Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 2.05

(unchanged)

Greywing - 4 - JohnnyFarrar, drmyshotgun, Bitmap, BK201
RachMarie - 1 - Greywing

Not Voting: Rainbowdash, RachMarie, Near, DLG, UberNinja

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-20 01:16:26)

[UberNinja]

Also stop saying "maybe town" for JF. He IS town unless you seriously are going to try and sell that we have a SK and two of DMS/Near/Bit are scum, at least one of those with him.

This is the kind of stuff I need to hear, Mr. All-knowing Mass-Claim Orchestrator.

So based on what you know, what are the possibilities for who's lying?

i.e. Either A, B are lying, or C is lying.

Ready set go.

[Rainbowdash]

So based on what you know, what are the possibilities for who's lying?

If there is a SK

Either one of DMS/Near/Bit are lying
OR
Three of DMS/Near/Bit/JF are lying

If there is no SK

None of the doctors are lying
OR
Two of DMS/Near/Bit are lying

The amount of players that seem to think there is an SK for absolutely no reason really is concerning me to the fact that there may really be one and they just scumslipped instead of not understanding the setup. If there ever IS proof of an SK, we just decimate the "one of the doctor" claim group and we should rack up the scum lynches.

Its probably one or zero fakeclaims, so I want a VT lynch.

[Near]

We have results from one single night. It is still difficult to say whether there is SK or not. I agree that, I would lean toward no SK based on the kill action alone.

But based on scuminess alone, I think Bit is scum and no one else in the PR is. So this would translate to existence of SK.

So two different sets of evidence leading to different conclusions regarding existence of SK. I admit, neither set of evidence is full proof. I also admit that night result evidence pointing to absence of SK may be more reliable than me finding Bit scuminess. It has been outlined a few times regarding possibility of night result from a set-up that includes SK. One rather acceptable possibility is that SK simply did not submit his kill.

Also, starting today, the SK who claimed PR would almost never contribute to an additional night kill. As long as the town mindset is: lynch VT until we see 2 people die, SK among PR pool would just sit quietly at night. This is because SK advertising his kill power means that the townies would lynch from the PR pool until at least one scum flips. Also, SK means that there has to be 1 or 3 scums in the PR. And SK among PR means, there must be 0 or 2 additional mafia scums among PR with him. There really can't be 2 more mafia scums in addition to SK in the PR unless we assume something miraculous like SK bit and DMS/JF scum. Thus, in the reasonable mind of SK, revealing the second SK is basically committing suicide.

In addition, sitting quietly at night would be a very good strategy for the "doctor" SK. While it is obviously beneficial in a normal set up for SK to actively look for and target scums, unless scums have great SK reads, they would not target one of the doctors except with their special power kill (stronghold or bus-drive). First, there is nothing really for SK to stop the scums from their power kill even if SK actively tried to look for scums. Second, as long as SK isn't targeted by scums, he can guarantee avoid getting targeted pretty much rest of the game because scums probably don't want to waste their NK power in the doctors protecting each other. On the other hand, SK can potentially resurface after we lynch the last mafia scum after LYLO to win the game.

One last point. So basically two night kills means that SK is among VT and one of the doctors is mafia scum.

And keep in mind that above analysis only applies if there is SK. There may or may not be. I am just saying, if there is one, it would be difficult to know especially if SK is among PR.

[UberNinja]

So based on what you know, what are the possibilities for who's lying?

If there is a SK

Either one of DMS/Near/Bit are lying
OR
Three of DMS/Near/Bit/JF are lying

If there is no SK

None of the doctors are lying
OR
Two of DMS/Near/Bit are lying

The amount of players that seem to think there is an SK for absolutely no reason really is concerning me to the fact that there may really be one and they just scumslipped instead of not understanding the setup. If there ever IS proof of an SK, we just decimate the "one of the doctor" claim group and we should rack up the scum lynches.

Its probably one or zero fakeclaims, so I want a VT lynch.

Good. I am satisfied with this post.

[UberNinja]

Now do you have any, say, READS, or SCUMHUNTING you've done? Or is it all conjecture based on the setup?

I'd really like to see some scum reads or town reads, RBD. You've been frightfully thin on those AFAICT.

[UberNinja]

We have results from one single night. It is still difficult to say whether there is SK or not. I agree that, I would lean toward no SK based on the kill action alone.

But based on scuminess alone, I think Bit is scum and no one else in the PR is. So this would translate to existence of SK.

How many times must I fucking say that Bitmap is town? Townnnnn

[Near]

100%?

[Rainbowdash]

Now do you have any, say, READS, or SCUMHUNTING you've done? Or is it all conjecture based on the setup?

I'd really like to see some scum reads or town reads, RBD. You've been frightfully thin on those AFAICT.

Rach is town for failure to grasp setup stuff. Its a very reliable town tell and she hit it right on the nose. Even in a varaible setup open game I think the tell holds.

Was trying to figure you-DGL-BK out right now because that should show me who scum is in the VTs, but you keep passing on backing up your pushes.

Grey remains the town read early player, but the wagon on him is one that at least makes me take a second look. The "one in doctors" thing is making me nervous of him, but that has also been dropped by a whole lot of others so its not something to act on until we have really got a little deeper into the game.

BK wagon is still horrible, but horrible wagons can hit scum at times. DGL has been gut town for this entire game but seems to be PoE scum.

Then you... which is where I am a little stuck. I doubt you are scum with BK, and DGL makes little sense with what apparently is a "lol reaction" vote on him when the VTs are taking heat. Then again the unvote from DGL after that looks really town. Either way if you are town it would mean DGL-BK-Grey team which doesnt feel all that likely.

My other big thing is... what happened to BK wagon from day one? That being nonexistant today makes me think something is up.

@DMS/UN/Bit - What changed between D1 and now for you regarding BK?

I think I already know where my vote is headed, just havent really convinced myself that its the right spot due to fear of a mislynch today really threatening to lose this for us.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is anyone actually getting anything from all these walls?

[Bitmap]

Is anyone actually getting anything from all these walls?

No. I'm just waiting till they finish.

@RBD: Uhh Idk.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Boring. Dashie, Uber, Near, each of you be a dear and give me your top suspect in the VT pool if you please.

[Rainbowdash]

Boring. Dashie, Uber, Near, each of you be a dear and give me your top suspect in the VT pool if you please.

Im going to be voting one of UN or Grey I think. RM is town, im not voting DGL and I dislike a BK vote. I think logic dictates that Grey is almost the safe vote in that case, but it just feels SO wrong to just cast a safe vote, even if thats what appears correct.

@BK - You said you have seen UN-scum. Does he like to bus?

[UberNinja]

100%?

99.999%

Which is close enough, rofl

[JohnnyFarrar]

Top scumspect Uber. Stat.

[Bitmap]

Top scumspect Uber. Stat.

Explain your reasoning.

[drmyshotgun]

Top scumspect Uber. Stat.

GreyWing?

Uber is Town. 99.9999% sure of this.

[UberNinja]

Now do you have any, say, READS, or SCUMHUNTING you've done? Or is it all conjecture based on the setup?

I'd really like to see some scum reads or town reads, RBD. You've been frightfully thin on those AFAICT.

Rach is town for failure to grasp setup stuff. Its a very reliable town tell and she hit it right on the nose. Even in a varaible setup open game I think the tell holds.

Was trying to figure you-DGL-BK out right now because that should show me who scum is in the VTs, but you keep passing on backing up your pushes.

Grey remains the town read early player, but the wagon on him is one that at least makes me take a second look. The "one in doctors" thing is making me nervous of him, but that has also been dropped by a whole lot of others so its not something to act on until we have really got a little deeper into the game.

BK wagon is still horrible, but horrible wagons can hit scum at times. DGL has been gut town for this entire game but seems to be PoE scum.

Then you... which is where I am a little stuck. I doubt you are scum with BK, and DGL makes little sense with what apparently is a "lol reaction" vote on him when the VTs are taking heat. Then again the unvote from DGL after that looks really town. Either way if you are town it would mean DGL-BK-Grey team which doesnt feel all that likely.

My other big thing is... what happened to BK wagon from day one? That being nonexistant today makes me think something is up.

@DMS/UN/Bit - What changed between D1 and now for you regarding BK?

I think I already know where my vote is headed, just havent really convinced myself that its the right spot due to fear of a mislynch today really threatening to lose this for us.

Are you forgetting that JF jailed DLG?

Also, what if JF is scum and lying, what's the state of the game then, and how easy would it be to shoot a couple bitches and clean up the rest of the game?

[UberNinja]

Top scumspect Uber. Stat.

Grumble...

I don't know. I lost all my reads apparently. I really thought BK was scum but he did something today that I don't remember that I don't want to lynch him for.

Unfortunately I am in two games with a huge player overlap right now, and it's throwing off my reads in both and my motivation goes all to hell when that happens.

I am hereby resolving to restore my motivation. Give me 30 minutes and I'll have something for ya

[UberNinja]

Actually reading RBD and BK's interactions on this page have made me think BK's town against all odds including sanity.

Vote: DLG

He is my biggest VT townread. Explain.

No, YOU explain.

Just because he was jailed last night doesn't mean he's not scum. There are 3 scum (we don't have 5 or more T's in the setup). He could just have not been the one to perform the kill.

[UberNinja]

Also a nice piece Uber said, "BK has done nothing pro-town all game". That's not true, but let me ask you, what the hell has Uber done?? He has NOTHING on me, so when I flip then what? Oh right, he'll just say "Darn I guess I can't be right all of the time! RBD is scum!"

Just watch.

So you think RBD is scum then, yes?

Exactly how did you gather that? I've basically been saying RBD is town in every other post.

So then who do you think is scum?

[UberNinja]

I suppose you're gonna try to dismiss this as just another "mistake". Take your OMGUS vote and shove it down your scummy throat.

Hi false bravado.

Hi scum.

DLG vote stays. JF, sheep me. I don't give a fuck if you jailed him last night.

[UberNinja]

Hey guys I was catching up on the game geez. Still having roomie issues and so on plus NS had his show tonight so I was listening to that.

You cant go by my being online since I am always logged on and use many tabs for different things.


VT

Who do you think is scum Rach?
I want reads, I want em now. and there better be reasons attached


If you're scum in this game, there'll be hell to pay.

[UberNinja]

I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

Was I wrong?

Answer: No

[Greywing]

Who do you think is scum Rach?
I want reads, I want em now. and there better be reasons attached

SPOILER ALERT!

She won't provide any.

This Rach wagon needs to happen.