WWE Attitude Era 2.0 Game over nWo'd

[Sawyer]

@Everyone:

Some people are ok with a CJ lynch and some are convinced it's an obvious mislynch. Would both of these groups have any interest in lynching PM today? He's done as little as CJ, he's just been hiding it better since he posts more and isn't doing anything blatantly scummy like constantly switching votes for no reason. This whole game PM has done nothing but post fluff and... well, that's it.

Most recently, IaI and I asked him questions/demands in post 355 and 362 respectively and he ignored them both like he has been most of the game (IaI has asked PM about his reads and his vote repeatedly to no avail), because like I said he's selective in what he reads. My post 362 was kind of a test. I wanted to see if he'd respond to questions that were in the middle of a long post to see if he read the thread. He didn't even bother to look for his name. Though IaI's question was in the post by itself, so it shows PM's not even making the effort.

Now he's saying he might ISO someone, which he probably won't, unless it's someone like CJ who's already the leading wagon and has nothing to read anyway.

He's been no better than CJ, he's just been hiding in plain sight the entire time continually implying he'll do more next time he posts, which he hasn't. Given the reasoning, again I'll ask: would anyone be ok with a PM lynch today?

[SnakePlissken]

@ Yates-Asking why someone is voting is an entirely legitimate question.

That said I'm not too found of his answer. He had scum reads on Nexus and two others but voted CJ since he was annoying?

So what your suggesting is I'm only allowed to vote on my INITIAL scum reads? They weren't exclusively my only reads, they just were at the time of the posting.

[I Am Innocent]

PM, I know you just died in that NY game, so no more excuses. Unlike CJ who has left a voting trail, you have one vote this game, on a lurker (IS), and nothing else. Time to start playing already.

unvote Pidgey
vote PMysterious

[ThAdmiral]

He probably isn't scum. I reckon CJM as scum wouldn't post AT ALL.

Why do you say this?

Anyone who says that the vig would've counterclaimed is an idiot.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that there's more than one vig. I've seen it before in Theme Games.

You know how a vig cc's? With a bullet at night - not words during the day.

This

[ThAdmiral]

@Everyone:

Some people are ok with a CJ lynch and some are convinced it's an obvious mislynch. Would both of these groups have any interest in lynching PM today? He's done as little as CJ, he's just been hiding it better since he posts more and isn't doing anything blatantly scummy like constantly switching votes for no reason. This whole game PM has done nothing but post fluff and... well, that's it.

Sure

[Yates]

@ Yates-Asking why someone is voting is an entirely legitimate question.

I agree with that. I think you misunderstood me, though.

When I said this:

This is a dumb thing to have as a distraction, imo.

What I meant is that your back and forth ["Answer my question" - "what question?" - "the one I asked" - "where?"] was a silly distraction/sideshow.

[Yates]

@Everyone:

Some people are ok with a CJ lynch and some are convinced it's an obvious mislynch. Would both of these groups have any interest in lynching PM today? He's done as little as CJ...

What additional information do we gain from a PM lynch outside of the obvious flip?

[Sawyer]

@Everyone:

Some people are ok with a CJ lynch and some are convinced it's an obvious mislynch. Would both of these groups have any interest in lynching PM today? He's done as little as CJ...

What additional information do we gain from a PM lynch outside of the obvious flip?

Aside from the possibility of lynching scum (which should be good enough), I would say night should yield results that give us something. Like Forehead said earlier, this game is moving slow and not to much progress is being made in that time. People seem to be split on CJ, but I'd be willing to bet there's a vig that can take care of him tonight which will give us information. Actually, there's a few scummy do nothing people around here that could be vigged that would give us something to work with based on their flips. The NK from scum may also give us something to work with.

We're too divided overall to make a lynch, even when it comes to the guy with the most votes on him. The point of proposing a PM lynch is because he's guilty of the same things as CJ, only in a way that doesn't give the impression that he's to scummy to be scum.

[Nexus]

He probably isn't scum. I reckon CJM as scum wouldn't post AT ALL.

Why do you say this?

Anyone who says that the vig would've counterclaimed is an idiot.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that there's more than one vig. I've seen it before in Theme Games.

You know how a vig cc's? With a bullet at night - not words during the day.

This

Because he strikes me as an idiot. I dunno, GUT

[CJMiller]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PMysterious

[jasonT1981]

Day 1 Vote Count 9

CJMiller 6- SnakePlissken,Inte,forehead7,pappums rat,Nerodoesthesplits,ThAdmiral
PMysterious 2 - I Am Innocent, CJ Miller
Lance 2 - Gobbledy Gooker,sawyer,
Sawyer 2 - pidgey,Lance,
Inte 2 - PranaDevil,Elmo,
Elmo 1 - Nexus,
PranaDevil 1 - PereV,
Pidgy 1 - DavidX,
DavidX 1 - Yates,

Not Voting

Internet Stranger
WrathChild
PMysterious

V/LA

DavidX
Pappums Rat
Inte

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch. With a 21 day deadline.

(expired on 2012-08-18 10:34:53)

till Day 1 Deadline

[forehead7]

I didn't say every day vigs. Don't put words in my mouth.

Well unless the counterclaimer had the same role (Inte said he was a vig, not had a vig which to me implies regularlity) then yeah, he wouldn't claim.

I'm not certain there is a vig, given there was no counter claim when inte fake claimed it. Assuming there is a vig and inte was fake claiming it, then I would've expected the real vig to claim, perhaps that's just how I'd play it.

You know how a vig cc's? With a bullet at night - not words during the day.

He could, but there's also other reasons why he might come out. (wants him to be lynched, wants to shoot elsewhere, doesn't want the full responsibility of shooting every day and coming out gives others the chance to suggest)

@Everyone:

Some people are ok with a CJ lynch and some are convinced it's an obvious mislynch. Would both of these groups have any interest in lynching PM today? He's done as little as CJ, he's just been hiding it better since he posts more and isn't doing anything blatantly scummy like constantly switching votes for no reason. This whole game PM has done nothing but post fluff and... well, that's it.

Hadn't actually thought that, PM's ISO is pretty awful. He could even be regarded as more scummy, posting more but with just as much content as CJ is making an effort to blend in but still doing nothing. Tough to say which one is more likely to be scum though, both should be dealt with. Preferably with sledgehammers and chairs.

CJ still needs to die though, he cannot be allowed to live. If we do have a vig, shoot CJ(if he doesn't get lynched).

[inte]

VOTE: PMysterious

sorry i'm being kinda useless

[Internet Stranger]

I still dont like this wagon.

[inte]

I still dont like this wagon.

i understand, but do you have any strong scum reads that you are willing to push through today?

[The Gobbledy Gooker]

@Everyone:

Some people are ok with a CJ lynch and some are convinced it's an obvious mislynch. Would both of these groups have any interest in lynching PM today? He's done as little as CJ...

What additional information do we gain from a PM lynch outside of the obvious flip?

Aside from the possibility of lynching scum (which should be good enough), I would say night should yield results that give us something. Like Forehead said earlier, this game is moving slow and not to much progress is being made in that time. People seem to be split on CJ, but I'd be willing to bet there's a vig that can take care of him tonight which will give us information. Actually, there's a few scummy do nothing people around here that could be vigged that would give us something to work with based on their flips. The NK from scum may also give us something to work with.

We're too divided overall to make a lynch, even when it comes to the guy with the most votes on him. The point of proposing a PM lynch is because he's guilty of the same things as CJ, only in a way that doesn't give the impression that he's to scummy to be scum.

Lynch for information is lollerskates nonsense; if you've got reasons other than "lurker lynch" we're all ears but there's no reason to be fishing for a compromise lynch this early.

[Nero Cain]

@Everyone:

Some people are ok with a CJ lynch and some are convinced it's an obvious mislynch. Would both of these groups have any interest in lynching PM today? He's done as little as CJ, he's just been hiding it better since he posts more and isn't doing anything blatantly scummy like constantly switching votes for no reason. This whole game PM has done nothing but post fluff and... well, that's it.

Neither are preferred but I wouldn't cry to see either go. Nexus, Snake and WC should be considered to be lynched.

@ Yates-Asking why someone is voting is an entirely legitimate question.

That said I'm not too found of his answer. He had scum reads on Nexus and two others but voted CJ since he was annoying?

So what your suggesting is I'm only allowed to vote on my INITIAL scum reads? They weren't exclusively my only reads, they just were at the time of the posting.

lol no. You just admitted that you voted CJ for "being annoying and anti-town" Not a very strong reason to vote. Town players are "annoying and anti-town" So I think its rather null.

Now I do think there are players who have adopted a scummy playstyle so they can be all "oh look I'm playing scummy and derpy as fuck...but its my town meta." In that regard, PM and or CJM may very well be scum and as I said above I wouldn't fight thier lynches at all but thier lynches would be pretty much policy.

@yates-I get ya. You're right. Though I'm a bit of a hothead sometimes so when Snake kept asking "what question" I just thought he was scumstalling to avoid it. What did you think? Was he avoiding or do you think he didn't understand what I wanted answered?

I would say night should yield results that give us something.

Relying on night info is crap.

[Yates]

I just thought he was scumstalling to avoid it. What did you think? Was he avoiding or do you think he didn't understand what I wanted answered?

Based on his answer I think he just missed it. It wasn't anything earth shattering. The fact that this is no longer a distraction makes me happy and what I got out of it.

[Lance]

This game is slow though, perhaps we should speed up the process (either by Jason bringing the deadline forward or by us moving into the latter stages and move towards lynching someone).

I'd have to agree. Not much progress is being made. I'll be fine with either of those.

Uh...correct me if I'm wrong, but don't shorter days mostly benefit the Scum side since it gives Town less time to discuss and form opinions? And isn't requesting shorter days an inherently scummy thing to do?

Lance you AtE doesn't do anything for me, guess we'll see what my other head thinks about it when she returns from vacation.

Appeal to emotion? More like appeal to common sense. You obviously have a problem with the CJ Miller wagon, but instead of questioning the players who are actually

on the wagon

, you're focusing all your attention on...me? Am I really the only one who finds that unusual?

Let me ask you this. You think CJ Miller is a mislynch, right? So that means you think he's Town, right? I've seen you and a couple other players say that CJ Miller is a mislynch, but I have yet to see any of you explicitly argue that he's

Town

. Here's what I want you to do (and this goes for everybody who opposes a CJ Miller lynch): ISO him and point out the specific posts of his that indicate that he's Town. If you can convince me that he's Town using facts and evidence from his posts, I'll leave him alone. How does that sound?

So I'm not allowed to express interest in lynching extremely scummy people?

If you chastise a player for performing a certain action and then proceed to perform that same action yourself, don't be surprised when people question you about it.

You on the other hand voted me with awful reasons that don't make sense. But keep at it. It's amusing to see how you'll try and make me look bad.

I love you too, Sawyer. Hugs and kisses forever.

Like, retardscum tend to play even worse than CJM is playing now.

I apologize if this is a newb question, but since this is a non-bastard game, that means there are no Jesters or similar roles, right? Your comment here got me thinking that it's almost like CJ Miller is

trying

to get lynched...and that led me to consider some other unsavory possibilities. Not sure whether Jesters fall under the "bastard" umbrella or not.

Lance's #322 might be good to look back to regarding associative tells with CJMiller. This post looks like he is saying he is willing to vote CJMiller yet wont commit to anything regarding him (as in, he is keeping his options open).

Yeah see, he even admits that he is fencesitting on CJMiller ("you've completely overlooked the fact that I have not voted for CJ Miller myself -- and, in fact, I might not even do so at all "). And LOL at him trying to shift attention away from himself with his "you're ignoring the other people on the wagon" bullshit. You gave shitty reasoning for why you *might* vote CJMiller and were completely non-committal, that is why people are looking at you and not others.

Alright, alright, you made your point. Sheesh. Yes, I can see how my actions could be misconstrued as fence-sitting. My Sawyer vote is going nowhere, so if you want me to put my money where my mouth is, all you had to do was ask nicely.

UNVOTE: Sawyer
VOTE: CJ Miller

There. Happy now?

would anyone be ok with a PM lynch today?

If PMysterious is the day one lynch, you won't hear any objections out of me.

[PMysterious]

I am not the best Day 1 Lynch. CJMiller is at this point.

VOTE: CJMiller

[inte]

that is like... the opposite of what you're supposed to do if you actually wanna live

[Nexus]

Lance:

Afaik, jesters are bastard, and as a result there shouldn't be one in the game. Setup spec is pointless atm though. Also if jason has made it so as the game ends Day 1 I think he will have quite a few angry players.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I am not the best Day 1 Lynch. CJMiller is at this point.

VOTE: CJMiller

Bad vote is bad.

Explain why your not the best lynch today?

[PeregrineV]

@Mod- V/LA until Monday the 13th.

[Sawyer]

Now he's saying he might ISO someone, which he probably won't, unless it's someone like CJ who's already the leading wagon and has nothing to read anyway.

........

I am not the best Day 1 Lynch. CJMiller is at this point.

VOTE: CJMiller

Called it.