Mini 1433 - State Farm Mafia - Game over

[RandomYoshi]

great town-post

i congratulate you on taking your efforts to compose that post

Now I want to see a full list of reads, each one thoroughly explained.

[RandomYoshi]

^^town

why

[kashoodles]

@kash - it's just something I usually ask possible scum reads.
How much scum experience do you have?

Zdnek doesn't have to explain anything that Xeg has done. All he has to do is 1)Make up some reads.
2) Get lynched.

I have played as scum once back when I was around in 2008. We lost, but it was also a themed game and things were (literally) exploding everywhere. I haven't finished a game since re-joining in 2013 so I can't really talk about those but you can browse through them if you want.

I'm not asking Zdnek to explain anything Xeg has done, though I guess my I Love Lucy joke comment made it seem like that. It's more "Why

Why do you find me (possibly) scummy? You seemed suspicious of me jumping off the Xeg wagon in #240 but seem to be putting words into my mouth about wanting to vote IFM. I said I found the IFM

wagon

interesting, not that I thought IFM was scummy, hence why I asked Hikari why he was voting for IFM. You made a big deal about Xeg twisting your words but are doing the same?

[kashoodles]

Oops. I suck at finishing sentences before starting new thoughts.

I'm not asking Zdnek to explain anything Xeg has done, though I guess my I Love Lucy joke comment made it seem like that. It's more "Why do you think there is a huge pressure on you now and who do you find scummy?"

[RandomYoshi]

why isn't anyone pressuring absta

he needs it to continue existing on the surface of the Earth, apparently

[RandomYoshi]

kashoodles, what are your reads?

[RandomYoshi]

@Mod: VCs, please.

[kashoodles]

kashoodles, what are your reads?

Going to do another read through, but currently:

My gut OMGUS at the moment is absta, but I don't think that would make sense. He's been really harsh on Xeg and Xeg had been dodge-y previously and their back and forth seems like they haven't interacted with each other. Could be town-town, but getting scum from both of them, so I think it's a scum-town relationship. Lurker's reaction to my questioning has led me to a town-ish feel, though his previous actions really seem scummy as fuck.

Zoidberg I read town-ish - though their reasonings are short, their statements are too polarizing for confident day 1 scum. I feel similarly about Bacde, though the Hiraki/Bacde back and forth seems weird, though I honestly haven't looked too deeply in either of their posts. Rev I feel is town who got stuck in a weird KBW insulting situation. IFM I really haven't read much about either but has been posting pretty town since BEF left. MM was pretty quiet this game, which was weird, but she did mention being in too many games. RachMarie replaced someone who didn't post much at all. Haven't gotten too much from her either. SafetyDance I feel has been somewhat going under the radar - someone I really do want to focus in on more. Nothing he's said has been particularly scummy, but I also feel like he's lurking during the best situations and pops in once in a while.

[kashoodles]

Oh, and I am still waiting to hear back from KBW, because I have no idea what the fuck that was.

[RandomYoshi]

Rev, if KBW probably isn't Scum, why are you still on his bandwagon?

[Jake from State Farm]

Vote Count 1.07
RachMarie -
Revenus -
Hiraki -
RandomYoshil -
Doctor Zoidberg MD -
Bacde -
Lurker - RachMarie, Bacde (L-5)
absta101 - Zdenek, RandomYoshi (L-5)
SafetyDance -
Kashoodles -
Zdenek - absta101, kashoodles (L-5)

Keybladeweilder -SafetyDance, IFM, Lurker, Revenus (L-3)

IFM - Doctor Zoidberg MD, Hiraki, keybladewielder (L-4)

Not Voting:

Keybladewielder has been prodded

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-05 11:30:00)

I am human and can make mistakes, if you see an error with the vote count please let me know

[Revenus]

Rev, if KBW probably isn't Scum, why are you still on his bandwagon?

When did I ever say this?

[Zdenek]

First 5 pages:

Maran is maybe scum for trying to sow the seed of doubt about DZMD early on.

Absta looks okay early on being aggressive. Well, then he votes KBW while attacking BEF who KBD is voting, which up to that post is the scummiest thing in the game.

It looks more like an act, like he's trying to 'troll'/look dumb.

And you don't think that this is scummy?

Rev is maybe scum for deciding to be useless early. Rev's 89 is pretty legit, especially when someone's calling him town because of meta. He also comes out looking much better than KBW in their interaction.

Hiraki's first post is lame. His jumping from Bacde being a last resort lynch to requiring death is bad. I feel like Hiraki attacking Bacde for scum hunting on page 3, but we'll see what comes of this.

Brighteyedfish voting for Marangal just to keep the wagons even is terrible. His coming under pressure and then replacing out is also pretty bad.

I dislike SafetyDance arguing on behalf of Absta. His stance on idiots is going to be tough to uphold. I also do not like that SafetyDance did not have an issue with Hiraki pointing out that BEF replacing out is scummy, but then immediately votes for KBW when he votes for BEF.

I have town reads on Bacde and DRZMD, but I also don't find that surprising considering the players behind the slots.

[Zdenek]

Through 10 pages:

IFM did the Amished-tell- reading his own slot, to see why it's under pressure. On the other hand he also attacked KBW, so we'll see.

Lurker's vote on KBW seems pretty well reasoned.

After page 6, I'd be ready to vote KBW.

Kashoodles looks ok on page 6.

But then I dislike Kashoodle criticizing Bacde's vote on Xeg who she is also voting.

Kashoodles why did it matter whether Bacde voted before or after Absta here?

rev goes to the town list.
I see DRZMD disagrees, but I also don't understand their read on KBW, so I goes.

Absta explaining that he didn't vote Xeg because the wagon wasn't viable early on is cop out.

Bacde, I don't see how anyone could be reading Absta as town.

I think it's likely that you are both town.

This seems like a pretty unjustified double town read.

Kashoodles could you explain your read on Keyblade around page 7?

SafetyDance, I think that it is false that neighborhoods are always random.

[absta101]

Ahhh, thank you for reminding me. IFM is very likely town due to how BEF was acting.

Also, town will lose this game. Xeg replaces out and now no one is voting him. I wouldn't be surprised if Kash was his partner as well.
If you guys decide to lynch me, just lynch these two next and I'll be happy.

[kashoodles]

@Mod: Zdenek replaced in for Xeg, correct? If so, my vote should be on Zdenek since my previous vote was on Xeg.

fixed

Kashoodles looks ok on page 6.

But then I dislike Kashoodle criticizing Bacde's vote on Xeg who she is also voting.

Kashoodles why did it matter whether Bacde voted before or after Absta here?

I think it's likely that you are both town.

This seems like a pretty unjustified double town read.

Kashoodles could you explain your read on Keyblade around page 7?

SafetyDance, I think that it is false that neighborhoods are always random.

On Bacde, he wasn't particularly on the Xeg case. He did question Xeg's noobiness in #115 but then immediately jumped on absta's vote. I found that a bit opportunistic and weird. He explains it in #202 but hadn't explained it before just voting. His reasoning was pretty solid, but again, he didn't mention any of this before his vote.

My read? I honestly don't know, at all. I don't understand why scum would do this, but I certainly don't know why town would do this. It's just rude and irrelevant and doesn't make any sense to me, so I want to know why. KBW never really responded and has since sort of disappeared. Everyone surrounding him (besides Rev) have pretty much called him frustrated town since then, which I also don't understand because he was the one who started the whole thing. I find no motivation from this whole thing, but am curious as to why he's so dead set on Rev.

Ahhh, thank you for reminding me. IFM is very likely town due to how BEF was acting.

Also, town will lose this game. Xeg replaces out and now no one is voting him. I wouldn't be surprised if Kash was his partner as well.
If you guys decide to lynch me, just lynch these two next and I'll be happy.

Can you explain why? You have yet to give me any concrete reasoning for why you feel this way outside of "possible scum feeling." You also never answered why you misrep-ed my questioning Hiraki about his IFM vote as a "jump of the Xeg wagon." It feels like you know something about the Xeg lynch that I don't and are trying to pin any mislynch on me.

[absta101]

What do you mean by "pin a mislynch on me"? Xeg isn't mislynch...
Why would I misrep you there anyway?

I must've misunderstood you. It seemed as if you were trying to leave the Xeg waggon after Hiraki (would have) told you why IFM was scummy.

It feels like you know something about the Xeg lynch that I don't...

Yeah, maybe i'm Xeg's scum partner. Or, maybe you are?

[RandomYoshi]

Rev, if KBW probably isn't Scum, why are you still on his bandwagon?

When did I ever say this?

KBW is scummy for his flame war, his terrible reaction to getting voted (he jumped and demanded reasons for getting voted while simultaneously voting me with no reason except that he doesn't like me while also claiming I was doing scummy things which he later retracted), and finally his switching to a more convenient wagon when people started questioning why he was voting so stupidly.

However

I will agree in principle that Lurker needs to step it up; he's so far just called KBW scummy while rehashing other people's cases on the dude, and also mentioned me as scum (not sure why, since he didn't explain, but ok). These are the only two people he's mentioned at all, besides for randomly addressing only kash at #211.


tl;dr They probably aren't both scum.

In case that I don't completely suck at reading comprehension, that TL;DR refers to KBW and Lurker.

@absta: kash feels pretty Town to me. Why do you think he isn't?

[RandomYoshi]

Rach, what are your reads?

[RandomYoshi]

My gut OMGUS at the moment is absta, but I don't think that would make sense. He's been really harsh on Xeg and Xeg had been dodge-y previously and their back and forth seems like they haven't interacted with each other. Could be town-town, but getting scum from both of them, so I think it's a scum-town relationship.

In case it's a Scum-Town relationship, who is the Scum and who is the Town?

[RandomYoshi]

@Mod: Doctor Zoidberg MD needs a prod.

sending one now, he just hit 48 hours like an hour ago lol

[RandomYoshi]

If Key were to flip scum, IFM would be conf town. Either one of them are good lynches. BEF (IFM) was playing differently to his newbie game, as I said earlier, so his slot could still be scum as well.

Does anyone know in what kind of games both the neighbourhood players would be town?

		N1	N1
		Town	Scum
N2	Town	TT	ST
N2	Scum	TS	SS

Neighborhoods are (with exceptions you can't factor into) always random. So there's a standard 25% that the neighborhood is Town/Town. Then you add in all the 3-4/13 + 9-10/13 fractions or whatever to work out what that really is but that sort of maths is not something I do for fun. Bottom line is don't presume anything and read them normally regardless.

hello not understanding balanced setups
because Neighbours are totally randomised, yup
this is also IIoA as shit and incredibly nitpick-y

[Revenus]

In case that I don't completely suck at reading comprehension, that TL;DR refers to KBW and Lurker.

Where does that say I don't think KBW is scum anymore.

I said they BOTH aren't probably scum. Is my vote on Lurker? No. Therefore, infer as you will.

[RandomYoshi]

My bad, I must have misunderstood your post. I took it like you were thinking that neither KBW nor Lurker were Scum.

Anyhow, any other suspects you have?

[Doctor Zoidberg MD]

Xeg was active lurking before he went V/LA, posting in other games but not here. I forgot to say.

Please provide data, would be willing to vote Xeg on the basis of this information.

-DGB