Gay Mafia II: RIDE THE LIGHTNING (Game Over)

[Zoidberg]

Dram says he caught zoraster in a lie.

A claim that's yet to be substantiated. Still waiting on dram to clearly outline what this "lie" was.

Zoraster is refusing to fully claim.

I very much want dram to claim first. Of the four of you I find him the scummiest.

[zoraster]

yup. don't really know what you're trying to accomplish here, DGB. i have my reasons.

[Iecerint]

See that's another thing that bugs. You kept in the background the whole game, low-key, and YOU never said, hey guys, I need to be lynched. WHY

This situation today would be different if we had lynched scum D6.

[Zoidberg]

DGB we all know you're not going to vote him and it's unlikely he'll be quicklynched.

So let's just drop the farce already.

[dramonic]

See that's another thing that bugs. You kept in the background the whole game, low-key, and YOU never said, hey guys, I need to be lynched. WHY

This situation today would be different if we had lynched scum D6.

...Are you REALLY surprised about the D6 result though?
And i targeted Zor.
Zor, since you're sooooo hellbent on killing yourself, I really see no reason to not oblige me. I could be scum and by your own word youd still want to be lynched, so what's stopping you?

[zoraster]

really? no reason? like maybe claiming last limits your ability to bullshit? if you do and i can call you on it, then it makes it more likely that the other scum will target you, meaning that your shot (assuming you're an SK or mafia member) will be the only one we're depending on for the win.

[zoraster]

here's the question: from my perspective, what benefit do I gain from letting you claim last, after me? None. None benefit.

[dramonic]

really? no reason? like maybe claiming last limits your ability to bullshit? if you do and i can call you on it, then it makes it more likely that the other scum will target you, meaning that your shot (assuming you're an SK or mafia member) will be the only one we're depending on for the win.

If i have incriminating evidence, you're getting lynched. If im scum, you want to lynch yourself. Now why would I not simply retract my claim as scum since the end result is the same?

[zoraster]

Because you've already implied that you've got a claim.

If you're scum and thinking straight, you'll realize that you still have to come off as not-scum in order to try to avoid your real opponent's bullet (the real opponent being the other scum). If you're town, you don't really lose anything by claiming first, do you?

[dramonic]

Because you've already implied that you've got a claim.

ive said i might have evidence, the same way a doc might have an innocent the night after no-kill. For all he knows, there's also a roleblocker in the setup. My evidence depends on others, as such i CANT use it if i dont claim last.

If you're scum and thinking straight, you'll realize that you still have to come off as not-scum in order to try to avoid your real opponent's bullet (the real opponent being the other scum). If you're town, you don't really lose anything by claiming first, do you?

That's assuming im not bp, or capable of manipulating an enemy scum's night action, or any similar options that you are ignoring entirely.

We are ALSO assuming the SK doesnt win by scorched earth, which is far from implausible.

if im scum, i dont think the sk wants me dead.
if im sk, im probably protected from dying night 1 through sheer dumb luck.

[Zoidberg]

ive said i might have evidence, the same way a doc might have an innocent the night after no-kill. For all he knows, there's also a roleblocker in the setup. My evidence depends on others, as such i CANT use it if i dont claim last

Hahahaha, fucking bullshit.

Claim your evidence and let it be corroborated post-facto by others.

[dramonic]

Look, we get it, you want to be speshul, but you serve no purpose here, can you not post and focus on throwing this on D8 like we all know you will?

[Zoidberg]

no u

[Iecerint]

OK, so, I am

Adam Lambert, Overburdened Jack of all Trades

. I didn't get any kind of ability list when the game started. Instead, the Mods send me a PM at the start of each night with 4 abilities to choose from. The abilities change each night, and they have little flavor names. I must choose an ability each night or be modkilled. The abilities are all described prosaically (e.g., "stop who you target from performing actions" rather than "roleblock"), but I'm listing the abilities by their effect below to save space:

N1 I had a choice between removing someone's vote (If I Had You), giving someone a double action (Mad World), roleblock (Chokehold), or tracker (Tracks of My Tears).

I gave Om a double-action

because he was my strongest town read at the time, and the read was orthogonal to the Wyrd fiasco.

N2 I was given a choice between a roleblock (Naked Love), framer (Black or White), another tracker (Sleepwalker), or something where my target could only vote and quote other players the following day (Whataya Want from Me).

I roleblocked Ythan

. I can only assume that roleblocks can't be roleblocked in this ruleset, since PH claimed he was roleblocked N2, and Ythan flipped roleblocker. I have asked the Mods for ruleset clarification on this several times, but they've never really given me a straight answer. Maybe they'll clarify this now that I've posted this; I guess it took like 4 times for them to respond to the vote count errors yesterday.

N3 I was given a choice between a jailkeep (Pop That Lock), a doctor (Ring of Fire), another watcher (Never Close My Eyes), or another double action (Born To Be Wild).

I doctored PretentiousHydra

, as the Bodyguard had already died.

N4 I was given a choice between another framer (Shady), another watcher (Better Than I Know Myself), another jailkeep (Broken Open), or an ability that would turn my target's action, if present, into a kill that night (For Your Entertainment).

I watched PretentiousHydra and got NO RESULT

. This is the night that PretentiousHydra died, so he was obviously targeted. One of the unflipped scum may be a ninja, or else my ability was messed with in some way.

N5 I was given a choice between removing someone's vote (If I Had You), a roleblock (Chokehold), or tracker (Tracks of My Tears). In other words, I had the same options as N1, minus the double-action.

I tracked Magua (no result)

, which is why I was relatively sure Magua was town yesterday. The fact that I got the N1 options is why I wanted to wait exactly 1 day to claim, as I guessed I'd have another track available N6 and I could confirm/catch someone else.

N6 I indeed was given a choice between framer, tracker, and target-can't-post-normally-the-next-day.

I tracked dramonic and found that he targeted TheTrollie N6.

I decided not to track TheTrollie because he might be NKed, I decided not to track Zoidberg as I thought ninja might jive pretty well with fruit-vendor, and I had town reads on DGB-Magua-Dram, but I thought Dram was most likely to be some kind of scum out of that set, so I went with him.

Short Version

1. Dram targeted TheTrollie N6, and he only targeted TheTrollie N6.

Dram is lying, my action was messed with, or dram's action was messed with.

2. One of the unflipped scum may be a ninja.
3. I am likely to have access to a jailkeep N7 (along with a watcher and a double action).

That last means that I'm pretty sure we can lynch scum today and still win, provided that I jailkeep the other scum tonight.

[dramonic]

hmm.
I could have been redirected to trollie without it altering my claim, fwiw.

[dramonic]

That does mean that scum can action and kill in the same night, and that they have a redirector.
Or iece has a LOT of time on his hands

[dramonic]

that also mean the last two scum are dgb and zor by PoE, since zoidberg cant realistically redirect and give dick and kill at once. I like this development

[zoraster]

why do you say likely exactly, Iec? I think that definitely changes the game, but that hedge word worries me.

[zoraster]

also, ignoring dram now.

My full claim:

I am Lucifer. I am

God's enabler

(god needs me, though when I PMed the mods to ask whether God knows this about me, they said fuck no). I have forbidden knowledge, which means that I can target a player, and he will learn the alignment of another player in the game. Finally, I don't care that I have a bad reputation, which means I'm a hated townie.

Really, I was mostly just bullshitting to put dram in an awkward position, but being God's enabler is the reason I knew DW was the real dreaming god and not SPB. It's also the reason I wasn't super excited about claiming my stuff.

[Iecerint]

why do you say likely exactly, Iec? I think that definitely changes the game, but that hedge word worries me.

I am basically 100% sure at this point that I will get the N3 options tonight given what happened N5 and N6, but I don't get my options until the start of the night in question, so I won't know for sure until then. For example, I wasn't sure at the time if my N5 choices were a random selection from the N1-N4 choice-sets, but with getting N1s and then N2s successively, I'm pretty confident it's sequential at this point.

I should clarify that all my track/watch results were worded in terms that did not specify the name of the player the result was on (e.g., "the person you targeted did blahblah" vs. "Player X did blahblah").

[Iecerint]

Leaves dram/DGB/Zoidberg.

[dramonic]

i am Anderson Cooper, reporter.
im informed if my target used an action, nothing more, nothing less. i targetted OD nights 1-2-3, iece night 4, kawaii night 5 and zoraster night 6.
My result has been that my target actionned each time, except night 5 (kawaii obviously having no active)

now, if iece here had not confirmed ive been fucked with, it WOULD have incriminated Zor, but since i apparently targetted trollie my action had no impact. We kinda already knew that trollie actionned.

@iece: you think zor is confirmed then?

[Zoidberg]

My bets are on DGB+dramonic as scum/sk.

Fucking called it.

[Zoidberg]

i am Anderson Cooper, reporter.
im informed if my target used an action, nothing more, nothing less. i targetted OD nights 1-2-3, iece night 4, kawaii night 5 and zoraster night 6.
My result has been that my target actionned each time, except night 5 (kawaii obviously having no active)

now, if iece here had not confirmed ive been fucked with, it WOULD have incriminated Zor, but since i apparently targetted trollie my action had no impact. We kinda already knew that trollie actionned.

@iece: you think zor is confirmed then?

Why didn't you claim flavour?

[zoraster]

playing along, why did you target OD for 3 nights?