Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[Bitmap]

So we can all agree that Rach is scum at least? Should we wait a bit before voting her?

[kondi2424]

Yes.

[drmyshotgun]

How about RBD Bitmap?
He has fully endorsed a lynch on PR and then on Day 2, had gone for DLG wagon which didn't happen.
RBD surely has the capability to convince us, but didn't.
This to me, looks like bussing attempt and not trying hard enough.

Why exactly do you have Town read on RBD, Bitmap?

[BK201]

TBF you are probably right that there was scum on that wagon HOWEVER I may point out that the way Inte played was suspicious with his changing his mind on his roles etc and other things he posted made him SEEM scummy and fake claiming. If I had the tracker role, I would have been far more supportive of helping town win. Though I know having PRs can be a difficult position to be in since I have been there, and I am glad I am not a PR in this case just VT.

Meanwhile, lurking is a null tell, especially since I am trying to catch up on the sheer amount of volume of posts since the day started. I want to sort it out and regroup. I was wrong on Inte, but he just seemed so SCUMMY.

@ Kondi any other comments besides that? Are you pointing that out to try to get town cred for NOT being on that wagon (well that your predecessor was NOT on that wagon?)

@Psyche we know how you feel about Gunny here how do you feel about other players.

Before I even read this, you actually post a real post right after being called out? 60 pages man.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.03

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No votes cast

Not Voting: kondi2424, Psyche, drmyshotgun, Rainbowdash, RachMarie, Bitmap, BK201, Near

Deadline: (expired on 2012-08-29 00:29:16)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[BK201]

TBF you are probably right that there was scum on that wagon HOWEVER I may point out that the way Inte played was suspicious with his changing his mind on his roles etc and other things he posted made him SEEM scummy and fake claiming. If I had the tracker role, I would have been far more supportive of helping town win. Though I know having PRs can be a difficult position to be in since I have been there, and I am glad I am not a PR in this case just VT.

Meanwhile, lurking is a null tell, especially since I am trying to catch up on the sheer amount of volume of posts since the day started. I want to sort it out and regroup. I was wrong on Inte, but he just seemed so SCUMMY.

Interesting, because this is where you parked your vote on Inte for the whole phase.

VOTE: Inte This is ridiculous and not at all helpful to town.

For being anti-town.

Alright, I have a good suspect for the third scum. Going to make sure they didn't townslip or anything before I call them out, though.

I will say that RD/Rach are pretty close to being obvious scum to me.

Why does this remind me so much of your scum games?

[BK201]

Not because of the Tracker stuff, unless you were reading along and not posting.

VOTE: rach so scum

[Rainbowdash]

Full stop. Please.

Im 95% of the way to figuring this out but only half way to figuring out how to actually show it if its even possible to.

[drmyshotgun]

Here's GreyWing lynch.

Greywing - 6 - JohnnyFarrar, BK201, UberNinja, Near, Bitmap, drmyshotgun


No way this is 100% Town driven lynch. One JK, one confTown in my eyes, 3 Docs (probably).

BK...Hmmmmmmm.

Okay. BK-RBD-Psyche team in my eyes.

[BK201]

Is it not plain as day obvious how scum Rach is? She slipped up.

[drmyshotgun]

You telling me that GreyWing lynch is 100% Town-driven?
You are rather quick to jump around.

[Bitmap]

How about RBD Bitmap?
He has fully endorsed a lynch on PR and then on Day 2, had gone for DLG wagon which didn't happen.
RBD surely has the capability to convince us, but didn't.
This to me, looks like bussing attempt and not trying hard enough.

Why exactly do you have Town read on RBD, Bitmap?

Honestly, I was leading RBD scum when Uber was around.

We can safely assume that RBD messed up bad... Okay fine. We can safely assume that RBD effed up the game so bad.

However, RBD's massclaim strategy was very town-like. Even though it sort of backfired, we have narrowed the scum pool by a lot.

If she was scum, her reads on me would not have really changed and probably continued to protect me but the reaction change from her read of me from town to scum is genuine.

Inte claimed like shit. Let's face the facts. If you didn't understand that inte was an asshole and a troll, it would have been normal to second guess Inte's claim at that point. And the fact that most of us fell for Inte's anti-town play proves it.

Anyways, let RBD live another day. We lynch either DLG or Rach.

[drmyshotgun]

Yeah, but BK is conf-scum due to the process of elimination in a Town-lynch wagon.

[BK201]

VOTE: Inte This is ridiculous and not at all helpful to town.

Note, vote never changed from this point. Also note that this vote directly followed a PL vote on Inte. Its clear Rach did not think Inte was scummy, but rather anti-town.

TBH Grey, you just got in before I did. Inte has not been useful to finding scum in this game, and he is being a total distraction to the town here.

I have a question Uber I know you have a very good record on finding scum, but why are you so SURE that Inte is town? His posting has been chaotic at best and well rather annoying at times. The constant changes on his claim bother me.

Chaotic and annoying = scum?

I have a gut read since I have not had a chance thanks to a lot of shit in RL happening to focus on a lot of ISO research which I use to provide a case for my vote. There is something about you that sets off my scumdar Inte and I need to peg what that is.

Now that things are settling down in RL I should be able to do more ISO research and my brain should be functioning better.

No I did not keep my vote on you JUST because of those posts, I kept my vote on you because of

your reaction

to having ONE vote on you (after Grey unvoted you that is and you were still complaining because I had a vote on you), Voting for one dude while pushing another ones lynch, the claim situation, need I go on?

I saw scum claim tracker in Open 397 (I was scum in that game and T and P a hydra) who was one of my scum buds fake claimed tracker).

Rach fails to mention that was a Pick Your Poison set-up, so scum can easily fake-claim there. Also, what the hell does that have to do with this?

btw her vote is still on me for being anti-town

if she flips scum im willing to bet that grey isn't scum

actually, you should hide behind her

lol

I thought he was very scummy and the self vote and SK nonsense did not help. I was actually surprised he turned out to be town. We could not trust him to be honest about his role with all the back and forth he did.

BTW I would not automatically assume we do not have an SK since there was doc protection running about, there is a couple of possibilities I could see.

1. SK targets someone that is doc protected or that Johnny jailed and is role blocked.

2. Bus driver might have done something and instead of living because JD hid behind a townie, JD died.

Of course NK analysis is rather WIFOMy but just don't want to see us get too set in stone that there is no SK, personally I think it is more likely that the target was roleblocked for the SK. I think we need to keep the option open until we have more data.

"I thought he was very scummy and the self vote and SK nonsense did not help. I was

actually

surprised he turned out to be town." Use of actually implies she naturally wouldn't be surprised he was town. This is a somewhat proven scum-tell. (imo)

TBF you are probably right that there was scum on that wagon HOWEVER I may point out that the way Inte played was suspicious with his changing his mind on his roles etc and other things he posted made him SEEM scummy and fake claiming. If I had the tracker role, I would have been far more supportive of helping town win. Though I know having PRs can be a difficult position to be in since I have been there, and I am glad I am not a PR in this case just VT.

Meanwhile, lurking is a null tell, especially since I am trying to catch up on the sheer amount of volume of posts since the day started. I want to sort it out and regroup. I was wrong on Inte, but he just seemed so SCUMMY.

No. Your ISO suggests you "thought" he was anti-town. Only MUCH(like 800 posts?) later after stuff happened did you say he was on your scumdar. Rather easy to just keep your vote there.

Die scum die.

[drmyshotgun]

@BK: Well, she wasn't on this wagon.

Here's GreyWing lynch.

Greywing - 6 - JohnnyFarrar, BK201, UberNinja, Near, Bitmap, drmyshotgun

But you were.
You telling me that this is 100% Town-driven lynch on a Town player?

[BK201]

@BK: Well, she wasn't on this wagon.

Here's GreyWing lynch.

Greywing - 6 - JohnnyFarrar, BK201, UberNinja, Near, Bitmap, drmyshotgun

But you were.
You telling me that this is 100% Town-driven lynch on a Town player?

Most likely its not. Scum would be Kondi and/or Bitmap.

[drmyshotgun]

Tut. Kondi is Town.
Bitmap will die tonight.
Hurm.

[BK201]

Tut. Kondi is Town.
Bitmap will die tonight.
Hurm.

Kondi is NOT conf town.
Doesn't matter who dies tonight if I'm lynched today.
Think about that.

[Rainbowdash]

I think I have two scum caught. Let me find last one here and will see what I need to do, sad part is that it might actually not be kondi afterall.

[BK201]

Lynch obvious scum or don't say I didn't tell you so.

[Bitmap]

Lol, BK is town.

[drmyshotgun]

Lol, BK is town.

Serious? And WHY might that be??

So you telling me that that wagon is 100% Town right?
Oh GOD why didn't they NK you?

[Bitmap]

Lol, BK is town.

Serious? And WHY might that be??

BK and Uber interaction and BK's play today gives me a town read.

So you telling me that that wagon is 100% Town right?
Oh GOD why didn't they NK you?

Nah, UN is scum.

[kondi2424]

I feel really bad mentally right now. I'm thinking differently. This may have an affect on my reads here, so if I sound different, that's why. That's the best way I know how to explain this.

[kondi2424]

Alright, I'm going to try to eliminate possible scum by eliminating unlikely teams.

I'm starting with DLG. DLG/Bitmap has already been eliminated as of Post 81.