Mini 1433 - State Farm Mafia - Game over

[AngryPidgeon]

Couple quick things:
@Safety:

I never ever said that I was making a meta case on you based on ongoing games

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I'm not

. Its not even really a meta read; it is in the sense that my case on Revenus is.

I just happen to think I understand your personality/playstyle which is something I can pick up from not even knowing your alignment and reading a game of yours.

Now, that one sentence that is causing all this fuss was a really offhanded remark by me that was a large part a note to myself to look into that thought more when I had time. Your reaction is to pin my own logic on me which is

[Zdenek]

Were you just trolling about Rev being town?

i dunno why but this post feels like a cookies caught in the cookie jar type post

That is nonsense. Even if you replace cookies with hands.

Were you just trolling about Rev being town?

Dead serious. Disappointed?

-DGB

Nope. Just didn't understand your read yesterday, and curious why it changed.

So, I'm scum because my initial reads might be wrong?

No, you're scum because flipping votes between Absta and I makes practically no sense.

AP's defence of Lurker at the end of day 1 is suspect. Lurker was scum, in my opinion seemed scummy, and looked like he might have ended up being lynched, and AP went out of his way to defend him.

What are you suggesting, that AP purposely defended a Serial Killer, knowing he was 3rd party?

Of course not. I'm suggesting that AP may have been trying to get town points by defending someone who he thought was town, and likely to flip. I also think that Lurker was legimately scummy, and the fact that he flipped SK means that I don't think I was wrong about that.

I assume it was different enough from your town meta that he considered it your scum.

Don't answer questions for other people.

I am asking you to be mod-killed based on site-rules about discussion of current games. Fuck your claim.

There is no town motivation for this.

Zde was null-ish for me yesterday but scummy today, especially his interaction with Hiraki and trying to shove something onto AP in #724

Why? because this looks like bullshit to me.

But Lurker was a third party anyway. AP would have to be scum - how would he know what Lurker was to defend him?

That was just gibberish.

Absta, I still want to know where you are getting the idea that I am pro at scum.

[Bacde]

^^I meant hands lol

Why did you make a sad face? Why were you sad about thinking that Dr Z MD was trolling about thinking Rev was town?

[Zdenek]

^^I meant hands lol

Why did you make a sad face? Why were you sad about thinking that Dr Z MD was trolling about thinking Rev was town?

No, that was regarding their forecast.

[absta101]

You were quite convincing Day 1. Some good acting.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why claim...?

What if someone else got protected or someone JKd? What does your claim do for us?

Eh. I am feeling entitled because I have reason to believe that I was killed (which makes me think at least one of my reads was right-on). I've been soft claiming it and lightly trolling for reactions all Day so it wasn't like scum couldn't figure it out.

VOTE: SafetyDance

It's pretty obv.

-DGB

Dear Dr. Zoidberg. The rest of the town may be content to let you pretend to be too carefree to back your bullshit up, but Im pretty sure you are scum. You were a universal townread and came out of last night alive when I was most certain you would die. Also your reasons for flip-floppng on Revenus look like scum posts.

So, I want a good answer, why is SD scum? Why wasn't it apparent before?

Also, Zdenek is mafia. Lynch it lynch it lynch it.

Also also - RY is site-flaking atm.

[Zdenek]

You were quite convincing Day 1. Some good acting.

You're so full of shit.

[AngryPidgeon]

Spoiler: Bacde, you know you wanna help me with this one

Ok, Bacde is full of shit.

5. AngryPidgeon, Mafia Roleblocker, alive in Endgame

You're so full of shit.

5. Zdenek, Mafia Roleblocker, Lynched Day 2

[Bacde]

^^That's actually really convincing

the only thing thats holding me back right now is RY though, I was happy about the wagon on him yesterday and I feel like he's getting off the hook by site-flaking

we have a lot of time so I don't see a motivation to rush this

[AngryPidgeon]

^ Errr, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT QUOTE FROM THE MOD DID NOT HAPPEN; I AM MAKING A JOKE AND COMPARISON BETWEEN MY/ZD's SCUM PLAY.

Im not trying to impersonate the mod, just making a comparison/prediction.

[Bacde]

I feel like SD would actually try to get you modkilled for that

[absta101]

I will remember this Bacde, we all will.

Zed is mod confirmed scum now.

[Doctor Zoidberg MD]

Dear Dr. Zoidberg. The rest of the town may be content to let you pretend to be too carefree to back your bullshit up, but Im pretty sure you are scum. You were a universal townread

So? Scum aren't obligated to kill people who are seen as very-towny. Maybe they tried to pick off a suspected PR. Maybe they no-killed on purpose. There are lots of equally plausible explanations and your reasoning is specious.

and came out of last night alive when I was most certain you would die.

Cool. I'm not sure why scum (or we, for that matter) should give a rat's ass about your expectations for the night phase.

Also your reasons for flip-floppng on Revenus look like scum posts.

In what specific ways do they look like scum posts?

[Bacde]

Dear Dr. Zoidberg. The rest of the town may be content to let you pretend to be too carefree to back your bullshit up, but Im pretty sure you are scum. You were a universal townread

So? Scum aren't obligated to kill people who are seen as very-towny. Maybe they tried to pick off a suspected PR. Maybe they no-killed on purpose. There are lots of equally plausible explanations and your reasoning is specious.

and came out of last night alive when I was most certain you would die.

Cool. I'm not sure why scum

(or we, for that matter) should give a rat's ass about your expectations for the night phase.

Also your reasons for flip-floppng on Revenus look like scum posts.

In what specific ways do they look like scum posts?

this is a good post esp. for the bolded

I'm not seeing Dr Z scum

[AngryPidgeon]

Maybe they no-killed on purpose. There are lots of equally plausible

Yes, scum no killed last night. Thats totally equally plausible. Wuuuuuuuuuuuut.

I originally had a meta-based scumread on Revenus but his play has come more into line with what I would expect from town-revenus

So Revenus's VERY FEW posts today totally subverted your read on him from scumscumscum to towntowntown? Like all the stuff he posted yesterday doesnt matter anymore and the stuff he posted today has X-infinity more weight?

The bolded is not town looking really.

[Bacde]

Actually it is

its worded in an aggravating manner for one

But using your expectations of the NK as evidence is weak

[AngryPidgeon]

DGB is very capable of being aggressive/caustic as scum.

She is justifying why she wasnt killed by suggesting a nokill and simultaneously saying im dumb.

They are scum.

[absta101]

Bacde, did you guys no-kill?

[SafetyDance]

Couple quick things:
@Safety:

I never ever said that I was making a meta case on you based on ongoing games

.

I'm not

. Its not even really a meta read; it is in the sense that my case on Revenus is.

^ I'm not able to comment more on that.

So there's nothing stopping you then from explaining yourself.

I just happen to think I understand your personality/playstyle which is something I can pick up from not even knowing your alignment and reading a game of yours.

I don't think you do understand me and if you've read a game of mine, that's not ongoing, then you can link a game(s) as proof, like someone normally would and not say something like:

^ I'm not able to comment more on that.

Now, that one sentence that is causing all this fuss was a really offhanded remark by me that was a large part a note to myself to look into that thought more when I had time. Your reaction is to pin my own logic on me which is

But I definitely gut read players better who play similarly to me (Vifam in ny161).

You make your bed, you lie in it.

It's simple, if you're publicly reasoning that you're reading someone as scum, regardless of reason ("gut"), because of ongoing games, you are violating the rules of the site and not definitely not playing in the spirit of the game.

Ergo request to apologise and renege or be modkilled.

[SafetyDance]

ummm AP hammered because of the SK claim...

At least pretend you're reading this game, RM.

Which actually makes sense

because AP wanted RY lynched

and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

Which actually makes sense

because AP wanted RY lynched

and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

Which actually makes sense

because AP wanted RY lynched

and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

Spoiler: L-O-O-K

Vote Count 1.13
RachMarie -
Revenus -
Hiraki -

RandomYoshi

- Bacde, Doctor Zoidberg MD,

AngryPidgeon

, SafetyDance, Lurker (L-2)

Doctor Zoidberg MD -
Bacde -

Lurker - RachMarie, Kashoodles, absta101, Revenus, IFM (L-2)

absta101 -
SafetyDance - Zdenek (L-6)
Kashoodles -
Zdenek -
AngryPidgeon - Hiraki, RandomYoshi (L-5)
IFM -

Not Voting:


Revenus is V/LA until April 7th

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-05 11:30:00)

I am human and can make mistakes, if you see an error with the vote count please let me know.

Spoiler: R-E-A-D

Well Bacde and Zoid want to lynch RY. And I want to lynch RY. And Bcde/Zoid are two people I'm pretty confident about being town.

no one else found it scummy of Revenus to say he isn't bothering to read absta since he will replace out, but hes willing to vote Xrg's slot based purely on Xeg's posts? why is Revenus incapable of reading absta's posts to get a read on the SLOT?

Unvote: absta
Vote: RandomYoshi

Not much happening here. Add RachMarie to the list of people I'm willing to vote today; her posts feel off. I'm having a hard time explaining this read, but she just feels different than when I've played with Town-Rach. A lot of her posts are common sense/IIoA this game and she isn't speaking as forcefully as she was in her brief time with me in Popcorn mafia (open 484?).

Revenus is an excellent vote still.

I wish Hiraki and I were on the same page about anything this game. I don't see any of his wagons that I would really support that much.

Lurker is a compromise lynch. IMO a shitty compromise lynch. But if it comes to DL, I'll vote it. Would MUCH rather RY/Revenus/Rach

Ok lurker is town town town. I guarantee it. I FUCKING guarantee a townflip from lurker.

Lurker feels genuine in every post he makes. He shiws an inherent town mindset in his train of thoughts and although he hasn't been incredibly active, he is not appealing to anybody or overjustifying his actions or actually doing anything scummy. I feel pretty strongly that lurker is just frustrated town right now.

RandomYoshi I'm less sure about it. Of the two, might vote is staying here. I want to run some ISOs in the next couple hours but absta is still absurdly scummy this game. And Im feeling more confident about ZD town.

Spoiler: U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D

Which actually makes sense

because AP wanted RY lynched

and then moved to hammer lurker and this day has moved away from his scum-RY read. Which was my point.

[SafetyDance]

I am asking you to be mod-killed based on site-rules about discussion of current games. Fuck your claim.

There is no town motivation for this.

There is no town motivation for wanting to play a game by the rules outlined and agreed upon by everyone playing this site?

There's no town motivation for you to be this dense.

Vote:Zdenek

I feel like SD would actually try to get you modkilled for that

Obvious joke comparison is obvious.

I will remember this Bacde, we all will.

Zed is mod confirmed scum now.

I love how you make such an emphatic statement and follow it up with just as emphatic reasoning.

You could totally make the Bible Belt vote Obama with such persuasiveness.

[Jake from State Farm]

Vote Count 2.02
RachMarie -
Revenus -
Hiraki - Zdenek (L-6)
RandomYoshi - IFM (L-6)
Doctor Zoidberg MD -
Bacde -
absta101 - revenus (L-6)
SafetyDance - Hiraki, Dr. Z (L-5)
Kashoodles -

Zdenek - Absta101, kashoodles, AngryPidgeon, SafetyDance (L-3)

AngryPidgeon -
IFM -

Not Voting: RachMarie, RandomYoshi, Bacde

RandomYoshi has been prodded

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-04-28 07:35:00)

I am human and can make mistakes, if you see an error with the vote count please let me know.

[RachMarie]

Lurker claimed 3rd party? Ok, I can get on board with that then.

VOTE: Lurker

You forgot to quote THIS one SD...

Ahem

[SafetyDance]

Lurker claimed 3rd party? Ok, I can get on board with that then.

VOTE: Lurker

You forgot to quote THIS one SD...

Ahem

Attempting to understand reason that post has to do with RandomYoshi or AP's read on RY...
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Attempt Failed.

Please, do enlighten.

[RachMarie]

Nothing to do with his read on RY, but explains why he jumped off of RY to hammer Lurker.

Not liking the way you are hinting on AP. If you really think he is scum for this you should come out and say so.