The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Explain further please?

[Klick]

That's probably because my kill didn't work. Do you think I tried to kill anyone but Thor?

Should I use my investigation now or later?

VOTE: Thor

[greenknight]

Wow. Thor didn't get night killed. Big surprise there.

So... what's an action attractor? It can't be passively redirecting all night actions to itself because Zdenek died too.
Another possibility is it actively redirects night action of its target to itself, but there's no way Stefan would have used it on Klick.

It therefore can't account for the lack of Thor being killed.

Klick, you can start by explaining the flavour of your night kill.

[Klick]

To paraphrase, it says that I need to use my sharp teeth and claws.

[pidgey]

Why did you never mentioned this pretty important detail regarding flavor, klick?

[Klick]

I figured it was implied by the fact that I'm a

werewolf

.

[pidgey]

I really thought that GreyICE was gonna flip town btw. Im fairly surprised.

Will try to reread dead people later.

[greenknight]

Let's say I buy the flavour for now. BTW - it seems that Jason's role is now more likely to be town since we have weird roles in this game and there seems to be good utility in questioning them to find out what their roles actually did.

Klick's now claiming a more than 1-shot daycop + at least 1-shot vig with a flipped town "tracking cop" in the game. Dual town cop seems unlikely to me unless there's something "off" with one of the cops such as

- "Tracking cop" actually means someone who detects trackers
- One of the cops is insane
- Klick is actually a scum daycop (in that case Thor is likely to be scum of a different faction.)

To cover the insane possibility Klick should probably investigate someone else who's competent and whose alignment looks fairly ambiguous. If he gets an innocent on X, that would confirm that 1 of X and Thor is scum.

Actually, perhaps it would be a better idea to leave that until the second half of the day, and follow any leads Greyice might have left behind in his ranting for now.

[Shmugen]

Explain why your kill didn't work, Klick. I should hope you tried to kill Thor, none of the kill flavor matches a werewolf so you didn't get redirected to Stefan, and 3 kills a night in a 18 player game seems excessive.

[ICEninja]

Alright so Grey was a Godfather Role blocker. We also now know there are 2 scum teams (Unseelie means fay, supernatural, and there is almost guaranteed to be a gangster based).

Parker was a gangster, and very likely aligned with Marcone. Susan was Harry's girlfriend.

Now had Klick been Dayton and got a legit night kill, it would have been, as he described it, a fangs and claws kill. If he was lying about who he was, then I actually think Klick would have night killed someone other than Thor, and that Thor was somehow protected. Grey being a role blocker suggests they could actually be scum buddies.

Had a random person died to fangs and claws, (which was what I was expecting), Klick would have simply claimed his kill got redirected, and I wouldn't have believed him. However, it looks like he got role blocked instead. No town would have actually wanted to role block Klick, because Thor dying and flipping town gives us scum to kill today in Klick, and obviously Thor dying and flipping scum means scum dies.

So town role blocking Klick makes zero sense. Scum role blocking him makes all to much. And a role blocker just flipped. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on his claim.

Vote Thor

.

[Klick]

Do you think I know why my kill didn't work, Shmugen? Most likely either a blocking role on me or a protecting role on Thor.

[ICEninja]

If there are that many kills flying around, too, I'd wager a guess that there's at least one night kill immune player.

[Thor665]

Vote: Klick

This should happen.
If for no other reason than someone should explain to me how anyone still believes his claim.

[ICEninja]

Alright I've been considering what to do with this information. I believe this is useful for town to know, but because the information I have is vague, I'm not going to really full claim anything.

However,

my role information SUGGESTS that Klick is telling the truth

. It is inconclusive, but I'm willing to bet a lynch on it. I'd prefer to not say more than that.

[Thor665]

You have role info that suggests he's a multi-shot daycop with a Vig power?

[Thor665]

I just want a y/n on that one - or a vague clarification if needed.

[greenknight]

reviewing Greyice.

Greyice's attempt to point vaguely at Jason's wagon as scummy is evidence for Jason town (or at least not scum with Grey.) That's Greyice trying to look good in case of a flip without actually doing anything to stop the wagon. He only links some meta evidence after the wagon lost momentum anyway.

Contrast his statements re. Kimor later which are an actual defence. I don't read an alignment tell on Kimor/thor slot off this, though. Because grey is probably feeling like he has to call someone town at this time to compensate for all the shouting scum at people.

I'm noting that the attacks by Greyice and CKD on each other are of mutual low quality, and thus a potential scum vs scum interaction.

Has a huge fight with Iceninja too but ninja responses seem town as discussed yesterday, and bunch of small arguments with pidgey, ABR, sixty etc that don't tell me much.

[Thor665]

@Greenknight - we're doing Thor versus the multi-shot Daycop/Vig now.

[curiouskarmadog]

here, going to reread how yesterday went down...I know I got a lot of push back for the grey lynch...going to see who said what when..and who joined what when. I also remember getting grey to or close to -1, and klick coming in to a "claim", countering the grey wagon, claiming shit that has not been claimed, voting grey when he had a "result" on thor, and then ignoring questions.

I also see today that no one is following up on these questions....

vote incoming, but I am thinking Klick will receive it, unless I find something scummier.

[curiouskarmadog]

claiming shit that has not been claimed..EDIT confirmed....(actually quite the opposite)

[Shamrock]

Could Thor be a GreyICE buddy and Klick be scum from an opposite faction

I guess it depends on how ICENinja answers Thor's question.

[Thor665]

Scum from an opposite faction that is a Daycop and claimed a Vig power?
Yes, I fully believe that has happened.

[Shamrock]

What do you think his scum motivation is for claiming yesterday?

Is he just hoping for a "this is too stupid to come from scum" reaction?

[Shamrock]

Also, I actually did see a scum dayrolecop once <_<

[Thor665]

Currently - yes.

Day rolecop is one thing - you think that would be a day role cop that got told alignment as well?