The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[jasonT1981]

I find it interesting to note, all the shouting he has done.. Kuribo doesn't even have a vote down.

CDB and Camn need to get their votes of BT and onto Kuribo or SAD.. maybe Kise at a stretch

i just FUCKING VOTED BT


for fuck's sake

Yea i see, if you look you will see our posts were both at the same time (11.45pm) so when I was posting, you did not have a vote down.

[kuribo]

Fuck it, I am going to get drunk and watch NASCAR from Daytona

come have jello shooters with me

[kuribo]

I find it interesting to note, all the shouting he has done.. Kuribo doesn't even have a vote down.

CDB and Camn need to get their votes of BT and onto Kuribo or SAD.. maybe Kise at a stretch

i just FUCKING VOTED BT


for fuck's sake

Yea i see, if you look you will see our posts were both at the same time (11.45pm) so when I was posting, you did not have a vote down.

11:45pm what the fuck kinda voodoo time are you on

[sottyrulez]

He is in Northern Ireland.

Before you go get pissed Jason, can you brief me on why BT is in your town group? Just a couple of lines would be nice.

~Sotty.

[kuribo]

@Jason- If you're "caught up," why did you ignore the posts I directed to you. Further, what is it that you find scummy, keeping in mind that you and I have played several games together. And further, I've played in numerous games that you yourself have moderated. We both know you're not stupid, and we both know you're not ignorant of my meta.

Because I have tried to answer everything, and I will end up just repeating myself, everything you have asked, that I can tell I have already covered and your lazy ass needs to read. If I have 'missed' something, please re-ask them in bullet points, but if it was the question as to what I find scummy... I suggest you read as I have answered many times..

Your accusations boil down to:

* behavior of my slot (not shit I can do about that)
* screaming (lol like you've never seen me get caught up yelling at someone and get distracted. and people may not like it, but the argument did help me get a read on Ben)
* "setup speculation rather than scumhunting" (as i explained that the 'setup speculation' was part of my scumhunting--- I wanted to know if Plessie had slipped with knowledge they shouldn't have)
* "not done any scumhunting" (except that I have, as noted above)
* Voted CDB based on "gut" (at the time, CDB wasn't posting, and my gut was all I had. And when the wagon on him picked up steam, he came up with content that satisfied me)

[kuribo]

The difference is that people may not like my playstyle, and I'll grant them that. Hell, even I don't like my playstyle most of the time. But Jason is very well aware of my style, having watched me tunnel on town in screaming matches in several games that he moderated.

[The Baltimore Sun]

Day 2, Votecount 25

ChannelDeliBird (1) - Plessiezarus

kuribo (5) - Cerulean, JasonT1981, Benmage, BT, Ser Arthur Dayne

Kise (2) - sottyrulez, The Mini-Librarian
BT (3) - Channeldelibird, camn, kuribo
Ser Arthur Dayne (1) - Deasvail

Not voting (4) :

ZONEACE, Kise, Nostredeus, Zdenek

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 22nd of February at 00:30am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadlien: (expired on 2013-02-21 20:30:28)
  
• Nostredeus and SAD are V/la. Plessiezarus is V/la

[jasonT1981]

He is in Northern Ireland.

Before you go get pissed Jason, can you brief me on why BT is in your town group? Just a couple of lines would be nice.

~Sotty.

More because I am more sure of others being scum. Your back and forth with BT seemed more like town vs town going back and forth too. I disagree with BT saying your vote was opertunistic, but I just don't see anything overly scummy from BT.

I honestly don't even recall having a read on Viafam before BT stepped in.

[Plessiezarus]

VOTE: Arthur

In a nutshell: Arthur's play is suspicious on its own; TGAH's interactions around his slot match with what we would expect from a buddy + interaction with absta's slot makes them likely partners. Pless doesn't really get BT as scum; but we'd be okay with either Kise or kuribo.

~ Zar.

[jasonT1981]

The difference is that people may not like my playstyle, and I'll grant them that. Hell, even I don't like my playstyle most of the time. But Jason is very well aware of my style, having watched me tunnel on town in screaming matches in several games that he moderated.

see, you seem to be making this all about you. While yes, you are not responsible for the actions of previous people in your slot, you are accountable.

All 3 people in your slot now have come across as scummy to many. My vote would most likely be on your slot even if was someone else.

[Zdenek]

Jason, do you only think that Ben is scum because you think his fight with Kuribo is scum v. scum? What makes you think this?

[BT]

Rereading. Before that, though:

Pless - how many of these people do you think are town?

kuribo
Kise
JasonT1981
ChannelDelibird

Well, we're both confident on Jason being town at this point. We don't have a town read on any of the other three. But I don't think we're

that

good to have pinned the scumteam with the other three, so idk at least one should be scummy town? :shrug:

There is one (1) way of interpreting the last part and that is that you believe there are three remaining scum. With TGAH and absta, that means a total of 4 + traitor.

I'm assuming we'd have four with a traitor? idk?

~.Zar

I'm assuming we'd have four with a traitor? idk?

Wow.

Assuming you've taken math lessons:

absta + X + X + Traitor = 4. A four player scum-team PLUS a traitor would be OP in a 19 player game IMO.

kuribo: still don't think the absta kill makes sense from a SK's POV. Not that it isn't implausible, but just it seems subpar.

~Zar.

This must be the third time I've pointed this out. Zar, why won't you reply?

[Zdenek]

Is this just because the word "with" is ambiguous or do you have some other point?

[kuribo]

There is one (1) way of interpreting the last part and that is that you believe there are three remaining scum. With TGAH and absta, that means a total of 4 + traitor.

That's exactly what I said, but then everyone decided I was engaged in idle "setup speculation" rather than scumhunting.

[Zdenek]

Kuribo, same question to you: is this just about the ambiguity of the word "with" or is there something else going on?

[BT]

What's going on is that the first post practically says "I'm playing with the assumption that there are 3 scum remaining" while the replies to people

pointing that out

are "no way, 4+1 would be OP", when 3 scum remaining points to 4+1. I'm not even sure if this is a slip or not... I'm generally lost.

One more thing @ CDB when he reads through everything: you said I was taking an easy stance as scum regarding your wagon. Have you missed #1471? "In general in light of the stronger urges I get from lynching other people + townreads on CDB faltering + CDB's #1452 (mainly the last part which is identical to my own reason for sticking to jason @ D1) I'm thinking this wagon shouldn't happen now." Happened before you started rereading, even.

[kuribo]

Pless - how many of these people do you think are town?

kuribo
Kise
JasonT1981
ChannelDelibird

Well, we're both confident on Jason being town at this point. We don't have a town read on any of the other three.

But I don't think we're

that

good to have pinned the scumteam with the other three, so idk at least one should be scummy town?

:shrug:

~ Zar.

Followed by

I'm assuming we'd have four with a traitor? idk?

~.Zar

The first post implies that three out of the four people listed could be scum, or rather the "entire" scumteam. He didn't say that he thought three of them might be scum, he said that he didn't think he'd "pinned the scumteam" with three out of those four.

Then he said "four with a traitor."

So, my issue with the post is "pinning the scumteam" followed by the use of the word "with"

THEN, possibly trying to backtrack:

absta + X + X + Traitor = 4. A four player scum-team PLUS a traitor would be OP in a 19 player game IMO.

Because with two members down, letting us assume they have less people than they do--- that could be key to their victory. Especially if (and only if) the SK is actually a vig--- they'd need town looking for the SK rather than a remaining scum once four people are dead and the game is still going.

Hence all the "idle setup speculation" on my part. I wanted to figure out if there's balance in 4 + a traitor and town having a vig, rather than 3 + a traitor and the existence of a third party.

And as I showed in Aftermath, if the town has a vig rather than the killer being an SK, 4 + a traitor is entirely possible.

[kuribo]

BT, you must type faster than me

[BT]

I don't think it's necessarily backtracking, because I don't think the reward is that big when they can be caught in a lie for it. It's mainly a big logic lapse that makes 0 sense every time I try and figure out what happened.

You pushing this along with me doesn't help, either~

[kuribo]

You pushing this along with me doesn't help, either~

I was pushing it before you, remember?

[BT]

I do, but that doesn't really change much.

I'm reading through your ISO again. I'm getting the feel that your reads came and went, which seems plausible if you really are town finding it hard to read people but at the same time it doesn't seem like you're really

trying

and

failing

. In the one post where you gave an array of reads, they were all based on feelings without anything indicating where you got those reads from. Your conversations with people are mostly you arguing again their accusations instead of deducing stuff about whoever is accusing you. Right now you're sort of giving up but at the same time following the counterwagons and defending yourself which is plain awkward. Yeah, I think I'm whole with this.

I don't have much time but I'd like to go over some other people as well.

[camn]

I just deleted a rant about this setup talk. It wasnt useful.


But please. . . please stop. It hurts.

[BT]

I'm secondguessing my urge to lynch sotty, not because of the apparently horrible interaction but because I realized my accusations aren't as scum-pointing as I thought they were. I'm willing to go with Jason and company with this, though I still want them to say why they dislike the kuribo wagon (in some detail, since an ISO ctrl+f brings up squat), among other big wagons that they chose not to be a part of.

[kuribo]

If you guys are just going to cockblock every attempt I make at scumhunting, then just lynch me and get it over with.

[kuribo]

and here's the thing, I firmly believe that my wagon has stalled simply because scum is refusing to take part.

Smart scum knows that I'm often kept alive as long as possible to help them mislynch


so either lynch me, or let camn shoot me, or what the fuck ever, but stop saying "he's not scum hunting! get him!" and then not getting him. And stop saying "he's not scumhunting," and then "THAT'S not scumhunting! Get him!" because you're just moving the fucking goalposts at that point.