Judge, Jury, and Executioner - Over

[BloodCovenent]

Oh, okay, we're playing "outguess the deliberately vague mod" now? Cool.

No, it's remove the vagueness of a result game.

Basically, there is really no one else that BC can investigate and not find Blood (per BC's own analysis) He looses nothing by investigating me tonight. If I show up as clean, then Ser Panda should not have had Blood on him, meaning he did something else.

It would help if i could get who voted guilty, and who voted Not guilty during nights 2 and 4 jury duty.

@BC: Can you ask the mod if you can target a defendant.

what do you mean?

[Knight of Cydonia]

@KoC: Do you agree with this statement at least? "If I show up as clean, then Ser Panda should not have had Blood on him, meaning he did something else."

I don't have all the information, therefore I can't make a decision either way.

BCov:
Night 4: KoC, Axelrod, Nocmen vote guilty; SerPanda confirms a Not Guilty, DoomYoshi never votes (so Not Guilty)

[guille2015]

@BC: Can you ask the mod if you can target a defendant.

what do you mean?

Could you investigate me if I was a defendant today?

Ugh, i miss read my role PM. The mod answered by quoting my role pm. implying that i only get a guilty result on a player that was in jury duty if they had voted the condemned, and the defendant was found guilty. It did not say if they died. I interpreted it wrong, because of the first line of my role explanation.

Ice never confirmed that this scenario happens: Vote Guilty > Defendant found guilty > Defendant survives somehow > found with blood. This is BC's assumption, and interpretation of his role PM.

The mod had confirmed with me regarding the above scenario.

If this is the case then I would show up as bloody too. Fine I'll drop this line of thinking. The wording is what gets me though.

[guille2015]

@KoC: Do you agree with this statement at least? "If I show up as clean, then Ser Panda should not have had Blood on him, meaning he did something else."

I don't have all the information, therefore I can't make a decision either way.

What information. It's a conditional statement. It's either true or false. If I don't show up as bloody, what does that mean of ser Panda since we both have claimed to have done the same thing, but the result differ.
Let's put it this way, if two players say they did the exact same thing, but the result on them both differ from each other, then that would mean that one of them is lying (= scum).

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (6): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia

guille2015 (5): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia
BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion

24

votes are currently not on a player.

Every player has

3

votes.
With

12

alive, it's

7

to hammer.
There are

36

votes in play,

0

of which are frozen, leaving

36

votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

[BloodCovenent]

Night 1:
-Guilty (4): Sir Bastion, DCLXVI, WrathChild, Axelrod
-Not guilty (3): Gooner,

whispersilk, D3f3nd3r

Night 2:
-Guilty (4): AuroraVox, Bastion,

Defender,

Nocmen
-Not Guilty (3):

StrangerCoug,

Axel,

Quilford

Night 3:
-Guilty (3): Ser Panda, guille2015,

GreyICE

-Not guilty (2):

DCLXVI

, BloodCovenent

Night 4:
-Guilty (3): KoC, Axelrod, Nocmen
-Not Guilty (2):

Ser Panda,

DoomYoshi



I *ITHINK* strangercoug is the only one that i can target tonight that, according to the jury duties, shouldn't have blood on his hand.

[BloodCovenent]

@BC: Can you ask the mod if you can target a defendant.

what do you mean?

Could you investigate me if I was a defendant today?

Quoting the Rules here on page 1.

They are roleblocked and rolestopped (this means every action executed by or on them fails).

[guille2015]

OK

[guille2015]

@Mod: I will be V/LA until Tuesday 25th.

[StrangerCoug]

I figured. Either die or go through an annoying Groundhog's Day loop.

SC and Doom where the only players NOT on juries before N4.

I actually

WAS

on the jury N2, as you later posted. I didn't vote because I miscounted the votes and thought the hammer had already happened.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p4352444]post 1845[/url], guille2015"]The reason I doubt this is because of the wording. Ice cannot confirm this as a mod because that would confirm mafias power.[/quote]
The mod would be ill-advised to confirm the

TOWN'S

power, either. The mod of every game follows a need-to-know code and condemning BloodCovenant because your expectation that IceGuy break that code wasn't met is unreasonable.

VOTE: guille2015
VOTE: guille2015

Fixed quote and deleted post asking me to fix it.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

StrangerCoug (6): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia

BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion

22

votes are currently not on a player.

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug

Every player has

3

votes.
With

12

alive, it's

7

to hammer.
There are

36

votes in play,

7

of which are frozen, leaving

29

votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

guille2015 has been hammered.

[BloodCovenent]

@SC, you're right, but you also didn't vote N2.

[Nocmen]

Willing to hammer SC. Needs to be hammered until dead.

On the other hand, Ser's adamant defense of Grey, seems a bit unnatural to me. Any town read on him is gone.

Vote: Ser Panda

Need to reread and see who I want as the third.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC, you're right, but you also didn't vote N2.

That's implied by the "thought the hammer had already happened" part.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Willing to hammer SC. Needs to be hammered until dead.

On the other hand, Ser's adamant defense of Grey, seems a bit unnatural to me. Any town read on him is gone.

Vote: Ser Panda

Need to reread and see who I want as the third.

...why are you even

asking

to hammer Coug? He's scum. Like, not even "99% sure" any more. He's scum.

[DCLXVI]

Wow, this thread exploded once it opened.

Anyway SC is basically confirmed scum, let's just lynch him and ignore him.

Vote:SC
Vote:SC

more later.

[Sir Bastion]

I disagree, Sir Bastion, why would Gooner being an idiot mean that the power was faked.

I dont think Gooner is as much of an idiot as ser panda credits him to. I understand it's the excuse ser panda gave for why a power that as you clearly point out:

I think it's a reasonable power, and It balances Shadow's and Axel's power.

BC's power is stronger at the beginning of the game

, and noticably weaker as the game progresses. The opposite for Shadow's and Axel's power that is weaker starting the game, and stronger as the game progresses.[/quote]

was so poorly mismanaged at that crucial juncture. But it still doesnt sit right with me, I've played with Gooner before, he can be a village idiot at times but not to the level of missing the most obvious of issues in the game.

meanwhile he continues to bug me on other points:

We should string up everyone that was pardoned or didn't get killed at night, Noc and SC. And throw in Sir Bastion or Ser Panda as well.

The return of pushing Nocmen for a hanging is idiotic. Noc was pardoned by a judge, considering that unlike the numerous times SC has ducked the noose, there wasnt a peep from the judge that something could have gone wrong, or even a comment that noc's pardon may not be genuine if mastermind didnt want to reveal his role as judge.

[IceGuy]

Vote Count

BloodCovenent (1): Sir Bastion
Ser Panda (1): Nocmen

20

votes are currently not on a player.

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug
StrangerCoug (7): Sir Bastion, Sir Bastion, BloodCovenent, guille2015, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, DCLXVI

Every player has

3

votes.
With

12

alive, it's

7

to hammer.
There are

36

votes in play,

7

of which are frozen, leaving

29

votes active.

Deadline is October 9th, 10 a.m. CEST.

StrangerCoug has been hammered.

Vote:SC
Vote:SC

Ignored the second vote (StrangerCoug was already hammered by the first).

[AurorusVox]

What's going on here then?

[BloodCovenent]

What's going on here then?

read up scum.

[AurorusVox]

I see Guile got hammered - why?
I see SC got hammered - why?

[DCLXVI]

Here's the thing bastion.

the fact that the night actions from gooner were bad, speaks more to the slot being town. If blood were just making up the people he investigated he could have made up better ones.

Definitely thinking blood is town right now.

[DCLXVI]

guille2015 (7): BloodCovenent, BloodCovenent, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia,

StrangerCoug, StrangerCoug

If this is bussing, it's some retardedly stupid bussing

guille is town.

[AurorusVox]

Isn't Sc just another player who'll keep getting pardoned?

Is it worth blanket pardoning to see what blood comes up with? Unless judge or jury gets Sc obv.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Isn't Sc just another player who'll keep getting pardoned?

Is it worth blanket pardoning to see what blood comes up with? Unless judge or jury gets Sc obv.

I doubt that very much. Nature of Blood's role makes it very hard to say anyone with blood on their hands is 100% guilty, especially with the way the Jury has been going at it.