Open 421-Pamplona II: Electric Bullgaloo! Game over

[Rainbowdash]

Stop doing what you are doing! All of you!

Post if its relevant. Dont post if its not!

SIMPLE!

[drmyshotgun]

I can get behind that real easy. I didn't get back in time to raise any objections yesterday.

VOTE: Dashie

Popping in to say I'm not voting another PR. (technically I didn't vote the last one, but I'll still say it). If I had to vote one right now though, it'd be near. This is so radically different from his normal play that I'm just plain dazzled. But, I'm not voting him for it and neither should anyone else right now.

That leaves BK, Dashie, Grey, Rach, Uber and DLG (In order of scummiest from left to right.)

BK and Dashie have yet to tell me anything useful that came from the massclaim.

BK is voting Uber for god knows why.

I'm cool with lynching BK, but before I vote I'd like to hear his explanations on the above things.

And even in your calculations you agree that grey is scum Dashie? If so, lets get rid of him!

JF wanted RBD/BK/Grey dead. Grey dead. RBD/BK.

[Psyche]

Towncred? BK definitely didn't get towncred for that post.

He'd probably have made a case to make him seem like a fervent supporter if he wanted to get towncred and differentiate himself from other shameless sheepers.

But I don't want to fall into the association tell trap again...

[drmyshotgun]

Towncred? BK definitely didn't get towncred for that post.

He'd probably have made a case to make him seem like a fervent supporter if he wanted to get towncred and differentiate himself from other shameless sheepers.

But I don't want to fall into the association tell trap again...

If the lynch went through. That would have been a TOWNTELL. No?

im actually the tracker and you guys fucked up

double, if you are smart you know who to hide behind

please do it for me

Guess who Inte was meaning here.

I think I have an idea on who DJD hid behind.

[Near]

who?

[Psyche]

I think of mafia as a chess game. Sure, meta and remembering how to play the beginning steps are important, but if you can't think for yourself and just mindlessly throw moves that you read and memorized somewhere, you're not going to be a great chess player. Meta can get you only so far. Since mafia/chess are so dynamic, the players themself will not necessarily follow a set scum pattern on the wiki.

Beautiful. Irrelevant, but beautiful.

I need more nonlinear methods to understand mafia scientifically. >.>

@shotgun: So you think BK was shamelessly bussing? I don't see it at all, but sure, we'll leave that as an ambiguity. BK

did

unvote really quickly. Perhaps he wasn't planning on lynching bitmap at all.

What about the second question?

[BK201]

UNVOTE:
while I read new pages.

[drmyshotgun]

Going to stay in this game after all.

[RachMarie]

@ Mod V/LA till tomorrow

(of course this mod already knows that )



Sorry guys but I have to do a THIRD night of the sleep study they have determined I do have moderate sleep apnea and that the regular CPap is not going to work for me so now I have to try the bi-level one

back tomorrow though with more thoughts on this game.

[drmyshotgun]

Claim scum before you go.
Inte (I think) was asking DJD to hide behind you.

[Rainbowdash]

LOL, did I just read RBD say she caught two scums. I am so eager to hear her case.

Well it starts ugly - I think we already lost without basically a miracle because im pretty sure we are dealing with a SK at this point. A lot of the more questionable players seem to keep heavily alluding to thinking there is scum in the doctors, which if mafia claimed doc both mafia and SK would know to be a fact.

That said, we dont lynch the doctors and it would be either DMS or Bit that is the mafia in the group. I think its actually DMS because he is open to the vote on Bit, which makes zero sense from somepony who is not looking for scum in that group. I even think there is scum there and im not supportive of a lynch in that group because the SK will claim if they are close to being lynched if they get ran up because the only chance of them winning is a prisoners dillema-esq situation since lynching them loses us the game. Also SK shouldnt NK from here on out unless we mislynch, stating the obvious but want to increase our chances as much as possible of pulling this out.

Now - all of that said, I may have jumped the gun on trying to catch BK because he was more of a sacractic tone in a "if I get lynched what matters what happens next" could easily mean that he is just saying "any NK loses" which I thought was him saying that the game continues after his lynch which means he would be scum, but overlooked a NK.

I need to go back and see who else has heavily thought that there is a SK. I know I saw some of that from UN... but I think that would require a UN-DMS-[DGL/BK] scumgroup. I guess I could see UN bus hard but im not too sure. Seems like he would try to get RM mislynched instead. Maybe UN-DMS-DGL is it with the SK in BK/RM.

Anyways, so much is pointing to the SK being real at this point, that I think that I need to actually start acting and getting reads as if they are real. DMS voting Bit makes ZERO sense from DMS-town here unless he is beyond convinced there is a SK, and I dont see how you have that from his standpoint. Ive thought it from time to time, but casting a deciding vote on it just is wrong from town shoes. I can easily see him making that move as scum knowing that there is scum in that group (him), but just forgetting that we arent lynching a doctor claim today period.

Really I think the only way we really lose this is if its VT-Bit-Near and there is no SK, and Near has been most likely of doc claims to be doc since the massclaim occured.

Im betting two scum and a SK in the VT claims. SK should claim if they get ran up (debating on how to do a counter if mafia fakes it).

I realize this doesnt say who I want to lynch (a not RM-VT claim) but thats all I got right now, just want to float it and see what type of reponse outside of DMS voting me we get. Even though I started to go back on it, im almost thinking kondi again for voting Bit (why does VT vote a doctor claim?).

[drmyshotgun]

So RBD is almost definitely Scum.

RBD-Rach-BK/Psyche Scumteam.

@RBD - Maybe Bitmap is like, you know, annoying-as-fuck? He dodges questions by answering them in a nonsensical way and keeps jumping erratically here and there as if his life is a fucking music video.

If RBD is Town, I'll eat my shoe.

[Rainbowdash]

@RBD - Maybe Bitmap is like, you know, annoying-as-fuck? He dodges questions by answering them in a nonsensical way and keeps jumping erratically here and there as if his life is a fucking music video.

So you put a vote out in mylo on somepony who you thought was for sure town because he was annoying?

Note how as soon as DMS gets challenged he jumps right back into the 'any VT but kondi' stance. I think I actually hit the nail on the head with that last post.

[drmyshotgun]

Tut tut.
Town lost this game anyways.


VOTE: RBD
Well played RBD.

[drmyshotgun]

Guys!! If RBD isn't scum, I'll video-record me eating my shoe and post it here!

Like, for REAL.

[drmyshotgun]

Actually, I will hammer my cock.
That should be more fun.
I'll HAMMER my COCK and POST IT HERE.

RBD IS SCUM.
Lynch him and uncover the truth about RachMarie.

Psyche is probably Town since RBD wants to lynch him.
Kondi is definitely Town.

I'LL HAMMER MY COCK, MY BALLS, MY EVERYTHING.
RBD SCUM. ALL IN!!!!!!

[drmyshotgun]

I'll take a NICE BIG HEAVY HARD HAMMER and SLAM IT AGAINST MY COCK.
RBD IS SCUM.
SERIOUSLY.

[drmyshotgun]

Once in a lifetime chance! Win-Win situation here!
See me hammering my balls, it's fun!
See Scum RBD getting lynched, IT IS GONNA BE SO FUN.

[kondi2424]

RD, we're basically having the same PoE but switched. We agree that there is an SK, and one scum in the Doctors. However, the two main differences are that I think Bitmap is scum while you think shotgun is scum, and we're switching each other out. We're both undecided about BK-Psyche.

Let's pretend we're both town. This means we're dealing with Rach, BK and Psyche all being some sort of scum, and one scum in the Doctors. Let's also assume we're both right, and Near is town.

We would still have to decide whether shotgun or Bitmap was the last scum.

Therefore, it really makes no difference whether we do the Doctors or the VTs today. It may actually be better, because it's much more likely that a mafioso claimed Doctor.

PEdit: I agree. But read this post as well.

[Rainbowdash]

@kondi - We are lynching VT today. As much as I think that DMS is scum, I realize that being wrong there is probably an auto-loss on the spot and essentially a guarenteed loss where one of us has to decide if the SK or mafia wins in a lylo. It makes a HUGE difference who we lynch because if we lynch wrong, doctors can help not force the SK to hit scum. If you agree with me on the SK thing... why would you ever vote Bit? Even if you like me think Near is town... town PoV you have a 50% chance of hitting scum in doctors and 75% chance of hitting scum (50% hitting mafia) in the VTs.

Only other option is to no lynch and hope scum kill a doc, which im really not happy doing since as of now a mislynch can still be countered with a good SK shot.

@DMS - Masochism is passe... I know im not mafia so how about you watch the first two MLP episodes instead... with a commentary that proves you actually watched them.

[Bitmap]

@DMS - Masochism is passe... I know im not mafia so how about you watch the first two MLP episodes instead... with a commentary that proves you actually watched them.

Make it the whole first season for DMS.

Anyways, can we lynch Kondi, DLG, or Rach today ffs...

[drmyshotgun]

@Mod: I'll replace out after all. Very sorry about this.

I thought I'd get force-replaced anyways.

[Psyche]

...School turns off the internet on our iPads on the 15th/16th.

I'll be struggling at that point to find internet access. >.>

[kondi2424]

RD, I'm really trying not to vote you today. You're really obvious mafia, and I can give evidence with the limited amount of reading I've done. You pushed a lynch on inte, the claimed Tracker, who you had to have known was VI material and had a role that could at least be semi-confirmable. You're one of those players that is consistently either right, NKed, or scum, and while that's WIFOM and can probably be "disproven" by an outlier, you know it has some merit to it. You've consistently found reasons not to lynch the Doctor claims. Your reasoning for this has been flimsy - until now, your reasoning has been that you won't consider it until you have evidence of an SK, but now that it's LyLo, you're considering an SK but now leaning on the fact that there's more probability of lynching scum in a VT claim than a Doctor claim. (On that note, I'd rather lynch someone I'm sure of being scum and is more likely to be Mafia in the 33% scum group [Bitmap] than lynch someone I have a moderate scumread on that has a 75% chance of being scum [Rach] with a likely SK in the mix)

There's likely more, and that's enough for me to want to vote, but I can't out-argue people like you when they're Mafia. A good example of this is a Newbie game, "The Mafia are due on Maple Street," where fitz was scum, I tried to put up a clear case on him, and he slithered his way into someone else's lynch.

So, even though I know you're Mafia, I'm going to play like you're the SK until you're the last one left. I know Rach is scum, but I don't know whether she's Mafia or the SK. The other two are 50-50 town-scum with no certainty that there's a Mafia in it.

Meanwhile, I'm sure Bitmap is Mafia, can't wiggle his way out like you can, and if you want to save him, you have to either buddy to him or push the other lynch - both of which will actually help get you once Bitmap flips.

[Bitmap]

Kondi's bussing the wearker scum, Rach. And then Kondi is pulling this crap against RBD and me.

RD, I'm really trying not to vote you today. You're really obvious mafia, and I can give evidence with the limited amount of reading I've done. You pushed a lynch on inte, the claimed Tracker, who you had to have known was VI material and had a role that could at least be semi-confirmable. You're one of those players that is consistently either right, NKed, or scum, and while that's WIFOM and can probably be "disproven" by an outlier, you know it has some merit to it. You've consistently found reasons not to lynch the Doctor claims. Your reasoning for this has been flimsy - until now, your reasoning has been that you won't consider it until you have evidence of an SK, but now that it's LyLo, you're considering an SK but now leaning on the fact that there's more probability of lynching scum in a VT claim than a Doctor claim. (On that note, I'd rather lynch someone I'm sure of being scum and is more likely to be Mafia in the 33% scum group [Bitmap] than lynch someone I have a moderate scumread on that has a 75% chance of being scum [Rach] with a likely SK in the mix)

There's likely more, and that's enough for me to want to vote, but I can't out-argue people like you when they're Mafia. A good example of this is a Newbie game, "The Mafia are due on Maple Street," where fitz was scum, I tried to put up a clear case on him, and he slithered his way into someone else's lynch.

So, even though I know you're Mafia, I'm going to play like you're the SK until you're the last one left. I know Rach is scum, but I don't know whether she's Mafia or the SK. The other two are 50-50 town-scum with no certainty that there's a Mafia in it.

Meanwhile, I'm sure Bitmap is Mafia, can't wiggle his way out like you can, and if you want to save him, you have to either buddy to him or push the other lynch - both of which will actually help get you once Bitmap flips.

You know, there are things called a "bad game". You're just taking advantage of that. As of now, I'm a doctor and you have nothing against me. Also, why are you so certain that there is an SK lying around?

VOTE: Kondi2424