Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[buldermar]

you know looking at your breakkie posts made me want to declare my undying love for you

Don't worry hun, your undying love for me is declared in your signature of every single post you make across this forum ♥

[buldermar]

I'll have to think some more about who to put in 3rd slot... but will it really be required?

[Maenara]

@ maenara
same to you, can you plz give me 2 more scum reads. I am also going with your top 3 town picks.

Bluh bluh.

How's Mollie/Director/Bork sound for town, with Majiffy/KMD (Again, yes)/UCT as scum?

[pirate mollie]

yeah, pretty much. and I need a third for scum and town.

eta: thanks maenara

[Majiffy]

Bulder; Also this and that fuck you.
Vote Uct, building a case based on associative tells from two unflipped players is retarded.

[Majiffy]

Also Nacho is likely to tear that case to shreds.

[buldermar]

Vote Uct, building a case based on associative tells from two unflipped players is retarded.

This is not what I did.

[buldermar]

Also Nacho is likely to tear that case to shreds.

Obviously. He's an experienced player so he's almost never going to give away his alignment in individual posts. That doesn't mean a more holistic approach is pointless, though. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, ya know.

[buldermar]

Also fuck you too.

[Majiffy]

Vote Uct, building a case based on associative tells from two unflipped players is retarded.

This is not what I did.

A majority of it was, actually.

[buldermar]

I think this alone is actually enough for me to consider Nacho's slot the most scummiest

No, you're wrong. Majority of my reason for considering Nacho's slot the scummiest is related to Breakfast.

[Majiffy]

Right well we saw how well that worked in relation to LS/Aether.

[Majiffy]

Oh Aether is Maenara's slot.

Why isn't that slot dead yet?

[the director]

scum is penguin and majiffy.

penguin because she is lurker central

majiffy because if he was actually threatening to scum he would be dead by now

but im just an idiot who didn't start the boat on Fe or anything. Pirate stop trying, scum have already won this game, it isn't worth saving.

[borkjerfkin]

scum is penguin and majiffy.

penguin because she is lurker central

majiffy because if he was actually threatening to scum he would be dead by now

but im just an idiot who didn't start the boat on Fe or anything. Pirate stop trying, scum have already won this game, it isn't worth saving.

you deserve more scrutiny for this comment -- we've what, hit scum once, mislynched once, and stopped a nightkill, but you think scum have already won. Why is that?

[Majiffy]

1388 is a vig-me-please bullseye. That was the most apathetic anti-town pile of drivel I've ever read. And beyond that, it didn't even follow much cohesive logic without taking gigantic leaps of faith.

[pirate mollie]

scum is penguin and majiffy.

penguin because she is lurker central

majiffy because if he was actually threatening to scum he would be dead by now

but im just an idiot who didn't start the boat on Fe or anything. Pirate stop trying, scum have already won this game, it isn't worth saving.

oh hush, if you are town I see why you are saying this. if you are scum then nice plant of defeatism but it was premature and no one else is going to buy it.

so I need a third scum read from you and 3 town read tia

[buldermar]

Right well we saw how well that worked in relation to LS/Aether.

You should all be ashamed of voting him.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't get that impression from uct. Mollie seems the most concerned about other's thoughts if we're going down that road but I find that to be typical from mollie town.
so

you avoided the second part of kmd's question.

where is your list

i have townreads on kmd, ns, mollie, buldermar, bork, and uct.
leaving maenara, penguin, and majiffy.

I don't get that impression from uct. Mollie seems the most concerned about other's thoughts if we're going down that road but I find that to be typical from mollie town.
so

you avoided the second part of kmd's question.

where is your list

i have townreads on kmd, ns, mollie, buldermar, bork, and uct.
leaving maenara, penguin, and majiffy.

I don't have top three townreads, but for what you're doing, kmd buldermar and you are my choices. and i read buldermar's post, will get to it after initial catchup.

[Nachomamma8]

but first...!

Excuses the lurking

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[buldermar]

but first...!

Excuses the lurking

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Good one, I'll give you that! I had long forgotten about the infamous sarcasm alert - I shall make sure to once again have it in my repetoir of responses.

[Nachomamma8]

This post was really weird to me because he had been lurking a lot beforehand. "Hey look at me I'm looking forward to being an active pro-town player".

I replaced in November 29th, 6:30 PM. That post was made November 29th, 7:24 PM. Majiffy also thought that I was lurking beforehand, but no. I just replaced in. The "hey I'm looking forward to being an active pro-town player" bit is also something that's a bit alignment null. It's essentially equivalent to saying "hey, I'm looking forward to being town for once!" or "hey, I'm looking forward to smashing the scum this game!".

Excuses the lurking and asks Fe who should be voted in the very same post. We obviously know now that Fe is scum and I see no reason why Nacho wouldn't do this to make Fe "make a case" and kind of force the attention on someone by sheeping him.

The second part is exactly what I was doing. I buddied up to Fe, and pretty much offered to sheep him because I wanted to see how he would react. He was sort of crumbling under pressure, and I have a tendency to protect the fuck out of weaker players who are under a shit ton of pressure because I don't agree with the cases against them and end up getting townreads on them even if they are obviously scum, and it's an Achilles heel I've been working on.

This is really irrelevant because at this point Fe was one vote short of being lynched and with no obvious candidate.

It's irrelevant, but it doesn't really point to my alignment either way.

This is really lazy in a way I don't find characteristic for town-Nacho. He doesn't say "I like x and y and z about your reasoning for voting kmd, so I'll sheep", he just makes a fake emotional response about how bad it feels to be sheeping Majiffy without mentioning the reasoning at all.

The "I hate sheeping Majiffy" was more of a joke than anything else. The vote in and of itself wasn't really lazy, either; kmd was sitting pretty solidly in null where he normally doesn't at all. I wanted to see him do more, and so I voted him. If I liked specific points of the case and considered pushing it myself, then I would have, but I wanted the wagon to grow for reasons other than "kmd is scum, lynch him", and so you didn't get more reasoning from me.

This was when kmd hit L-1. Absolute lack of explanation for the sudden jump. Majiffy points this out in the very next post:

Lack of explanation, yes. Lack of reasoning, no. KMD's #713 was honest and wasn't really what I expected at all to see from kmd-scum. I've seen him in shitty places before, but he's not the type to quit because people absolutely have him pegged. Him throwing his arms up and sort of accepting the lynch while giving a realistic answer to my request and not a promise that would buy him potential time which could direct the lynch somewhere else gave me a strong townread. You also note that Majiffy asks me the reason for my sudden jump, but you don't note Majiffy's own sudden jump, which came right before mine. Why?

Then after a ton of low activity posts, out of nowhere, comes This hugeass wall. It's based exclusively on old posts so there is no reason as to why this case wasn't made when the day first started instead of simply sheeping kmd.

...except I wasn't necessarily that sure about the case when the day first started, and it's not really a good idea to start pushing the case before your read is strong. Putting out big cases on people will always help to confirm your bias in 90% of cases, so when you do that, you're essentially saying that you're ready for that player to be lynched. And I wasn't ready to make a call for someone to be lynched just then.

[buldermar]

The second part is exactly what I was doing. I buddied up to Fe, and pretty much offered to sheep him because I wanted to see how he would react. He was sort of crumbling under pressure, and I have a tendency to protect the fuck out of weaker players who are under a shit ton of pressure because I don't agree with the cases against them and end up getting townreads on them even if they are obviously scum, and it's an Achilles heel I've been working on.

My point is that you were trying to force the attention on someone other than Fe by having him make a case on someone else, that is, directing attention away from him.

[buldermar]

Oh accidently clicked submit instead of copy so now I'll respond individually.

I replaced in November 29th, 6:30 PM. That post was made November 29th, 7:24 PM. Majiffy also thought that I was lurking beforehand, but no. I just replaced in. The "hey I'm looking forward to being an active pro-town player" bit is also something that's a bit alignment null. It's essentially equivalent to saying "hey, I'm looking forward to being town for once!" or "hey, I'm looking forward to smashing the scum this game!".

Alright, that's a fair point but the post still stands out to me as if you're wanting to give the impression of looking forward to being active without actually looking forward to being active. That is, it didn't seem sincere to me. Maybe I'm just not used to you showing that level of excitement, but to me it seemed forced.

[buldermar]

It's irrelevant, but it doesn't really point to my alignment either way.

I think it does because vote analysis would point to you being on the wagon when you were not in support of his lynch before the very last minut where it become obvious that he was getting lynched.