJD wouldn't have hid behind DLG.

hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm VOTE: rach

DJD wouldn't have hid behind Rach.

I highly doubt he actually used random.org to decide.

[BK201]

DLG you should give your reads on everyone else and your others thoughts on the game. Tunneling on me isn't going to cut it.

[drmyshotgun]

I loved rainbow as town for giving me hypohide...then she was like "lets all claim right diddy meow" and i was like "huh", but ya shes probably town.

Unfortunately he might have hid behind RBD. This is before Inte's flip, which apparently incriminates RBD and myself since we called him out for asking DJD to state who he hides behind, when he could have just tracked him. In short, not thinking like a tracker b/c he wasn't one.

Im gonna continue that line of reasoning, so people see why alarm bells just went off in my head.

If only 4 pr claims are true, than there's three scum among {Bit, near, dms, jf, djd, inte, ms}. I just dont see that.

That means at least 1 of the VT claims is a lie.

Take the two together, and you get 1/6 > 1/7, and more reason to keep potential pr's alive than potential vt's.

Given the choice, scum would want us to mislynch a power role instead of a vt. Given little time/thought, scum would claim vt instead of a powerrole that could get them trapped (a worstcase scenario if we only had a few roles).

DLG, why arent you scum?

Bolded that. DJD wouldn't have hid behind DLG.

hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm VOTE: rach

DJD wouldn't have hid behind Rach.

I highly doubt he actually used random.org to decide.

Parroting what I said.

[Rainbowdash]

@DMS - Just making sure... you are still voting me because you think DJD might have hid behind me. If you are going to chime in with the "oh the claim stuff" im just going to laugh because im sure you are going to call youself town... and that means that unless you are about to try and argue that there is a SK or there are two fakeclaiming mafia in the rest of the doctor claims... I basically broke this game. Four protective roles alive and scum have at most two of RB/Drive/Strong which are their only counters?

Unless a SK reveals themselves there are either two scum in JF-DMS-Bit-Near (unlikely) or all scum are in VTs. And if all scum are in the VTs... its basically a forced win outside of mislynching twice in a row. So unless you think there is a SK (do you?) my "horrible plan" as UN called it basically gave us a forced win.

There is a way scum can get to JF tonight but im not going to reveal it for obvious reasons. After that though worst they can do assuming no SK is to get rid of one doctor leaving it with either two scum as doctors trying to ride it out or two town doctors...

So worst case we have a VT-VT-VT-doc claim-doc claim endgame with either both docs or two VT claims being scum. So no SK and we basically have it wrapped up and the question simply becomes how fast do we have it wrapped up. Unless you think there is a SK.

So please... where am I scum outside of rampant speculation about a player who EXPLICITLY said that they were going to randomly hide did. I mean heck, if he hid intentionally it was probably behind RM because thats what inte told him to do and lets face it, confirming mislynch bait as town is better than confirming somepony who can more likely prove themselves over time naturally as town.

[drmyshotgun]

Who's scum then?

[Rainbowdash]

Who's scum then?

That the million bit question isnt it? Its why I want to get a diloauge with UN because I think I can pin down scum if I can pin down what he is.

Best I can come up with right now is "Not RM" so im pretty much looking at a UN-BK-DGL-Grey group.