/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Having said that, as far as Vi is concerned right now, I'd put her as leaning town for the way she's posting: not very defensive, willing to vote ahead of the trend WRT N.

I don't think admitting that Vi is bussing N is a very good strategy, penguin.

[Tierce]

@Tierce ..So Vi, and Shadoweh(shadow being a scum read).. are two people you essentially would never lynch D1. Anyone else on our playlist?

I feel like everyone is an easier read later in the game... why the free pass, I do not get.

Because I clearly have stronger reads. This isn't rocket science.

[Benmage]

Reads change, no? Even in a single day... and lynches require plausibility. You're the one who said these 2 people specifically you wouldn't want to lynch D1 because you can read them better later days. **You didn't simply say you want to pursue your current/better reads.. but that these 2 would essentially be off the table for D1, even though you have Shadoweh as scum.

Again, are there any other players on our playerlist, like Tammy, myself, Empre that you would specifically want to see their play develop?

[Tierce]

...Are you skimming my posts, or what? Yes, reads change, but when I have two strong scumreads that are doing nothing to make themselves look

less

like scum, I'm not about to go out of my way to wagon a person I believe I can read better as time goes on. There is no need for me to spend that effort,

because I already have scumreads

. This isn't a new behavior, you can see me doing it regarding Vi in Otherworld Mafia. I think Shadoweh is easier to figure out on later days, and I am BUSY, so no, I am not about to let N and Konowa go to chase Shadoweh. That would be impressively stupid and cost-inefficient.

And taking into account how busy/V/LA I am, no, I don't need input from people I haven't mentioned, in good part because I am not reading them in full. I mean, seriously,

Empire

? You really aren't reading my posts if you are using him as an example of people I "might" be interested in seeing more from. Empire is Town, the only thing I want from him now is for us to have time to post together and figure stuff out.

It's a Large game, I have a life, and I'm not going to provide reads and/or wagon everyone on D1. Deal with it.

[Tierce]

**You didn't simply say you want to pursue your current/better reads.. but that these 2 would essentially be off the table for D1, even though you have Shadoweh as scum.

Honestly, Benmage. What the hell are you smoking? Yes, Shadoweh might be scum, but no, I don't have confidence on this read and I think it will benefit from maturing. I don't think I can read Vi with

any

degree of accuracy on D1, and in this game we have Empire-Town who is probably the most capable of reading that slot. I'm in no rush.

You're the kind of player who looks on certain others with suspicion when they are alive past a certain Day, so what is your problem that someone else is taking an approach that boils down to the same thing?

I'm out of patience for this line of inquiry. Go bother someone else.

[Shadoweh]

Empire: Read ADwD past Day 5 I think when everyone I liked/that were watching me died and I got extremely bored with posting. It's a game of motivation and optimism! I like to think it's easier to tell then that but I guess I should be happy I actually learned to play scum without being terrible at it.
Pengu: Wagon hoooooooooo *lazy post down*

[Benmage]

It's a Large game, I have a life, and I'm not going to provide reads and/or wagon everyone on D1. Deal with it.

I'm out of patience for this line of inquiry. Go bother someone else.

Tierce go fuck yourself.

This exasperation at my inquiry is quite the theatrics. I aksed a few questions as to why you solely wanted to avoid a couple players. As the reasoning was you get better reads on them for later days.

My point, is everyone becomes better reads later as the game develops. You still haven't answered ****WHO ELSE on the list would fit into the Shadoweh/Vi list of being "untouchable" D1.

I'm not asking for you to attack anyone. I dont get where you jump to me asking you to a full inquiry into these players.

ALL I asked is why did you remove the OPTION completely, and who else would fit in to the removed (criteria).. which I'm still waiting for.

I'm really not asking much here.. I don't get the exasperation. Nor did I ever ask you to stop questioning those you find scummy. (N/Konowoa)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Shadoweh, you should push one of {penguin_alien, Vi, N}.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Benmage, no one else cares. You shouldn't, either.

[Tierce]

It's a Large game, I have a life, and I'm not going to provide reads and/or wagon everyone on D1. Deal with it.

I'm out of patience for this line of inquiry. Go bother someone else.

Tierce go fuck yourself.

This exasperation at my inquiry is quite the theatrics. I aksed a few questions as to why you solely wanted to avoid a couple players. As the reasoning was you get better reads on them for later days.

My point, is everyone becomes better reads later as the game develops. You still haven't answered ****WHO ELSE on the list would fit into the Shadoweh/Vi list of being "untouchable" D1.

I'm not asking for you to attack anyone. I dont get where you jump to me asking you to a full inquiry into these players.

ALL I asked is why did you remove the OPTION completely, and who else would fit in to the removed (criteria).. which I'm still waiting for.

I'm really not asking much here.. I don't get the exasperation. Nor did I ever ask you to stop questioning those you find scummy. (N/Konowoa)

The question wasn't explicit...?

I can't read CES, but that's hardly new either. (>")> Other than that, I don't think there's anyone I particularly feel like becomes clearer as time goes on

by itself

, at least that I've had that experience with.

[Benmage]

Bolding, but I thought it was.

@Tierce ..So Vi, and Shadoweh(shadow being a scum read).. are two people you essentially would never lynch D1.

Anyone else on our playlist?

I feel like everyone is an easier read later in the game... why the free pass, I do not get.

But really, it was the attack that I'm skimming, and the exasperation. When my questioning didn't seem ridiculous, nor time consuming. Mind you... I"M AT WORK. SO we're all fucking busy. And the "go bother someone else".... really... fuck him.

[Tierce]

I'd be perfectly fine with lynching

you

D1, if that's what you're asking~

[Shadoweh]

CES: Votewise CTD is as viable as Pengu right now. I'm not going to vote Vi and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with the way this N wagon is turning out. I still hold hope that the people talking to CTD right now are going to realize he is full of crap and move over.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES: Votewise CTD is as viable as Pengu right now.

That's not true and you're only saying "Votewise" because you know quite well that there is support for a penguinwagon.

People are just going to tune you out if you keep playing the same note.

[DeasVail]

Sorry about my lack of posting. This is the busiest part of the week for me. From what I've seen though, Llamarble's thing on Penguin is probably a better version of what I was trying to say, so yeah, vote Penguin.

[Benmage]

I'd be perfectly fine with lynching

you

D1, if that's what you're asking~

Congratulations you're a bitch. (That is your play style).

GL lynching me D1/ever.

I don't have the personally Tierce bitchy behavior experience. Usually I find her a solid level-headed scumhunter, even if I sometimes misread her as scummy. Tsunami is a Tierce alt aye? (I confuse tierce/tammy at times)

To be honest I'm reading her reaction to me as extremely forced and over the top.

[Empire]

Tierce is town and this is non-negotiable.

More N votes.

[Tierce]

GL lynching me D1/ever.

See, now you hit the crux why I don't even bother trying to read Vi on D1. I know I can't, and I know it's pointless because D1 Vi lynches don't happen. And that last post was well-deserved snark, not being bitchy--so tone down the insults, please.

Tsunami is not my alt. The only alt I have is Tyene Sand, and I'm one half of Jabberwock and Sixty. Everything else is under this username.

[Empire]

Glowing optimism sets in after the realization that CES may actually be right about the scumteam (#447).

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 18

Nachomamma8 (1) - N
penguin_alien (2) - Llamarble, Deasvail
Johhog (2) - Nachomamma8, Tammy

N (5) - Tierce, Vi, CrashTextDummie, Empire, penguin_alien

Vi (2) - Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum
CrashTextDummie (2) - Shadoweh, WickedestJr
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Johhog

Not voting (1) :

Konowa

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)
  
• Tierce is V/la

Cut out the insults, please. Keep it civil.

[Shadoweh]

My eyes are burning from cleaning fluid so I'm probably not going to post tonight. I admit that you're right, CES, and that I will consider moving to penguin soon. He does also have the distinction of having less posts then CTD and I can already see that his posts include:

After Llamarble, my clearest read echos most everyone else's in that Benmage seems town. I don't know what to make of N, but since the only game I've played with him was with him as scum pulling the wool over my eyes with a fake claim, I don't have a personal point of reference for changes in his style since then. Unless he wants to claim cop with an innocent on me, in which case I do promise I won't make the same mistake twice! More seriously, when I played with him as scum, he really worked to keep himself clean in contrast to his play here where he's not working to establish himself as pro-town.

and

Overall, N's posts don't show much scum-hunting and a propensity for side-tracking to my mind. I'm not seeing anything from Llamarble that makes me think town, but N reads rather scummy at present.

UNVOTE: Llamarble
VOTE: N

'he works to keep himself clean, no wait nevermind he's sidetracking and scum.' I also note that he mentioned reading my fine dining work without a read? But eh.

[Vi]

I know it's pointless because D1 Vi lynches don't happen.

They try though.

Gah. I need an hydra buddy or something. I feel like so much of this game is going WOOOOOSH over my head and that I don't know how to play alone anymore. I want to gripe about situations and get someone who reads the parts I skim and the possibility of bouncing ideas back and forth and I just

can't

.

I'm too scatterbrained for this right now, but eventually I'll probably appropriate the thread to act out a decent hydra discussion with Empire and/or Vi. It feels really damned awkward not being able to talk with either of them about the game as it is ongoing and I keep looking at AIM and pining for brainstorms we cannot have. Even when I currently have no idea what I

would

discuss, I feel like I need it.

Firebird feels very lonely and needs someone to hold her hand/wing/talon/whatever.

/)
(caveat the first: totes done this as scum before, with VP Baltar as victim)
(caveat the second: you've read more of the game for comprehension than I have)

Glowing optimism sets in after the realization that CES may actually be right about the scumteam (#447).

You're still new at this. You grow out of it eventually.

--

Vi, Tammy, T/S

You've seen a lot more Tammy-scum than I have, and from what I've heard I'm not going to be good at reading her.

With that said, T.

--

I've noticed in quite a few of my games I've alienated people and gotten myself mislynched, so I'm trying a new thing. I'm not sure what you're exactly expecting from me (have you gotten my meta mixed up with someone else's?), but I can go through the whole thread and make snarky comments if you'd like?

...how is this different? Aside from the greater prevalence of useless posts. On that note,

I don't think I am

[fluffy]

. Am I?

Yes. And I am

very

fluffy.

--

Is there a reason people are ignoring Wickedestjr?

Especially with those glasses.

[penguin_alien]

Shadoweh, I was mostly looking for tips on being an SK in that set-up given the quirky role reveal mechanic. Nothing's pinging with your play as congruent with your posts there,so nothing really to say.

And yes, my initial take on N was based on my past play with him. His current play looks scummy to me independent of meta considerations.

[N]

Oh, is that it? He's sheeping Teirce. Huh, no wonder I missed it.

This isn't a stance on Vi.

I know that and I never said it was. You asked me how I felt about Vi's vote, and I feel that it is sheeping.

[Empire]

I know that and I never said it was. You asked me how I felt about Vi's vote, and I feel that it is sheeping.

Yeah, ok.

More votes on this guy, please and thanks.