Micro 164: Epic Mafia (Game Over)

[catboi]

Where do you think I said or implied that.

you attacking the people voting you, followed by "that's a scummy BW"

Well having the vig claimed to be conf-town is blech. First off there's only 3 VTs and the rest are town PRs that does help scum narrowing down the pool to hit PRs. Then you have WIFOM for the doctor whether or not the mafia are going to try and be bold to kill the claimed vig or go randomly. It happens to narrow one less person for the cop to investigate, but there's a chance they are either killed or blocked or stalked by scum.

You can just say vig don't shoot please as it's not the best thing to do! Rather then outing them.

Still not understanding how this makes the vig staying hidden a better play - outed they're cleared which makes it easier for everyone else to scumhunt, prevents a counter-claim on lylo, and guarantees they're protected which means they DON'T get shot. And you even raise a point in favor of it yourself, with it preventing the cop from investigating them. This paranoia over claiming is typical EM, I'd have expected people to be a little more open minded here~

pe: good god molla, have some restraint

[BBmolla]

pe: good god molla, have some restraint

No

[RichardGHP]

Please try not to post nine times in a row in future, BBmolla...

[BBmolla]

Sorry I'll edit my posts next time

[RichardGHP]

I would prefer you just compiled everything into one or two bigger posts

[BBmolla]

That's not really how I work but I'll try.

[rmpeacoc]

Where do you think I said or implied that.

you attacking the people voting you, followed by "that's a scummy BW"

Except you ignored that I said there is scum on my bw. I never said they were all scum. I was trying to make a point that the way that it happened was so messed up that one of them has to be scum.

I would say that bubba was buddying me if I didn't know how he thinks... this is not likely to be bubba buddying but rather having my same point of view as that does tend to happen.

I don't have a town read on him though. TBH It'll probably be a while before I have a clear read on bubba. He's more difficult for me.

As far as the ML goes yeah we have one but I'd rather we didn't lynch town.

Anyway. BBMolla I have a right to react to the L-2. I still think it was a really dumb move especially the way that it happened.

We have fuzzy over here saying he didn't read the setup... right. sure.

[Jake from State Farm]

sup

[Rob14]

GIF is town. He's had some very good posts and good reactions to what's going on so far.

BBmolla is being BBmolla, which seems to always read as scum to me. I eyetwitched at the continued pressure on rmp after he had already unvoted from him. It seems to be a weird thought process to follow. Reconsider read on rmp --> Vote Bubba --> Continue to find reasons to justify prior vote on rmp. Kind of funky. Could be partners? That's a bit of a long-shot, though.

Bubba is a VI. Unsurprising considering he's from EM. Null.

Rmp is a scum VI. Reaction (specifically, over-reaction) was terrible. He was clearly tunneling on Dav, but didn't place a vote with his reasoning because it would have looked OMGUSy. The reads he was giving didn't fit his vote. Then later, he decides to jump on Dav for lack of knowledge of the open setup (which, in my experience, is a town tell if anything). He was clearly looking for any reason not related to Dav's vote on himself to vote Dav.

Dav is looking null lean town.

Catboi is looking a bit better. I'm highly skeptical of the town motivation for suggesting we out a town PR, but I'm just as skeptical of the scum motivation for heavily sticking with it when no one agreed with you. Null.

Piratecat is super-town for reasons.

Jake from State Farm is suspiciously absent. Lurk much? /sarcasm. Null.

Vote: rmp

for reasons above.

[bubbajack8]

I don't like sheeps. |votes fuzzy|

This part.
Are you voting fuzzy because you think sheeping is scummy or simple because you hate people who sheeps?

Sheeping is scummy.

The difference between you and him is your RVSed and he didn't (says he did but sheeped onto an L-2 wagon.)

[bubbajack8]

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Bubba is a VI. Unsurprising considering he's from EM. Null.

Well you're an asshole.

And fuzzy is voting for a nl. Such scum.

[rmpeacoc]

GIF is town. He's had some very good posts and good reactions to what's going on so far.

BBmolla is being BBmolla, which seems to always read as scum to me. I eyetwitched at the continued pressure on rmp after he had already unvoted from him. It seems to be a weird thought process to follow. Reconsider read on rmp --> Vote Bubba --> Continue to find reasons to justify prior vote on rmp. Kind of funky. Could be partners? That's a bit of a long-shot, though.

Bubba is a VI. Unsurprising considering he's from EM. Null.

Rmp is a scum VI. Reaction (specifically, over-reaction) was terrible. He was clearly tunneling on Dav, but didn't place a vote with his reasoning because it would have looked OMGUSy. The reads he was giving didn't fit his vote. Then later, he decides to jump on Dav for lack of knowledge of the open setup (which, in my experience, is a town tell if anything). He was clearly looking for any reason not related to Dav's vote on himself to vote Dav.

Dav is looking null lean town.

Catboi is looking a bit better. I'm highly skeptical of the town motivation for suggesting we out a town PR, but I'm just as skeptical of the scum motivation for heavily sticking with it when no one agreed with you. Null.

Piratecat is super-town for reasons.

Jake from State Farm is suspiciously absent. Lurk much? /sarcasm. Null.

Vote: rmp

for reasons above.

Dirst of all, might I ask that you use the names of people in the game. If you're talking about fluffy, I voted him for more than lack of knowledge, clearly.

Don't join an Epic Mafia setup if you don't want to play with people from EM. Also you call it OMGUS, but that's not exactly scummy, is it. After all if it was OMGUS why didn't I vote GIF or BBMolla?

Fluffy put me at L-2. And he didn't read the setup. Actually I'm not sure he didn't read the setup.

Also he voted No Lynch, and that combined with him saying he didn't know the setup was why I voted him. He's done quite a few scummy things too early in the game, imo.

Why would you vote no lynch if you didn't know the setup? Pardon me but in this setup on EM anyone who NL's is highly considered as scum. I know you don't want to hear about EM but come on. The guy got a PM to confirm in the thread, they had plenty of time to read.

*note to all... I'm female. I'd appreciate it if you'd call me she*

[rmpeacoc]

First*

[rmpeacoc]

Also (Sorry Mod, i have to add on)

You say that I'm tunneling, but guess what, it's hard not to focus on someone you think is scum. Also if I was tunneling I'd be doing it a lot harder, rather than just saying a few things against him.

[bubbajack8]

You'd make a darn good argument that

I

am tunneling.

[Rob14]

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Bubba is a VI. Unsurprising considering he's from EM. Null.

Well you're an asshole.

And fuzzy is voting for a nl. Such scum.

VI =/= unintelligent as a person. It just means you're bad at the game. Again, this is a result of being from EM, which has a site meta of being a VI when compared to the level of play on MafiaScum. You'll improve with time, assuming you abandon most if not all of what you learned at EM.

But yes, I am an asshole.

Re:rmp's wall-post that I'm not going to quote due to large quotes being an eyesore

You're confusing my argument. OMGUS isn't scummy. Tunneling isn't scummy. Intentionally attempting to avoid the OMGUS, which I believe you've done, is scummy - it has a pretty clear scum motivation because a lot of people DO believe OMGUS is scummy. Tunneling on someone without a vote is scummy, as it shows a strong divide between your reads and your voting habits - something that typically arises from scum rather than town.

For everyone's reference, when I say Dav, I'm referring to fuzzybutternut. I play with him on the MafiaScum Minecraft server, where his username is davroe with some numbers tacked on that I can never remember. So again, Dav or Davroe = fuzzybutternut. This is not something I'm going to stop doing, so make a mental note.

Sorry for not clarifying that earlier. I had meant to and then forgotten.

@Bubba - What's your current opinion of Dav and rmp? Actually, I wouldn't mind a full read's list from you, if you have the time.

[Rob14]

Just realized the mod was using some funky software to do votecounts, so just to ensure mine counted:

VOTE: rmpeacoc

[bubbajack8]

Oh ok, you town read him because you play Minecraft with him! That makes sense!

rmpeacoc - null


GuyInFreezer - town


Jake from State Farm - null


fuzzybutternut - scum


BBmolla - null


Rob13 - asshole / null scum


catboi - null town


Piratecat - has he posted?

[bubbajack8]

Also this is an EM setup with EM players. If you don't like us/it. Replace out.

[Rob14]

Bubba, it's not that I don't like you. Again, you're taking my objective statements personally. I just find your level of play currently to be below the MS standard. This may be an EM setup, but it's full of MS players. Dav, Jake, me, BBmolla, Piratecat - all MSers. If you're looking for an EM setup with EM players...why didn't you just play on EM?

I didn't town-read Dav. Don't misrepresent me. I said null leaning town. That means he's barely on the town side of null. This read results from very small town reads (post #37 asks good questions, the no lynch vote which I doubt scum would do if only because it's immediately suspect and that's it). Most of his posts are null for me.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: rob

[rmpeacoc]

Bubba, it's not that I don't like you. Again, you're taking my objective statements personally. I just find your level of play currently to be below the MS standard. This may be an EM setup, but it's full of MS players. Dav, Jake, me, BBmolla, Piratecat - all MSers. If you're looking for an EM setup with EM players...why didn't you just play on EM?

1. We requested this game when EM was dead for a week.
2. We are enjoying MS, just not the way that people are rude to us.
3. BBMolla is from EM I do believe? I'm sure some of you have also played on EM before.
4. Again as I said we are the ones who wanted this setup. Go look in Mafia Discussion if you don't believe me.
5. I can speak for bubba as well because we are friends from EM.

*I'm really annoyed that you won't use his in game name. I find it to be anti-town as it's not at all helpful and it further confuses things.

Anyway, you say I'm avoiding OMGUS.... but I voted him. yes I had a reason but it was a clear reason. Again if it was OMGUS why would I choose him over BBMolla and GIF? Yeah sure, we can go with the theory that one of them is a scumbuddy but then why not the other.

Honestly I'm probably more irritated with bbmolla's NOT RVS vote, but I don't find him scummy.

But the BBMolla is my obvious scum partner, right?

[rmpeacoc]

Piratecat - has he posted?

More than once... I think you should reread before you out reads again... if you missed piratecat's 8 posts (yes I went back and counted) since the game started.

[Jake from State Farm]

no need to count - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... rt_order=d

[rmpeacoc]

I was not including posts before the game started.