Ladies Night 2: No Cover -- (Game Over)

[RedCoyote]

Vote Count 2 - 4

• RachMarie

  (4) (DrippingGoofball - Tammy - Apokalyptika - Huntress -

  Fujiko

  )
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (3) (Sucrose - PiggyGal15 - Fujiko)
  
  
  TraceyLyn11
  (2) (springlullaby - camn)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (0) (

  PiggyGal15

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (6) (RachMarie - Amrun - Brandi -

  camn

  -

  springlullaby

  - TraceyLyn11 - Eidolon - Seastormjt -

  Sucrose

  )

With fifteen alive, it takes eight to lynch.

Current Deadline:

(expired on 2012-10-23 20:07:00)

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: TraceyLyn11

And with this, RachMarie, Apo & Tracey each have 3 votes.

Let's keep them hanging for a while.

[Eidolon]

I typed up this long post explaining my thought process of finding my reads, but i probably won't post it unless requested. instead i'll just post a condensed version.

I think we have better odds lynching off telo's wagon.

tammy, seastorm, springlullaby, amrun, huntress, apokolyptica

I have reasons to believe that tammy, amrun, and springlullaby are town, so i'm going to leave them be for right now.

Seastorm - After telo wagon forms, she doesn't post until quite a few pages later. Her post 409 on pg 17 is strange. She lists telo as her top scumread but votes for huntress instead. This is strange. She hasn't offer much analysis, but this particular post was very lengthy. Her explination for voting huntress was that she was waiting for telo to come back to answer the questions. I also remember that her reasoning for voting piggy was off. Slightly Scummy.

Huntress - Huntress posted right when the piggy wagon started forming, without mentioning her at all. Immediately after springlullaby voted for brandi, huntress came in and voted for brandi for "meta" reasons. This seems like an attempt to form a counterwagon to telo. Scummy.

Apokolyptica - She was katy bard when the telo wagon was forming. She unvoted and didn't say much else besides catching up. In 323 and 327, she starts pressuring telo, without adding a vote. This seems scummy to me. Like she has to be seen supporting the wagon but doesn't want telo actually lynched. Scummy.

At this point, i think one of these three, and specifically one of Apokolyptica & Huntress should be lynched today.

I'm gonna finish catching up, and maybe looking at potentials on telo's wagon, before putting up a vote.

[Eidolon]

Ahh, i see apoka has 3 votes already. I'll go ahead and add to the pressure.

Vote: Apokalyptika

I'm seeing Brandi and Amrun as solid town. Eidolon, springlullaby, and camn are all null/leaning town. Fujiko's kinda scummy; no strong stances, treated Telo way too gently. RachMarie's also looking pretty bad; combining Telo's attitude towards her with a completely null posting history (with the exception of her particular comment on scum daytalk, which seemed unnecessary and an excuse to claim a lack of knowledge about it), I'm more than happy to put on some pressure here.

Vote: RachMarie

I'd like to see some reads with conviction behind them, at the very least.

This last statement doesn't sound like someone who thinks they have an actual scumread. It's just coaching.

You also have some pretty mild reads that seem to be commonly held. You say Rach and Fujiko look bad. What posts in specific were too mild from fujiko to telo? You also don't have very strong stances and aren't pushing your scumread hard. Why does that make fujiko scum and not you?

Do you have any other scumreads? Do you think telo was being bussed? Who was scum off/ on telo's wagon and why?

[PiggyGal15]

I think we have better odds lynching off telo's wagon.

I take it you mean lynching off

of

Telo's wagon? It's just that with the grammar you used, it could be taken as you want to lynch off whoever was on Telo's wagon.

[Sucrose]

Town shouldn't care if they change a read on someone that they posted a different opinion before. I'm now cool with a Tracey lynch as well...

I didn't say that. I said I have a bad memory. I.e. I don't remember my reads. It's not a matter of them changing. It's a matter of me forgetting what reads I have and why I have them.

It's know it's WIFOM, but scum has no reason to admit this. The whole thing's a null tell, I'm not sure why people are jumping on it. I like where my vote is.

Ten bucks says one of RachMarie and Apokalyptika is scum.

[PiggyGal15]

Ten bucks says one of RachMarie and Apokalyptika is scum.

I see your bet, and raise you... to the leaning scum instead of scummiest-scum
Bussing does go far in gaining townie cred.

[Apokalyptika]

My apologies, got myself sucked up in some RL drama.

Eidolon, yeah, I admit that I don't have strong scumreads like I do strong townreads. That doesn't mean that the scumreads are dishonest. Also, given that we've all beaten to death the fact that scum have daytalk, talking about in-thread coaching doesn't make any sense. As far as fujiko, she's been a yes-woman this whole game.

I'm a little bit frustrated, actually. Normally at this point I've got at least one scum read jumping out at me that I can firmly sink my teeth into. Most people in this game are still null to me, and my strongest scumread is, I have to admit, implicated by circumstantial evidence.

I'm not really feeling the Tracey wagon. It's definitely annoying that we don't have some ISOs from her yet, but I don't think that her spacing them out has any benefit for her as scum.

[camn]

she told us what the benefit was for her as scum.

[Huntress]

I've been re-reading Telo and Rach among others and Rach's post 162 still reads as fake. It did then and it still does now. And her post 166 responding to Tammy's query on it didn't really answer the question. Also what is very noticeable is the difference between Telo's completely ignoring Rach's accusation that she was defending Piggy, and her response to Katty's accusing her of the same thing in post 323. Telo asked for evidence (post 324) and then denied it (post 328). This difference makes me think that Rach and Katty/Apok are probably not both scum.

And neither of the NK's seem like someone DGBscum would target.

City Electric may not have been an intended target so you can't rule anyone out on those grounds.

Bunny turning up town is a slight surprise, but I guess reading it over it was kind of obvious.

How was it obvious? And I'm still waiting for your reply to my post 495.

If you read Bunny's ISO with her as town in mind, it's obvious. There's not much more I can say. Why does it matter? It's not like I ever had a strong scum read on her, she was just null.

And I thought for sure I answered that o.O
And I can't remember why. The feels I have for scumSucrose are too strong for me to worry about small fish like that.

I want to know why

you

think it's obvious. You say Bunny was just null but in post 441 you were calling her scum. Why the change? And now you say you're cool with a Tracey lynch, despite having called her obvtown. Again, what made you change you mind? As for calling someone confscum just because the slot was replaced twice... well Mathgirl was mildly scummy but I don't see how you can call it confscum. I'm asking all this because I'm trying to get a read on you and you're not making it easy.

Mmmmm

I want RachMarie to be lynched more, not less, after reading camn's post.

I tend to agree.

Personally I'm pretty confident that Bunnylover was the scum kill, and City Electric was the Vig.

Why is that?

Huntress - Huntress posted right when the piggy wagon started forming, without mentioning her at all. Immediately after springlullaby voted for brandi, huntress came in and voted for brandi for "meta" reasons. This seems like an attempt to form a counterwagon to telo. Scummy.

As I have pointed out before, my post at the time of the Piggy wagon

did

relate directly to it. And I didn't vote Brandi for meta reasons. In fact, at the time I voted her I hadn't even done the meta check on her. That came later and I only mentioned the results in the post where I unvoted her. I voted her for the reasons set out earlier in post 184.

[Brandi]

City Electric may not have been an intended target so you can't rule anyone out on those grounds.

Unless I'm missing something, There don't appear to be any re-directing roles in the first post, so I assume each target was as intended?
Unless you're saying it was probably done by a vig or something, but I don't know if there's any way to tell which kill was by scum and which was by a town player.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ Sucrose

If Bunnylover was the scum's target... reading between the lines... Bunnylover had a bee in her bonnet against one player only.

[DrippingGoofball]

BL was obsessed with Fujiko.

[PiggyGal15]

Yeah, Huntress, no one can read me when I'm town xD Join the club.

My reads changed cause they changed. I have no reason. I didn't have a reason for them being obvtown or obvscum just that it felt right, and now it doesn't. Never trust my Day 1 reads. Ever. Not even I do xD
(except for the odd time when I get the feels for a person that they're scum, and I push them, and they turn up scum - like Telo. But that's very very very very very very very rare for me to do.)

[Sucrose]

Personally I'm pretty confident that Bunnylover was the scum kill, and City Electric was the Vig.

Why is that?

This is a pretty bad conversational role to go down. I think Bunny was the one killed by scum, and we should investigate from there. Unless you disagree.

BL was obsessed with Fujiko.

It's definitely a point against Fujiko, but in re-read I became doubtful that Fujiko was scum with Telo, and scum may have just been groping in the dark for PR's, so I wouldn't take it too far on its own.

[Fujiko]

City Electric may not have been an intended target so you can't rule anyone out on those grounds.

Unless I'm missing something, There don't appear to be any re-directing roles in the first post, so I assume each target was as intended?
Unless you're saying it was probably done by a vig or something, but I don't know if there's any way to tell which kill was by scum and which was by a town player.

[quote="In post 1,

Bodyguard

Welcome to Ladies Night 2: No Cover.

You are a

Bodyguard

. You are sided with the town.

As a Bodyguard, you have the ability to protect one player of your choosing each night. If your target is shot at, you will die instead of your target. You may not target yourself. During the day, you are given one vote that you may use toward lynching a specific player, or choosing not to lynch.
[/quote]

Pretty decent chance CityElectric wasn't the intended target.

[Fujiko]

Eidolon, yeah, I admit that I don't have strong scumreads like I do strong townreads. That doesn't mean that the scumreads are dishonest. Also, given that we've all beaten to death the fact that scum have daytalk, talking about in-thread coaching doesn't make any sense. As far as fujiko, she's been a yes-woman this whole game.

Why is it that I'm not strongly attacking, and you're not strongly attacking, but you happen to not have strong reads and I'm a yes-woman?

[PiggyGal15]

You mean BunnyHunter? CityElectric was killed on her own, BH probably died saving someone. My guess would be either camn - or Huntress - since they're both leading town.

[Brandi]

@Fujiko:
Ugh, I'm stupid.

So
CE most likely protected someone, and the vig or the mafia targeted whoever CE protected, and she died instead. :I

[Eidolon]

My apologies, got myself sucked up in some RL drama.

Eidolon, yeah, I admit that I don't have strong scumreads like I do strong townreads. That doesn't mean that the scumreads are dishonest. Also, given that we've all beaten to death the fact that scum have daytalk, talking about in-thread coaching doesn't make any sense. As far as fujiko, she's been a yes-woman this whole game.

I'm a little bit frustrated, actually. Normally at this point I've got at least one scum read jumping out at me that I can firmly sink my teeth into. Most people in this game are still null to me, and my strongest scumread is, I have to admit, implicated by circumstantial evidence.

I'm not really feeling the Tracey wagon. It's definitely annoying that we don't have some ISOs from her yet, but I don't think that her spacing them out has any benefit for her as scum.

First of all, i never implied that you were

coaching a scumbuddy.

Your line directed at your proclaimed scumread was not centered around pressuring them, which implies that you

don't believe in your scumread

and know you are pressuring town.

So you admit that your reads are not strong, and that was your attack on fujiko. So what makes her scum, if you are using those same "scumtells"?

You also never answered my question about which of fujiko's posts were too light at telo?

If fujiko is one of your scumreads, why are you ignoring talking about her in this post, when i asked you plenty of questions that could segue you into taking a stance or applying pressure? I had to reask my questions because you are just outright avoiding them to talk about how you don't have any good scumreads. Scared to ruffle town's feathers?

What circumstantial evidence are you talking about?

Hey, everyone, i shouldn't have to be pulling Apako's teeth to get her to scumhunt. Vote this scum.

[Eidolon]

she told us what the benefit was for her as scum.

woah what. tracey?

let me read her.

[Eidolon]

Okay. these posts are bad. way bad.

Well actually, yes. I don't have a good memory, so I often have to look back at my reads even when I'm town.

Scum slip?

I like keeping them all together. Easier for me later on.

So why can't you just copy and paste it? or just look at it and type up a quick list?

Town shouldn't care if they change a read on someone that they posted a different opinion before. I'm now cool with a Tracey lynch as well...

I didn't say that. I said I have a bad memory. I.e. I don't remember my reads. It's not a matter of them changing. It's a matter of me forgetting what reads I have and why I have them.

I took it as you saying you wouldn't know what your reads were at all if you didn't double check.

Oh. No, I'm not

that

forgetful.

Uhh, what? These posts directly contradict each other. Either you remember them, in which case your excuse for not saying them is BS, or you don't remember them, in which case your backtracking on it is bullshit.

Granted, stubborness doesn't make you scum, and in fact town can be more stubborn than scum at times, but your changing story makes it seem like you just have nothing and are pulling poo out of your butt to explain your lack of reads.

Explain what is so difficult about copy & pasting the reads that you "kept in one place" or making a quick summary of them?

[Amrun]

sorry

catch up tomorrow

[Fujiko]

You mean BunnyHunter? CityElectric was killed on her own, BH probably died saving someone. My guess would be either camn - or Huntress - since they're both leading town.

CityElectric and Bunnylover were both gone, did the town lose two Vanilla Townies? camn announced that that wasn't the case. Worse, CityElectric appeared to be a

Bodyguard

. How she died should lead to some interesting discussion.

Bunnylover, a

Townie

, was shot night 1.
CityElectric, a

Bodyguard

, was shot night 1.

So, CityElectric died saving someone.

That said, I think camn is a good guess - not because of the flavor text, but because she feels townish and is very outspoken about it. DGB was my other guess; I feel like it's going to be somebody outspoken.

[TraceyLyn11]

@Eidolon: You don't seem to understand. First of all, they don't contradict. I said in the first quote that I had bad memory. In the second quote Brandi said that she had thought I was saying I wouldn't know my reads

at all

if I didn't look it up. I can get by sometimes (I'd even say most of the time).

Second, as for the copy/paste thing, my issue isn't... Well, whatever you seem to think it is. I want to keep my reads in one post after I hit submit. It's easier that way rather than separating them. There's literally no harm in doing so.