Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[fferyllt]

I think it's weird that fery doesn't have a read on syr considering how much he's posted versus say bacon

idk I think there could be a trillion different explanations for that.

Fery, gun to your head, which way does Syr lean?

quote fail. here.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah but I never told you to vote him

[fferyllt]

Then what did you mean by that post?

[AngryPidgeon]

Vote Count 1.14

buldermar [2/5] - Lurker, SafetyDance
fferyllt [2/5] - Deltabacon, Nero
Nero [1/5] - fferyllt
Lurker [1/5] - orcinus_theoriginal
pitoli [1/5] - Syryana

Pacifists (Not Voting): pitoli, buldermar

Deadline: April 16th at Noon (GMT-8)

(expired on 2013-04-16 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

*Deltabacon is V/LA through the 7th
*This is probably the longest D1 of a micro game ever

[fferyllt]

awesome. so glad we got that sorted.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I asked you what your guess on syr's alignment was

[fferyllt]

What was the gun to your head comment meant to convey? I read it as "answer this as I think you should, or else".

[orcinus_theoriginal]

No. You kept syr in a null pile the entire game, so if I asked you straight out, I expected a "judgement pending" answer. I wanted to force you to give me a lean on syr.

Gun comment was to force you to take a stance on syryana

[fferyllt]

He's been in different piles at various points in the game. I doubt I've made a post about it every time he or anyone else has moved. I've spent way too much of this game so far defending myself and answering questions about my own posts to keep up a running commentary on every eye-twitch about other players, unfortunately.

Right now, I'm leaning town re him.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah I noticed

Who do you want to lynch today?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If its still the pile of lurker/Nero/bacon, lynch lurker

[fferyllt]

My vote's currently on Nero and I can't think of anything he's posted that convinces me even a tiny bit that he is playing for a town win. I have no idea at all about Lurker. pitoli's posts have really been here and there. Some good ones that seem to be coming from a town place, and some that have raised concern. But...5 games or whatever. How much clearly town behavior can realistically be expected from someone with 5 games under their belt?

Realistically, my posts are mixed bag too, but increase the quantity by an order of magnitude.

I need more data from the people who have been minimally present. If we had to decide in the next day, I'd probably either stick with Nero or switch to Lurker.

Wrote this up and realized that I'd completely forgotten Deltabacon. Leaning scum on him but it's mostly because he's not been around to explain/defend his vote or to get any sort of interaction with.

[fferyllt]

Why lurker? post count to content ratio? The hit and run vote on buldermar?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If we're going to PL I'd rather lurker over Nero

Nero actually looks like he's been trying (more do than his other games). I think Lurker will be flat out impossible to read. That and I don't like how lurker has been flying under the radar and Nero getting the PL flak when from an objective standpoint lurker is probably a more defendable PL target

Your pitoli argument also applies to Nero jsyk.

SD needs to go back to null I think

Pedit sure

[orcinus_theoriginal]

As a side note something that I thought of: if fery were scum it would be very strange of her to town read me given that I'm generally an easy wagon to drive and since fery evidently thinks my town game is decent (her opinion, not mine)

[buldermar]

After reading ff's claim and thinking about it, I decided that it's unlikely to be made up. Bulder's probably gonna shit on me for this, but I don't see scumFF dropping a name like Kara when pretending to be a VT. My first thought was "Kara Thrace, VT, lolnowai". Kat, Dualla, Callie, hell even Tori or Ellen Tigh would be a better name drop for a VT. She goes with Kara though, and the more I thought about it the less sense a scum VT claim would use Kara makes. Claim a PR or claim an obvious VT role, but claiming a great possible PR name and claiming VT makes zero sense from a scum perspective.

It makes perfect sense if it prevents you from getting lynched, which is what it presently seems to do. I'm inclined to just disregard it, but I find the fact that she's trying to use it as a town-tell on herself troublesome.

[buldermar]

This led into my Buldermar vote. The guy went from WKing FF hardcore to now (if I'm getting info from his quotewalls correctly) wanting to have her lynched most of all. What most prompted my vote was his apparent obtuseness in dealing with her claim; he seemed to be twisting it to get her lynched at any cost. That and the 180 from WKer to guy with the rope was what prompted my vote at the time.

I think this is a rather biased presentation. I never claimed to have a town read on her in the first place and getting tedious that you, her and possibly others insist that because I point out her skills it necessarily means I think she's town.

[buldermar]

I liked pitoli's responses to her initial wagon and I was leaning towards town, but I really don't like her #517. She calls me opportunistic scum for "voting buldermar as soon as available so it wouldn't look like I was backing off FF". That's an awful case. Opportunistic scum would have left FF at L-1 and waited for a hammer. Not only that, but scum backing off a case to side with the person he made the case against to lynch someone else with no votes on them is madness. Also, even though she says I'm a good idea for a day lynch, she doesn't vote for me. Feels like she's testing the waters with her case before she dives in and votes me.

In short, Pitoli, Nero or Lurker.
VOTE: pitoli

I too didn't like 517. I still don't think pitoli is a good lynch, though.

[buldermar]

I like pitoli for a lynch today, or Nero. Pitoli's keeps saying these scummy things and Nero's one of the most anti-town players I've ever come across.

I'm not as sold on Lurker yet. I played a game with him before and he played a lot like he's doing right now. Want to see his justification on buldermar before deciding.

Nero lynch I'm all down for, but I'm probably slightly biased because he's an obnoxious shithead. Still, I can't wrap my head around why any town player would deliberately play in this obstructive of a manner. It's like he's made it a goal to play as anti-town as possible.

[buldermar]

And if it isn't obvious already, I liked 536.

[buldermar]

Syryana is probably the same alignment as fery

Hmm could you elaborate just a bit more on this? I think I why you'd say this but I want to make sure.

[buldermar]

I'm town.

I seriously don't get why you insist on repeating this over and over.

[buldermar]

Then what did you mean by that post?

He wanted you to read him as either scum or town I think.

[buldermar]

As a side note something that I thought of: if fery were scum it would be very strange of her to town read me given that I'm generally an easy wagon to drive and since fery evidently thinks my town game is decent (her opinion, not mine)

I don't think her town game deviates from her scum game that early on. At least not in this manner.

[buldermar]

VOTE: Nero

I feel like there is little to no chance of ff being scum if Nero flips scum, and I think Nero is looking terrible in the first place.