Open 459: There is a New Scum in Town. Game Over Town Wins!

[buldermar]

I forgot to make one additional point.

As town, you would at very least have posted who you'd want lynched because you may be lynched at any time and may not get a chance to post this at a later time. You never bothered doing so. Why does it not matter to you? Because you're scum. This is further underlined by the fact that as scum, you can only afford to not like this popcorn style.

[buldermar]

Right

penguin, who's after you?

I even specifically asked you. You're scum.

[Maenara]

Pity's sake, Penguin. If you're convinced that Buld is scum, help us lynch you and choose him for tomorrow's popcorn. Then you, Buldy, can pick KMD. It doesn't have to get any harder than that.

[buldermar]

Oh right. That's a plan that I'm fine with as I'm fairly certain that penguin is scum.

[buldermar]

I'm sure penguin can agree with it too, right? I don't see a town reason not to, so let's go ahead and lynch penguin and lynch me next if penguin flips town. Thanks.

[Nobody Special]

I'm ready to hammer. Any objections?

[penguin_alien]

Nothing I haven't already voiced. And if you're really going to stick with this plan, then yes, I want buldermar for the next lynch. As was the obvious answer to your question after my post, buldermar. Why would I have fed a game plan I think is ill-advised by only saying what you wanted me to say? And as back-up, in case I'm wrong and scum is someone else who NKs buldermar, I'd put Kmd4390 as my next best scum read for reasons I've discussed in the past.

And Maenara, your idea that us stringing up those people post-flip confirmed townies tell us to isn't so sensible--you yourself are the next best thing to confirmed town, but you said that your reads shouldn't be sheeped. Why are Nachomamma8's any better?

[borkjerfkin]

UNVOTE:

The more penguin posts the less i like this. Where is half the game?

Sorry nacho.

[Nobody Special]

Why are you liking it less? Be specific.

[pirate mollie]

the only thing that makes me hesitate is buldey's read on nacho as scum. and I think kmd is town.

[borkjerfkin]

penguin's not fighting her lynch, she's not fighting the system we're using, she's just making sure her scumreads get lynched next. This doesn't look like last scum mentality.

[borkjerfkin]

the only thing that makes me hesitate is buldey's read on nacho as scum. and I think kmd is town.

hesitate with what exactly?

[borkjerfkin]

I'm reevaluating the whole game from the ground up and am not voting again until I've done that.

[pirate mollie]

the only thing that makes me hesitate is buldey's read on nacho as scum. and I think kmd is town.

hesitate with what exactly?

on my town read of buldey. I just gmed a game where scum buldey pushed an SK lynch on nacho. buldey was in that game and had very little suspicion thrown at him but it never gained any traction so scum skated to a flawless victory. it was terrible. so I am a little paranoid about him.

[borkjerfkin]

what does that have to do with the current gamestate?

[buldermar]

penguin's not fighting her lynch, she's not fighting the system we're using, she's just making sure her scumreads get lynched next. This doesn't look like last scum mentality.

Wait, what? We must not be reading the same game.

[buldermar]

Just fucking vote penguin and lynch me next if I'm wrong, which I wont be.

[Nobody Special]

Okay.

Vote: penguin

[RachMarie]

Vote Count 5.2


penguin_alien (3) Buldemar, Maenara, Nobody Special (L-1)

Buldermar (2) penguin_alien, Kmd4390



Not Voting
Borkjerfkin, Pirate Mollie



With 7 it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-02-06 03:33:59)

[pirate mollie]

what does that have to do with the current gamestate?

it is a meta thing borky. you best believe that I was paying attention to buldey's scum game (it is completed) and I am having to reevaluate my estimation of him here cos he is really fucking good.

if penguin flips town, buldey tomorrow. if buldey flips scum then look at ns. ns just hammered and has looked super scummy all game.

if buldey flips town after penguin flips town then I dunno. someone who has more experience with the popcorn method will have to work it out. I see what nacho was doing with it though.

eta: xpost with rach marie

okay so ns did not hammer. sheeping kmd

VOTE: buldey

[buldermar]

what does that have to do with the current gamestate?

it is a meta thing borky. you best believe that I was paying attention to buldey's scum game (it is completed) and I am having to reevaluate my estimation of him here cos he is really fucking good.

if penguin flips town, buldey tomorrow. if buldey flips scum then look at ns. ns just hammered and has looked super scummy all game.

if buldey flips town after penguin flips town then I dunno. someone who has more experience with the popcorn method will have to work it out. I see what nacho was doing with it though.

eta: xpost with rach marie

okay so ns did not hammer. sheeping kmd

VOTE: buldey

mollie...

Thank you for your kind words! ♥

You're making a mistake here on theoretical grounds alone: If I'm scum, you win the game regardless if we lynch penguin before me. However, if penguin is scum, you may not be alive tomorrow and penguin may get away with this. I want to make this perfectly clear so that you don't have to be afraid of me getting away with something sneaky: if penguin flips town, I'm fine with us lynching me tomorrow and I'll even promise to self-vote. If I do not self-vote myself tomorrow, should penguin flip town, you're free to put whatever you wish in my signature (you know that I don't lose signature bets and this isn't an exception). You're making a mistake because if you lynch me before penguin, there may not be enough people to support a penguin lynch and equally importantly, there may be noone left to look through what penguin is doing.

I really hope you'll put aside your current bias (namely that you think that how you saw me play in that other game makes me more likely to be scum in this), and look at how flawed the logic in penguins case on me is and why this makes him scum, by reading his case and my respond to his case. I do think you're currently allowing yourself to react emotionally instead of rationally, and I know for a fact that you'll be blaming yourself postgame when I flip town and you fail to get penguin lynched the following day due to lack of support.

And a signature bet offer, because I feel really certain in this:

I am willing to bet you that penguin is scum (which we will figure out one way or the other eventually). If penguin is indeed scum, you have to open the next three games we play together with a post of my choice. If penguin is town, you can put whatever you wish in my signature or, alternatively, I will open the next three games we player together with a post of your choice. Dare to make this bet?

[buldermar]

mollie, you changed your signature?

[borkjerfkin]

1) mollie theres one scum left and you should know this
2) sig bets are against site rules

[borkjerfkin]

More specifically, sig bets used as leverage on a game are against site rules, which is what you are doing.

[borkjerfkin]

and I have to fucking tiebreak this shit don't I?