/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[DeasVail]

Tammy, I don't know, but I think the fact that his play was apparently completely different there would help him feel more confident, and I'm a bit more leaning town than I was too.

Penguin, I meant your second post of the game (I think).

Completely caught up now. I still think Penguin-scum, and I'm still feeling ehhh about the N wagon.

Empire, why do you think it took so long for Konowa to come up with the reason for saying Tierce-town? That's the main problem I'm having right now.

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 20

Nachomamma8 (1) - N
penguin_alien (3) - Llamarble, Deasvail, Konowa
Johhog (2) - Nachomamma8, Tammy

N (5) - Tierce, Vi, CrashTextDummie, Empire, penguin_alien

Vi (2) - Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum
CrashTextDummie (2) - Shadoweh, WickedestJr
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Johhog

Not voting (0) :

NO ONE

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)
  
• Tierce and Nachomamma8 are V/la

[Konowa]

Instead of appealing to Empire, why not ask me directly?

[Konowa]

Like, I don't understand the relevance, or anything indicative, of asking Empire why -he- thinks it took -me- "so long to come up with the reason for Tierce-Town". Phrasing (why it took Konowa so long to come up with the reason for Tierce-Town) makes it seem that you don't believe my reasoning. If this is correct, again why not address me directly about it?

[N]

VOTE: CTD

Benmage and Wicked are probably town. Tierce is driving me crazy, but that's okay. I'd rather lynch Empire at this stage, but I know that's not going to happen.

And Nacho is still actually scum.

[Empire]

VOTE: CTD

Benmage and Wicked are probably town. Tierce is driving me crazy, but that's okay. I'd rather lynch Empire at this stage, but I know that's not going to happen.

And Nacho is still actually scum.

(You should self-vote. Alternatively, commit to the bus on penguin.)

[Empire]

Konowa, I still think you should answer the question directed at me, though.

[Vi]

Actually, what is your take on pengualien, N?

[penguin_alien]

DeasVail, I commented on your gambit as a whole since it was played out by the time I had a chance to post. You then asked me to elaborate on my initial reaction to your first post, then said I thought it out too much. Rather frustrating.

N, why CTD? Why not present your case on Empire?

[DeasVail]

I think Llamarble explained it better than me 436. There's also the fact that considering the reactions to my vote, I don't think it seemed like continuing with it was a good idea, and that's what I meant by you just saying stuff.

[Johhog]

Konowa, I still think you should answer the question directed at me, though.

You're acting very differently from that town game we played together too. Why?

[Empire]

You're acting very differently from that town game we played together too. Why?

Already went over this here.

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Tammy, thoughts on Johhog's play in TM 2012 White Flag? Wish I had a scum game to compare it to but the only ones I found were all newbie games.

[Shadoweh]

Stuff moved in: should be able to make real posts tomorrow. I've at least been reading over the game though.
Deasvail: Which parts of the N wagon are eh? There are two obvious ones but other then that? Nlow that the coffee is kicking in and I'm not screaming at him I'm kind of resigned to Empire-Town so there isn't much room for error on there.
N: I know this is weird for me to be the one asking, but why are you voting CTD? Looking over your posts you uh, never mention him anywhere? I mean even the penguin is posing the obvious question here. 'Wicked and Benmage are town' don't answer the question either.

It would be ironic if I was the only one not voting N but I really don't feel like this being a one-wagon pony and somehow I don't think N's stellar contribution is going to help this take off so:

##Unvote
##Vote: penguin_alien

I MIGHT CHANGE MY MIND FOR A SONG THOUGH.

[DeasVail]

The main thing still is for me that I don't think it's very likely that this is the approach he'd take as scum. I'm not that sure about this and I kind of don't want to push against his wagon too hard, but it's enough for me to not be interested in the wagon.

[Konowa]

Konowa, I still think you should answer the question directed at me, though.

Once DV responds to my question and makes it so his isn't loaded.

[Nachomamma8]

He kinda is trying to get away with doing nothing so far though.

So far, sure. But a casual start is a casual start; it's not worth the wagon he currently has on him.

Opinion on CTD, lynch yes/no/maybe?

yes. but not now.

My impression of N is different? I remember in Black Flag he was outing reads and stuff but mostly just attacking easy targets, was rather lurkerish, and had a hard time dealing with the stronger players in the room (for example, he spent most of the game tunneling/getting into a huge fight with JesseSheffield) so I think it would make sense for Nscum to have a hard time producing content with this strong of a roster.

Exactly. How is that anything like the N we're seeing here? He's taunting Tierce, flagrantly dismissing major wagons, not tunneling at all.....

Team Mafia was such a perfect storm. I don't expect a game with that high a rhetoric:scumhunting ratio to come around for me for a while.

Benmage, the change that 'marble mentioned predates this game (see norlkaz) so it's not a tell.

Am I seeing things or is this what a CES towntell looks like?

Anyone?

(I want to be the first to claim this marvelous discovery if true.)

If you see something in here, I'll be impressed.

I vote Johhog and say it's partly because he feels different from when he was town.

He says there could be a reason for that.

Votes someone else for the same reason. >_>

COUGH COUGH COUCH COUGH

A developing wagon on him should be something to care about.

Not if it's founded on bullshit. No one cares about cases on bullshit because they don't feel like they've done anything wrong when they are lynched.

Your case against me is terrible and your quality of scumhunting/post count ratio is abysmal. Please let me know if you're planning on continuing to tunnel me so I can ignore you for the time being. Kthxbai.

Why do you think Shadoweh is town?

bm, ces, ctd, dv, nacho, pa, shadoweh, vi

explain johhog and llamarble townreads, please.

I MIGHT CHANGE MY MIND FOR A SONG THOUGH.

both wagons are on people I feel I can read decently, given time
can we start a counterwagon on CTD/johhog, please?

[Empire]

Busy today. Content tomorrow.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

can we start a counterwagon on CTD/johhog, please?

No.

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 21

penguin_alien (4) - Llamarble, Deasvail, Konowa, Shadoweh
Johhog (2) - Nachomamma8, Tammy

N (5) - Tierce, Vi, CrashTextDummie, Empire, penguin_alien

Vi (2) - Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum
CrashTextDummie (2) - WickedestJr, N
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Johhog

Not voting (0) :

NO ONE

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)
  
• Tierce is V/la

Prodding Llamarble

[Shadoweh]

Nacho: Tried that, it's clearly not happening. Johhog even less. You even said so. :V
DV: So you're okay with the people on the wagon but you think he's town anyway, basically?

[Nachomamma8]

I said he wasn't today's lynch initially. I changed my mind throughout the course of that post.

Unvote, Vote: CTD

[Tierce]

/}

Paris is cold and wheeee I don't care about this game at present. See you on the 1st. Maybe. Something. Lynching N is a good plan.

CES, you know that wagon ain't going nowhere. Stop being silly.

[CrashTextDummie]

A developing wagon on him should be something to care about.

Not if it's founded on bullshit. No one cares about cases on bullshit because they don't feel like they've done anything wrong when they are lynched.

- N has failed to contribute anything of worth to the proceedings for the majority of the day (up until his wagon started). He did voice weak support for the Llamarble wagon or a Johhog wagon, but he did not do so with his vote, electing instead to sit pretty on a useless Nachovote. He refused to take a stance on the penguin wagon.
- There was actually a decided spike in activity from him ever since he has come under attack, he seemed to have cared quite a lot about this "bullshit case". His contributions continue to be shallow though. There is no evidence that his vote on me is anything but OMGUS, and the same goes for the rest of his suspicions (sans Nacho).
- He has refused to answer more than one direct request for reads he claims to have.

That is

not

a bullshit case. N is playing a scum game.

Your case against me is terrible and your quality of scumhunting/post count ratio is abysmal. Please let me know if you're planning on continuing to tunnel me so I can ignore you for the time being. Kthxbai.

Why do you think Shadoweh is town?

You are clearly paying a lot of attention.

[Nachomamma8]

N has failed to contribute anything of worth to the proceedings for the majority of the day (up until his wagon started). He did voice weak support for the Llamarble wagon or a Johhog wagon, but he did not do so with his vote, electing instead to sit pretty on a useless Nachovote. He refused to take a stance on the penguin wagon.

Why does any of this make him scum?

There was actually a decided spike in activity from him ever since he has come under attack, he seemed to have cared quite a lot about this "bullshit case". His contributions continue to be shallow though. There is no evidence that his vote on me is anything but OMGUS, and the same goes for the rest of his suspicions (sans Nacho).

Of course there was a spike in activity from him when people started giving him more things to respond to; that doesn't mean he gives a shit about the wagon on him. There is no evidence that his vote on you is anything but OMGUS, but that doesn't matter as far as his alignment is concerned. Why do you think he sprung for you instead of the penguin wagon? Do you think he's afraid to bus?

He has refused to answer more than one direct request for reads he claims to have.

Why do this as scum?

You are clearly paying a lot of attention.

Why do you treat Shadoweh like she's misguided town in that quote? Why aren't you voting her?

[Llamarble]

Unfortunately I have been a bit busy to wind up properly, but I'll do my best to make sure scum gets lynched todayTHESHRIMPFUCKSTHECABBAGE.
N is too potentially town to be a good lynch today.
He's reacting to his wagon by scumhunting (well a little anyway), which is always an excellent sign and his vote is fairly independent rather than sitting on the most obvious alternative to himself (Penguin).
At this point he pattern matches as town for me too, likely due to loose / assertive play.

I don't see CTD as a bad player to be voting for.
Johhog doesn't seem as likely to flip scum.
I don't burn for Penguin's blood quite as much as I did earlier. Maybe I was wrong. Definitely maybe wrong not definitely wrong, but yeah.

Jester accusing CTD of bussing felt kinda like Jester bussing CTD.

I feel pretty sharp right now, so I am probably right about stuff. Except my reads are inconclusive so there's not much to be right about.
Actually this went from an everybody seems scum session to an everybody seems town session.
I should be able to get one more round of analysis in before the big push to make sure we lynch something that makes sense.
I would probably have deleted this post if I hadn't been prodded today.

OK I will go through again...
Benmage - meh. Not a strong townread anymore due to his manner of tapering off and the fact that his posts do have the fakeable characteristic.
CES is also dubious but definitely could be town.
CTD actually doesn't look like that good of a lynch. I still think "llamarble wagon is interesting" is a town line of thought. I prefer my lynches to be on people who :WILL: flip scum when its at all possible
DV - town?
Empire - could be scum but probably isn't

All I want is ONE positive

Konowa can work as scum if I can force myself to get over 47, which I might be able to

Yeah, I got nothing.
Today won't be a marble chooses a lynch and makes it happen day unless my next round goes really well.

I think I prefer CTD over Penguin or N at the moment.
VOTE: CTD