Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Does Bo Know]

Um okay.

I don't agree with Klick about the trust tell. It's null. I would've kept the vote on Icebox, but the wagon was losing momentum fast. Yours isn't. I like the process of wagons D1.

I thought Klick was town because his questions looked like they would be followed by Klick evaluating the answers, which is putting himself out there, which is a townie trait.

Mac still looks town to me.

Egg's following a lot of my thought processes.

TNE's lack of interest in anything that happened before he posted could be interpreted as scummy. Keeping an eye on him.

I can agree with Klick's werewolf-finding motive. Plus your play makes my gut feel bad. So yeah.

[fuzzybutternut]

Since when does my play

not

make your gut feel bad?

[Does Bo Know]

Apparently you're not reading.

I think Klick nailed the werewolves. Fuzz and Icebox are the two scummiest looking players aside from the RQS, so that pushes it over the top. I don't like Fuzz because of his "I'm super good as scum, I promise!". I just plain don't like hydras.

The partner blame looks like every scum hydra I've seen.

I'm good with either vote.

[fuzzybutternut]

I read that just fine, but it's still basing his argument off nothing but "he's a hydra." I've seen town hydra do the very same thing.

[Does Bo Know]

Since when does my play

not

make your gut feel bad?

Pre-fakeclaim in Newbie 1340. (Yeah, even the hammer didn't bother me as much as it bothered everyone else.)
Pre-reaction test in Micro 141.

[fuzzybutternut]

huh?

[Icebox]

It's hilarious.

Still ROFLing.

So why is Zach's hydra thing ten times scummier than anything you've seen this game? You

do

realize that's not why he thinks the hydra is scum, right?

@Bo: meh. At least, I countered that exact bolded stuff so my post is still useful. Also, were fuzzy scum in those games?

[Icebox]

Wtf where did that quote came from

[fuzzybutternut]

I was in 1340, I believe. Can't remember if I was in the Micro though.

[Bulbazak]

Eh, I'm not going after Fuzzy. I misread him in True Love, and I'd rather get a better grip on how he plays before throwing down a scum read.

Bo, I'm not sure why you have a town read on Mac. His posts read like scum trying to blow random talk into an illusionary case and hoping enough people bought it. This post is especially bad:

So... do these guys look like scum partners or what?

He quotes the conversation and phrases his question in a way that it will make the entire exchange look scummy. Yet, he never goes any further with it. And worse yet, he has to ask the town's approval ("These guys look pretty scummy. What do you think?"). He's done nothing scumhunting-wise sense then. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing it.

Vote Mac

[Does Bo Know]

Mac's town to me because he didn't look like he faked not knowing whether scum had pre-game talk or not.

Yeah, I did say he was also town for scumhunting early, but then I forgot scum have to hunt scum too. I think I said this earlier.

You're also saying he didn't talk about the interactions anymore.

He also hasn't even posted in the game since. So that's not something to call him scum for.

So you have no opinion on Fuzzy yet?

[Autti]

Caught up.

I think Klick is trusting Icebox/Rem way to much.

The argument that Rem is using a trust tell and therefore town is null to me. Rem can have all the meta in the world to back her up, but what matters is this game.
Klick says "Egg, explain to me why Rem would break a tell like that so soon after joining the site." To win this game as scum, obviously. It has already given them a big help with you think they are conf town already.

Fuzzy's post #47 seems like bragging and a potential i told you so if he wins as scum. Emotional response so potential slip IMO.

Equally i don't like Bulbazak antagonizing Fuzzy, making people angry by bringing up past games isn't scum hunting, its framing people. He also says in #82 "What Fuzzy and I were talking about was not really game related". If it's not game related, why are you talking about it and not scum hunting?

VOTE: Bulbazak

[Bulbazak]

Not yet. He hasn't said or done anything that's distinctly pinged my scumdar, and I keep remembering how we mislynched him in True Love mafia where he was acting similar. This is my fourth game with him, and I still haven't seen enough of him to read him right off the bat. And I'm certainly not going to base my vote off of him only having one person on his RQS scum team. Heck, even I almost forgot that the scum team is composed of 3 members in this game. He's a complete null to me, which is understandable as we've only been playing for a day and just got out of RVS.

P-edit: I've riffed Fuzzy in every game we've been in since 1337. Not to mention that the game had just started, we were still in RVS, and I hadn't seen anything even remotely scummy.

[Does Bo Know]

Heck, even I almost forgot that

the scum team

is composed of 3 members in this game.

"the" scum team?

UNVOTE: fuzzybutternut
VOTE: Bulbazak

[thenewearth]

Spoiler: For fuzzy's eyes only

For the record, 1337 is why Fuzzy will be caught in 3 pages if scum.

You do realize I just won a game as scum, when my partner was lynched early game, right?

I'm not as bad as scum as you think I am.

Also... Damn you fuzzy. Damn you. I hate you for winning that game. (Because it was my fault for cracking on the waiting game)
Plus. You're readable. No offense bro.

[Does Bo Know]

Great.

Mind posting something everyone else should care about?

[Autti]

Thanks for adding points to your scum case Thene.

[thenewearth]

I said it was for fuzzy only. Y u look at it?

Anyways...

Town: Klick

Scum/Werewolf/Whatever: Bo, Icebox, Bulba

Leaning Scum/Werewolf/Whatever: fuzzy

Null: Everyone else

[thenewearth]

Thanks for adding points to your scum case Thene.

What points, to be exact?

[Bulbazak]

Heck, even I almost forgot that

the scum team

is composed of 3 members in this game.

"the" scum team?

Yes, "the". Scum=Mafia. I'm just used to it that way. I guess we can call werewolves scum too, but it's just a matter of semantics. I'll probably be using the term in the broadest sense during the game anyway. It's just in this case, I meant it in terms of the Mafia faction, which should be apparent given the context.

[fuzzybutternut]

Thanks for adding points to your scum case Thene.

What points, to be exact?

curious on this too.

Also, yeah. I think it's literally come down to "Fuzzy is scum every game, even when he's town." *shrug* I'm working on it.

[Syryana]

I'm baaaaaack! Six pages? Cool.

I'm liking Icebox and fuzzy for wolves thanks to Klick's RQS.
I dislike how Klick decided to throw over his own evidence on Icebox in favor of a null trust tell.
I don't like people who use trust tells in general.
People are really loving the "towntells" this game. About the only one I might give credence to is Mac's, but those sorts of towntells I dismiss from players that have completed more than a couple games. Any experienced player can fake that.

I think fuzzy slipped here:

Autti has a point. Werewolves will hunt mafia. Mafia will hunt werewolves. Town will hunt both.

Autti makes a generic statement about everybody scumhunting and the first thing that pops into fuzzy's head is werewolves. It's weak, but combine that with the single scumbuddy slip from RQS and his cocky "I'm not

that

terrible as scum" and mix well, we have a fuzzywolf.

Egg, why does my interaction with the mod make me town? I get the idea that a mod wouldn't want to out a scum by accident, but I don't really see how the brief interaction between myself and the mod would be indicative of alignment either way.

TNE trying way too hard to appear town in his answer to RQS. Probscum.

Zach's recent post pinged hard for me:

I think Klick nailed the werewolves. Fuzz and Icebox are the two scummiest looking players aside from the RQS, so that pushes it over the top. I don't like Fuzz because of his "I'm super good as scum, I promise!".

I just plain don't like hydras. The partner blame looks like every scum hydra I've seen.

I'm good with either vote.

I don't want to vote for TNE. That looks like it could pick up.

He doesn't feel scummy to me.

I bolded the parts that I don't like. Not liking Icebox and fuzzy because of Klick's case is fine but his second reason to dislike Icebox is BS. I don't like Icebox because of RQS, the supposed trust tell, the self-meta (reeeeeeaaaaaallly don't like self-meta). Them being a hydra is a terrible reason to suspect them. The partner blame thing is a fair point, but I've seen it come from town and scum hydras alike, so I consider it more null.

Furthermore, I don't like zach's reason to not vote TNE. Why doesn't he look scummy to you, zach? Why does it "picking up" bother you? I assume "picking up" means "turning into a wagon", so why do you care if a wagon forms on TNE?

Bulba, if you're using the word scum in the broadest sense, why call the scumteam a team of 3 and not 5? Town should be thinking of scum in terms of anti-town factions, which given two teams of 3 and 2 respectively means five anti-town slots. Your reference to the scum as a single team of three is highly suspect.

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

@mod, can we get a VC please?

I could also go for a wagon on TNE, Icebox, Bulba or zach if one should appear.

[Autti]

Thanks for adding points to your scum case Thene.

What points, to be exact?

That you come back after 22 posts and the only thing you have to add is an irrelevant OT. You haven't contributed anything so far.

I like Syryana's post.

[Syryana]

Whatcha like about it, Audi Autti?

[Autti]

Your point about Zach's hesitation to vote TNE. Seems strange considering its not like its a significant wagon yet.

Your reinforcement of BDK's point against Bulba with more explanation.

Your distrust of town tells. Hunting scum is preferable that finding town, as scum can do the latter far easier than the former.

Although i think fuzzy as werewolf is a bit of a stretch. I took his "im good at scum" comment as a just watch me comment as i said before. I think its tough to say that because he mentioned werewolfs first hes a wolf and not mafia.