Micro 152 - BSG Mafia (Galactica Survives?)

[buldermar]

pitoli, orc & buld are town

Which source this time?

[Nero]

I only have exterior sources regarding SD. I stated that explicitly.

[Nero]

There are purely reads I have gained through rereading the proceedings of the day.

[pitoli]

I never know what to make of the reactions you get after a townie dies.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fuck.

Buldermar's scum isn't he.

[fferyllt]

My hackles raise at what I perceive as reverse cheerleading, but the twilight mechanic makes it almost inevitable that there will be posts like that. And I've been surprised how many players reverse-cheerlead in recent games.

I learned the concept of cheerleading from the mafiascum wiki years ago. I'm surprised that so many people do it and there aren't more repercussions.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

[pitoli]

My hackles raise at what I perceive as reverse cheerleading, but the twilight mechanic makes it almost inevitable that there will be posts like that. And I've been surprised how many players reverse-cheerlead in recent games.

Could you explain, I'm not familiar with the term, and can't find it on google.

Ah fuck gonna be late to class...

[fferyllt]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

He's obsessive about being right. Or in this case, about being justified in being wrong - i.e., it's my fault entirely that he thought I was scum. It pings for me too, but I have seen him argue long past when there's an utility in continuing in other games. It wasn't a twilight situation, though.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ugh but then

The WKing is too blatant


Did Buldermar and I ever call you ideal lynch at the same time

[fferyllt]

My hackles raise at what I perceive as reverse cheerleading, but the twilight mechanic makes it almost inevitable that there will be posts like that. And I've been surprised how many players reverse-cheerlead in recent games.

Could you explain, I'm not familiar with the term, and can't find it on google.

Ah fuck gonna be late to class...

Classic cheerleading is things like reacting to a daybreak post with something like "good work doc", "awesome vig work" etc.* Reverse cheerleading is being vocal about being sad or disappointed by something going wrong for town.

*however sometimes a town night action has unexpected and game-changing results. In cases like that, sometimes a town player will do something that looks "cheerleader"-like. Like most tells, context matters and it's just one piece of the puzzle about a player.

[fferyllt]

Ugh but then

The WKing is too blatant


Did Buldermar and I ever call you ideal lynch at the same time

I don't think so.

[buldermar]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

Act like what? I'd point out where you're wrong, but I don't even get what the fuck it is you're convinced that you're seing.

[pitoli]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

Act like what? I'd point out where you're wrong, but I don't even get what the fuck it is you're convinced that you're seing.

Act like you were right to push the lynch, despite fery's town flip.

[buldermar]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

He's obsessive about being right. Or in this case, about being justified in being wrong - i.e., it's my fault entirely that he thought I was scum. It pings for me too, but I have seen him argue long past when there's an utility in continuing in other games. It wasn't a twilight situation, though.

I don't feel like this is entirely fair. I pointed out where I think I made a critical mistake in my analysis. I do think that much of my skepticism regarding you stems from your sudden change in opinion with respect to me. I'm not insisting that it's entirely your fault that I thought you were scum.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ugh but then

The WKing is too blatant


Did Buldermar and I ever call you ideal lynch at the same time

I don't think so.

...he's probably town then. my memory got a bit screwy. I remembered him calling you for the lynch with me, and then when I jumped off and others hopped on he continued driving the wagon.

Okay.

Okay.

I know what I'm doing now.

Pedit: Well no pit. It's okay though.

[buldermar]

Ugh but then

The WKing is too blatant


Did Buldermar and I ever call you ideal lynch at the same time

I don't think so.

I don't think so either.

[buldermar]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

Act like what? I'd point out where you're wrong, but I don't even get what the fuck it is you're convinced that you're seing.

Act like you were right to push the lynch, despite fery's town flip.

Well obviously given the result I wasn't right, but at the same time it is not entirely obvious to me where I should have thought differently about something, aside from maybe one or two posts that were very decisive for my opinion.

[buldermar]

ff, do you think it's unlikely that there was a scum on your wagon? I still think Nero looks bad.

[pitoli]

My hackles raise at what I perceive as reverse cheerleading, but the twilight mechanic makes it almost inevitable that there will be posts like that. And I've been surprised how many players reverse-cheerlead in recent games.

Could you explain, I'm not familiar with the term, and can't find it on google.

Ah fuck gonna be late to class...

Classic cheerleading is things like reacting to a daybreak post with something like "good work doc", "awesome vig work" etc.* Reverse cheerleading is being vocal about being sad or disappointed by something going wrong for town.

Oh. Yes this happens. I want to punch every one of my friends that blurts this as mafia IRL games.

[fferyllt]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

He's obsessive about being right. Or in this case, about being justified in being wrong - i.e., it's my fault entirely that he thought I was scum. It pings for me too, but I have seen him argue long past when there's an utility in continuing in other games. It wasn't a twilight situation, though.

I don't feel like this is entirely fair. I pointed out where I think I made a critical mistake in my analysis. I do think that much of my skepticism regarding you stems from your sudden change in opinion with respect to me. I'm not insisting that it's entirely your fault that I thought you were scum.

24 hour game days do not lend themselves to deliberateness. My play-style is abrupt, abrasive and mercurial because that's what it takes to sort someone quickly. Apply pressure, test, move on for now if the reaction looks town. You were the player I felt was hardest to read and most dangerous if scum. That made you a priority, and it preloaded a ton of suspicion and paranoia about you. Next game, it may not take as much to convince me because this game becomes a baseline.

One thing I've seen over and over again is that my test/sort process tends to freak players out, and the people I go after for a while often come out the other end convinced I have to be scum, esp if they have little game experience with me.

You really haven't seen this aspect of my game elsewhere. I've been on a bizarre roll for several months there. My first tests have hit scum players for several games in a row.

[fferyllt]

ff, do you think it's unlikely that there was a scum on your wagon? I still think Nero looks bad.

I'm agnostic on this. of the players on the wagon Nero looks worst, but I can totally see scum standing back to watch two town wagons compete. But, if scum split up on town-wagons, Nero looks bad and so does lurker if you are town.

[buldermar]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

He's obsessive about being right. Or in this case, about being justified in being wrong - i.e., it's my fault entirely that he thought I was scum. It pings for me too, but I have seen him argue long past when there's an utility in continuing in other games. It wasn't a twilight situation, though.

I don't feel like this is entirely fair. I pointed out where I think I made a critical mistake in my analysis. I do think that much of my skepticism regarding you stems from your sudden change in opinion with respect to me. I'm not insisting that it's entirely your fault that I thought you were scum.

24 hour game days do not lend themselves to deliberateness. My play-style is abrupt, abrasive and mercurial because that's what it takes to sort someone quickly. Apply pressure, test, move on for now if the reaction looks town. You were the player I felt was hardest to read and most dangerous if scum. That made you a priority, and it preloaded a ton of suspicion and paranoia about you. Next game, it may not take as much to convince me because this game becomes a baseline.

One thing I've seen over and over again is that my test/sort process tends to freak players out, and the people I go after for a while often come out the other end convinced I have to be scum, esp if they have little game experience with me.

You really haven't seen this aspect of my game elsewhere. I've been on a bizarre roll for several months there. My first tests have hit scum players for several games in a row.

In one game I played with Nacho, I just decided to assume that he was town and play the game accordingly because I thought I'd be spending too much time trying to figure him out - time that could be better spent on people easier to read. Perhaps I should have just done that this game.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I may or may not be doing that same thing to buldermar.

[fferyllt]

Why would buldermar act like that after you turned town?

There's absolutely no point to continue acting like town for such an extended period of time.

Why why why where is the motivation

Scum defending a lynch.


Fuck.

He's obsessive about being right. Or in this case, about being justified in being wrong - i.e., it's my fault entirely that he thought I was scum. It pings for me too, but I have seen him argue long past when there's an utility in continuing in other games. It wasn't a twilight situation, though.

I don't feel like this is entirely fair. I pointed out where I think I made a critical mistake in my analysis. I do think that much of my skepticism regarding you stems from your sudden change in opinion with respect to me. I'm not insisting that it's entirely your fault that I thought you were scum.

24 hour game days do not lend themselves to deliberateness. My play-style is abrupt, abrasive and mercurial because that's what it takes to sort someone quickly. Apply pressure, test, move on for now if the reaction looks town. You were the player I felt was hardest to read and most dangerous if scum. That made you a priority, and it preloaded a ton of suspicion and paranoia about you. Next game, it may not take as much to convince me because this game becomes a baseline.

One thing I've seen over and over again is that my test/sort process tends to freak players out, and the people I go after for a while often come out the other end convinced I have to be scum, esp if they have little game experience with me.

You really haven't seen this aspect of my game elsewhere. I've been on a bizarre roll for several months there. My first tests have hit scum players for several games in a row.

In one game I played with Nacho, I just decided to assume that he was town and play the game accordingly because I thought I'd be spending too much time trying to figure him out - time that could be better spent on people easier to read. Perhaps I should have just done that this game.

A guy I used to play mafia with, I mostly just tabled questions about his alignment until day 2 or 3. Even if I got a good scum read on him day 1 I couldn't get him lynched that early.