WWE Believe in the Shield

[Ravenpaw]

Claiming neutral, then demanding that a Vigi goes on one of the most pro-town players in the game at this moment in time?
Not to mention your flip-flopping makes me think Mitt Romney is part of your hydra.
I don't bye your claim one bit, and even if you are a neutral, why would you actively say you want a Vigi to kill what many players believe to be one of the most pro-town players at this point. Neutral or not,

it seems you may be detrimental to our success.

UNVOTE: Ravenpaw
VOTE: GCBC

~Krabs

This is super scummy. You don't even know what's going on. You just saw an opportunity to vote me and did it.
I didn't ask a vig to kill anyone. I just "did it" myself.

The bolded is terrible. It's like you know i'm town and you're justifying a policy lynch.
VOTE: Krab

I agree with all of this.

[Ravenpaw]

@Ravenpaw what have I ignored? Just quote/say it again and I'll probably be happy to answer.

You missed my question about who your 3 scumspects were but seeing as you’ve now said no-one I guess it doesn’t matter. Also you don’t care to respond to my case on you?

What do you think of AA, ferret?

There's other stuff I said to you but answering these will do for now.

[Ravenpaw]

Krabs

I really don't like your reaction to GCBC's vig test and the fact that you'd come in and do that yet ignore the questions directed at you is bothersome.
Can you please answer my questions now?

[Nexus]

RATEDR and Fuzzyman have been prodded.

[Svenskt Stål]

I will not stop my activity. Although it will drop when my battery dies.

It will hurt town if you don't...

You complain about lurkers when you're making catching up way harder for them. If I was a day Vig, i'd kill you now. You piss me off.

In fact:

Vig: Sven

Good riddance.

What a little piece of shit you are.

But its almost too stupid to do this as scum, you might just be a horrendous towny.

[Amethyst Actor]

Instead of saying that my posts are bad Sven, maybe you should Tell me why they aren't good. There is nothing wrong with questions, and not giving the answer to what a person wants is suspicious

GCBC is Null-town, and they have only gotten townier

These reactions though, they set me off. Two people voted him in quick succession, though to think that both of them are town is pretty ridiculous. of the two votes, I feel that Krabs is the scummier of the two, though Goats reaction to the gambit wasn't entirely comforting.

Raven, did you answer why you thought Ferret is scum? I don't see an answer to how anything they are doing can be deemed as scummy

[Ravenpaw]

Raven, did you answer why you thought Ferret is scum? I don't see an answer to how anything they are doing can be deemed as scummy

Yes and it was in a response to you:

Not feeling Ferret, he feels like a noob to me

And? What difference does this have on his alignment? He can be noob and scum y’know.
Reasons for why ferret is giving me scum vibes:
1. He says in post 72 that the votes are all still random, yet in 162 he would say his vote on Skull from post 49 was (still) legitimate.
2. Post 178, his backtracking in his words that he meant to write “could” as well read as so very fake. (And actually if the word 'could' is added the sentence doesn't read correctly anymore).
3. His making an issue out of my activity and voting was terribad, and held no water whatsoever. It felt like he just wanted to show that he wasn’t just sheeping Rated R.
4. He has time to ask what is IIOA which shows he’s reading the thread, yet doesn’t respond to anything in the actual game?

But with that said, this is old stuff. New info has come to light (and I have said why Ferret dings my radar a bit less now), so I'm not currently feeling his lynch right now. Why don't you ask the people that are actually voting for him why they think he's scum?

[Amethyst Actor]

Right...

Nero, Desp, Cops?

all I got from Desp is that his actions seem scummy, though I don't see them. Explain them to me.

Cops didn't give a reason either?

Nero, why is Ferret scum? why is cops scum for dissonance? what do you think about Krabs?

[RATEDR]

Wow, has it been 48 hours already? I felt like it was just yesterday when I made my effort-post. Will read later today.

-Grazie

[Svenskt Stål]

Instead of saying that my posts are bad Sven, maybe you should Tell me why they aren't good. There is nothing wrong with questions, and not giving the answer to what a person wants is suspicious

GCBC is Null-town, and they have only gotten townier

These reactions though, they set me off. Two people voted him in quick succession, though to think that both of them are town is pretty ridiculous. of the two votes, I feel that Krabs is the scummier of the two, though Goats reaction to the gambit wasn't entirely comforting.

Raven, did you answer why you thought Ferret is scum? I don't see an answer to how anything they are doing can be deemed as scummy

They are bad because you are not trying hard enough to catch scum. You dont give enough reasoning or thought behind your actions. Your questions is called out by me because it feels like jyou are trying to join in the ongoing conversation with very little to say, for example " Why is x scum, i dont see it" ----long period of time---- "i dont get the votes on y"-------long period of time

How is GCBC null-town? This is mindboggleing.
What reactions are off?
So out of the two that voted GCBC, its ridiculous if both are town? Why?
Why is Krabs vote scummier?
What about goats was not comforting?

You are basicly defending gcbc, who has done nothing towny in my eyes besides being too retarded to be scum, and utting heat on GOAT and Krab without stating any reason besides "vote felt scummy".
This is awfull. Reasons stated.

[Svenskt Stål]

Right...

Nero, Desp, Cops?

all I got from Desp is that his actions seem scummy, though I don't see them. Explain them to me.

Cops didn't give a reason either?

Nero, why is Ferret scum? why is cops scum for dissonance? what do you think about Krabs?

And here you ask others for reasoning, gtfo.

You are approaching the end of the scumlist by the post. I might actually do a ISO on you after I have done one on ferret and your past games and if I like it I might push for your lynch.

[Svenskt Stål]

Wow, has it been 48 hours already? I felt like it was just yesterday when I made my effort-post. Will read later today.

-Grazie

Welcome to the scum pile.

[Fuzzyman]

V/LA until 5:00 PM CDT on Sunday

[Fuzzyman]

So... GCBC went from thinking that ferret was a bad vote to a good vote in like... 20 minutes?
He also doesnt specify how nero earned his vote.

Man thats alot of shit.

so its shit to scumhunt?

are you actually surprised that I wasn't invested in my unexplained vote on nero?

I dislike this post.

[Svenskt Stål]

RATEDR and Fuzzyman have been prodded.

V/LA until 5:00 PM CDT on Sunday

So... GCBC went from thinking that ferret was a bad vote to a good vote in like... 20 minutes?
He also doesnt specify how nero earned his vote.

Man thats alot of shit.

so its shit to scumhunt?

are you actually surprised that I wasn't invested in my unexplained vote on nero?

I dislike this post.

I dislike this shit.

[Svenskt Stål]

Right so I have to iso ferret, then skull then AA... might do AA before skull..

Will happen this evening,

Scum, run scared.

[Svenskt Stål]

but first a movie.

[Desperado]

Right...

Nero, Desp, Cops?

all I got from Desp is that his actions seem scummy, though I don't see them. Explain them to me.

Cops didn't give a reason either?

Nero, why is Ferret scum? why is cops scum for dissonance? what do you think about Krabs?

If you don't see them, and we have repeatedly pointed them out, what else do you want? You read noob town and we read scum, end of discussion. Endlessly providing the same posts over and over in an attempt to satisfy you is not going to get us anywhere.

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Skull

How much of today's happenings were part of your reaction test? Just the fake vig shot or all the posts leading up to it (527, 530, 534, 535, 543, 544, 547, and 548)?

548 was the only intentional reaction test.

Do you believe that this bewilderment is fabricated?

Those posts could easily come from scum who needs to look busy but it's hard to tell. There

have

been a lot of posts.
---

@Ferret

@Ravenpaw what have I ignored? Just quote/say it again and I'll probably be happy to answer.

What are you even doing?
Something big just happened. What's your opinion of it?
---

@Goat

- Aren't you going to respond to me challenging your first point on why i'm scum? Do you agree that you doesn't make sense?
---

@Raven

Why is posting a lot a bad thing? His posts have been helpful.

1. It will make it harder for people to catch up which can cause them to just give up.
2. Scum, like ferret, have a valid excuse for not posting as much content.

Sven could easily make less but more constructive posts.
---

- Good cop.

[GoodCopBadCop]

that it doesn't make sense*

[GoodCopBadCop]

Right so I have to iso ferret, then skull then AA... might do AA before skull..

Will happen this evening,

Scum, run scared.

but first a movie.

@Raven - You get what I mean...

[Svenskt Stål]

Desperado, and everyone else interested in an ISO on ferret.

I have tried to approach this with out a predisposed idea of what ferret is, but rather take every post at its face value... easier said than done. There is also nothing in terms of history to use as a blueprint.

I fully approve of GoodCop's vote

(although I was thinking of voting Nero Cain out of policy--I like to policy lynch all policy lynchers)

-BadCop

WTF

If you policy lynch all policy-lynchers, just go ahead and lynch yourself

First post. Seems relaxed and happy go lucky, a trait I think leans towards the town spectrum, but just slightly.

Harrumph. I can only dispense

unbridled

wrath onto one person at a time. If I have to split it up between four people, then it just gets diluted into regular wrath, and really, what's even the point of that?

Three votes on me, where is this unbridled wrath that will save me??

Save_Us_Skullduggery? Fear not, for I shall break the walls down and save you all.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Skullduggery

FuDuzn counterwagon go go go.

Unvote

Vote: Skullduggery

Self-voting is anti-town and a little scummy.

It's not anti-town if they are scum

although they wouldn't be voting for themselves if they were scum, but it's WIFOM anyways.

UNVOTE: NERO CAIN

VOTE: SKULLDUGGERY

Still early, page 2 or 3. Ferret again seems relaxed and not taking stuff too seriously, might just be his style or how he views the early stages of the game.

I think that right now it is still all random votes and shenanigans. Can we all just stop overreacting to everything?

Yeah, so he apparantly doesnt take the early stages seriously. In a nutshell I´d say a null tell, but the way he does this echoes concern to me. And that concern is towny. He tries to be a kind of medietor, explaining why people could be overreacting "its early, random votes and shenanigans" and then asking them to stop it in a towny way. He could have said "stop it", or he could have taken sides between the parties involved, but he dont.

This is all a bunch of bullcrap.

How was that fishing?

He was just asking about a possible breadcrumb, because scum will use that later if they can and want to. Removing that possibility druing their play makes their claim less believable. I actually think that that is pro-town.

I didn't even see any breadcrumb happening, but I don't see it as bad to point out a possible breadcrumb.

I never really understood the breadcrumbgate and I dont understand his reasoning here, BUT I belive that he belives what he is saying.

You may as well point out the breadcrumb, why wouldn't you?

I agree, this should go to the Mafia Discussion forum for when to claim that there is a breadcrumb...

I still think that my vote on Skull is legitimate and I don't see what's wrong with it. Can someone enlighten me?

I belive this to, usually scum will do one of two things when having an unpopular opinion, either they cave and change it, or they go balls to the wall, screaming that they are right. This post could offcourse be read as the prior case, as in "I still think I like my vote", I can see a case made for that statement leaving an escape from the vote. But what strikes me first is genuine concern and doubt in his vote, but he is still voting, probably because this is his top suspect, but the faith he has is that of a towny, he simply isnt sure.

oh lol

I just derped around and accidentally clicked RavenPaw's ISO button, and she has vote/unvote FOUR TIMES. I think that alone is enough of a reason to vote for her.

UNVOTE
VOTE: RAVENPAW

Dont like this. I mean I can buy that he missclicked and iso´d raven by mistake, why ? Because its too stupid off an reason to come up with as an excuse to move ones vote. What I dont like is his reasoning. I think moving your vote arround is towny, especially early, because townies constantly get alot of new info to make decisions on. Scum, I think, will be more inclined to the mindset "well I have voted now, no one can come after me for not voting", after that there isnt the same drive to use your vote. This lapse in reasoning is close to null thou I belive.

Wow o.O.

It feels like about 5 IRL days into this day. Weird.

I'd also like to point out about RavenPaw that she only has 5 posts, 4 of them are vote/unvote, which means to me she is kind of just riding our wagons and changing her vote when we change the wagon.

"Scum scum want gum gum" (Sorry)

Mhe, don know, I guess the repetition is towny, he wants to gets his read across, scum has no such need really. I do kinda think he belives what he is saying.

So I get back from school, and I get a wagon on me. lolwut

What is being expected of me currently? There are so many posts when I get back from school that I get overwhelmed. I have no idea what questions people are trying to ask me, because they are just getting boggled up with all of the other (for the lack of a better term) "filler" posts.

Could someone

please

make a post with the questions they would like me to answer, and I would be glad to comply.

I want you to tell me why you love Ferrets?

'Cause they are epic. Don't underestimate the power of ferrets.

I have 8 pages to look through. Can you turds

please

stop posting until I respond?

Well, I just C+F'd ('cause I have a life and can't read through all of the posts right now) the last 10 pages, and didn't see any questions pertaining to me. Could someone just have some questions that you want me to answer?

Oh and you have permission to post again

@Ravenpaw what have I ignored? Just quote/say it again and I'll probably be happy to answer.

This I like, makes me belive that he is town with lack of time to rightfully clear up concerns and needs some help.

I don't understand what Krabs is doing wrong. He's not lurking, being an arsehole, or any of that crap. He seems to be legitimately trying to help.

Me, on the other hand, may seem to have wolfy behaviour but I've just not been sure what to say.

I hate this self depricating pussy ass style, scummy. His reasoning on Krabs also looks like scum trying to have a town read with poor reasoning. "not lurking or being an arsehole" does not remove the entire spectrum of being scummy.

I don't really have any scumreads for now, so I will make a vote in my next post for the person with the post longest ago.

I can buy this I guess... no idea what happened with skull but whatever... this post is getting long.

If I assumed that I could be able to shoot

anyone

, I would shoot myself. I haven't been helpful very much and need to be more actively scumhunting. If I couldn't shoot myself then I would have No Action.

This is assuming that the vigilante wouldn't be killed in this process, i.e. I either wasn't the vigilante or the role passed to someone else.

I'm not saying I don't want to play, I'm saying that I should be helping more. JMHO.

These posts are bad. he should Stop sayin that he is awfull and start doing something about it. This reeks of "but i agree with you guys, i am not helpfull"...
Also that shit about shooting himself... I mean I assume he claim town so he would be shooting someone he knows is town ... he should explain how that makes sense in his head.

All in all, I dont think he is good lynch today, there are stuff thats bad, but also stuff that is good, add that with the variance we would encounter of basing our decisions without history and I think we can leave ferret alone for now. Let this slot develop.

Fuck, thats the longest post I ever wrote.

[Desperado]

I think that's a fair analysis of the slot, but I also think it nicely illustrates the differences in interpretation regarding his actions. At this point we have 6 pages of him telling us how bad and lost he is (also, really don't like the "cause I have a LIFE!" defense. No one else is having to excuse their inability to read the game they signed up to play), and no effort put forth to do anything to change it. Labeling him as newbtown right off the bat didn't help, as it disincentives him from getting better if he actually is scum--all he has to do is keep dumbtelling and it'll just reinforce your perception.

With that said, Krab is scum for:

#159 - Warning his scumbuddies on the Duggery wagon that they look scummy AND hedging against any potential mislynches should we lynch on that train ("unless they are just town playing poorly")
#s 129 and 165 - in #129 he waffles on Ravenpaw's "Cain has a scum quicktopic!" tell by saying that it could go either way, and that he will have to "analyze their play and look on further at their play in this game before I come to a conclusion." Somehow he does all of this two hours and votes Raven in #165.
#172 - Seconding ferret's terrible "four votes = scum" argument.
#326 - "Just to clarify, it wasn't so much a defense of ferret, I just thought the reasoning against ferret was poor." This is in reference to his #172. Huh?
#404 - Severely lacking explanation for #s 129 and 165. In particular, "As for your further play, it's been better but it still leaves a scummy taste in my mouth." Not the first time Krabs mentions how Raven is doing something good but he's still going to vote her
#413 - Another bad explanation for a previously scummy action. This time #159 was designed as a bait and switch to make him an easy target, allowing him to catch scum going for an easy lynch. It didn't make sense the first two times either.
#455 - Compare these two quotes:

Notes made from when I was asleep:
FuDuzn, you might have read Marangal well that game, but you might not this time.
TheEsquire made some votecount bookmark in the thread, it comes across as an attempt to act Town, without really contributing too much.

Jebus's post seems more Town to me, scum would generally be immersed to contribute and make an impression early on. I get why Sven wants to vote him though.

MonkeyMan's vote seemed like a desperate attempt to bandwagon.
Ravenpaw seems to be in hyper defensive mode, desperately trying to counter every point against her. To her defence, I've had situations like that in past games. Also, "I kind of was hoping I’d get a scum PM for this game, twasn’t to be though, sadly." is REALLY suspect imo. Town shouldn't have to drill it into our heads.
Personally have a null read on Esquire, the scum part is based on gut though.
Raven's #237 seems condescending, which can either be anti-town, or very minor OMGUS.
Svenskt seems to be actively scumhunting extremely well, his votes are a little sporadic though, probably part of his technique.
Doctor, we're out of RVS I believe.
#260 is a pretty good defence from Raven to begin with, shame you went back into defensive mode straight after.
AA needs to scumhunt more from what I can see, I agree with others on that matter.
#266: No.
Nero Cain's defence for putting Skul at L-3 is poor. You would have contributed to their death if they got hammered.

I'd equate Jebus's play as sloppy, and anti-town, but not necessarily scummy as such, which is why he's not a suspect of mine. I can still understand why you guys are voting him though, we do need him to contribute somehow.
~Krabs

How does Jebus not posting go from town to sloppy and anti-town?

#479 - "Jebus has been posting in the thread. His posting style also doesn't seem manufactured." 1 of Jebus' 5 total posts was spent telling Krab that he hadn't been posting, and I'd love to hear how you concluded that Jebus' style was not manufactured based on his

literally contentless iso

.

#551 - Already covered in detail by Good Cop

[xMALCOLMx]

[Kise]

Yeah..Svet gets sonned on page 6. Lazy puuuunk!

@Svet, I could be wrong but aren't you more humorous when you post? I don't see them Dean gifs.

I was gonna vote desperado on account of him being retti from epicmafia.com and pissing himself all the time but my pal did it ofr me. Also, its with shame and guilt that I admit that I am not part of the Shield, and would love to be.

What made you throw out that last sentence? It sounds like a traitor crumb.

So...you've now vote/unvoted THREE TIMES. Is that enough for me to vote you? Why is four worse than three? How is this even close to an acceptable scumtell?

Well let's see. Raven opens up with a gripe about hydras, votes one of them (our slot), and the other 3 votes don't look RVS either. I can understand disregarding a hydra lynch/policy lynch(?), but she doesn't follow up with where her previous 'scumreads' stand in light of her new votes. She just drops whoever she voted and picks on people for single instances, such as saying Nero slipped.

I am implying that people think they see "town power play" or "scum slips" way to much, and not reflecting over the fact that they are wrong alot.

Well this is rich coming from a player that just accused me of a slip.

As I mentioned in Malcolm's QT, I currently think Svet is forcefully switching up his demeanor to throw AA9 and myself off. We recently played a mini last month where he outscummed us.

SO basicly TheEsquire told everyone who they had voted.

Not very hard to fake as scum.

Meh, it helps to see who is jumping all over the bandwagons.

Mm..IMO, what helps me is looking at the timing and other circumstances surrounding the votes, rather than listing players A-Z.

Sven goes on to poke and prod people with questions and gets answers. Seems to be actively hunting the scum menace and gives me a very pro-town vibe.

My eyebrow raises at his lack of follow-up/payoff. He looks busy, yeah, but I wouldn't let him or anyone off that easy for effort.

I'm on page 11. I'll post this so I don't have a big ass wall.

[xMALCOLMx]

To follow up the traitor crumb thing: I don't think the 3 members of the Shield are the only members of mafia in a 21 player.