Open 493 - Jungle Republic. (Game Over - Werewolf Victory)

[Bulbazak]

Sorry for the delay. Had a podcast that I had to do.

Reads:

Town:
Bacde
Syryana
Icebox

Null/Town:
Goodmorning
Klick

Null:
Thenewearth
Does Bo Know

Null/Scum:
Mac

Scum:
Egg
Autti
Fuzzybutternut

Feel free to ask questions. I may even answer them.

[thenewearth]

dbk don't ruin it for me :/

What am I ruining for you?

My town-read on you

[Does Bo Know]

Because...?

[thenewearth]

Because of how you read fuzzy. Being all wishy-washy and stuff

[Does Bo Know]

I just don't see what makes him such a scum read for everyone, that's all. Klick and Autti look like much better options.

[Does Bo Know]

VOTE: TNE

Was that a scum slip?

This looked pretty opportunistic in the first place.

He also had scum and town reads before a flip in that game.
VOTE: zachattack

This also looked fairly opportunistic, "elaborating" on Syryana catching scum. And fuzzy has a scum read on Syryana now.

So...Icebox/Klick team then?

VOTE: Klick

And so did this. And what does Fuzzy have Klick as scum for?

Opportunistic voting. I had him as a town read for a while, but that's dropped significantly. So that, mixed with other things that have already been said, yeah. Def scum.

P-edit: Holy shit stop posting so much. :s

I had checked Fuzzy's ISO and basically, this could be scummy. Can someone else give me the details on why else fuzzy is scum?

Also, somewhere else in Fuzzy's ISO, he said Klick was town for trying to get the game going. This was early in the ISO. And then Klick superlurks for a while. Lol

[Does Bo Know]

Opportunism is actually a perk of scum-Fuzzy, a la Newbie 1340.

Survivalism is a perk of...just Fuzzy, a la pretty much every game I've played him in.

But

, Fuzzy's reads are actually shit-terrible. So bad that I feel like scum talking in twilight would get reads out like that to fuck up the town.

I may vote fuzzy actually, but not now. Probably my second WTF revelation in this game after my decision to unvote Icebox.

Is Fuzzy at L-1?

[thenewearth]

Seriously DBK... Which is it? Town or scum?

[Does Bo Know]

Probably scum. But I want to see what everyone else has Fuzzy as scum for besides opportunism.

[Egg]

I've read through page 33 and I have to ask. Why is fuzzy's reaction so obvtown?

[thenewearth]

^ don't you know how reactions work?

[Klick]

So I have the following as very strong town reads:

Bacde
Mac
Icebox (regrettably)
Egg

That leaves 5/7 scum. In that, I'm confident that fuzzy is scum. GM, DBK, Autti, and TNE would be my other scum picks, in order of scumminess. Syry and Bulb both feel town, but I'm not sure.

I've pretty much lost interest in this game and in Mafia in general, so I don't really care who you lynch first between fuzzy and I, seeing as we're both going to be lynched regardless.

[Bacde]

So I have the following as very strong town reads:

Bacde
Mac
Icebox (regrettably)
Egg

That leaves 5/7 scum. In that, I'm confident that fuzzy is scum. GM, DBK, Autti, and TNE would be my other scum picks, in order of scumminess. Syry and Bulb both feel town, but I'm not sure.

I've pretty much lost interest in this game and in Mafia in general, so I don't really care who you lynch first between fuzzy and I, seeing as we're both going to be lynched regardless.

hey dude, you still have the opportunity to town it up in here, don't give up!

thats just gonna feed my confirmation bias and have me try to lynch you more

you're an excellent mod and I don't want to ruin our first experience playing together

Also fuzzy looks like a great option for a lynch today whether or not we are planning on lynching you

[Egg]

Goodmorning, the partner blame thing is something I've seen a good handful of scum hydras do. I can't recall seeing it from a town hydra. However, icebox is an uncountered claimed seer, so I'm willing to accept that I was wrong for now.

I can't say zach's play was great, but the Amished tell is going out of your way to mention it. I don't personally have a ton of experience with that tell, but the two or three times I saw it brought up, it was right and the people using it said it had been right in the past.

I thought the werewolves shooting mafia thing was what you meant by something vague in your post. You said something to the effect of "the WIFOM on page x" I think.

Also, who says scumfuzzy would have to be faking those final reads? If he is scum, maybe those are the players he thinks are on the other team.

[Klick]

This was gonna be my last game anyway, so it's not your fault that I'm demotivated here. Your pressure did get me to be more confident in my reads, though.

[Icebox]

Survivalism is a perk of...just Fuzzy, a la pretty much every game I've played him in.

Last time I played with him, he wasn't THIS survivalistic. At least, in D1.

-G

[Icebox]

dbk don't ruin it for me :/

What am I ruining for you?

My town-read on you

Because of how you read fuzzy. Being all wishy-washy and stuff

Being wishy-washy on general is bad. But being wishy-washy on certain person is a towntell.

-G

[zabriel]

Vote Count 1.11

FBN (Syryana, Klick, Bulba, Egg, Autti) - L-2
Klick (Mac, FBN, Bacde, DBK, TNE) L-2

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Let me know if I've missed anything.

Deadline has been extended to May 7th, at 6:00pm EST in order to give replacements time to post. ((expired on 2013-05-07 18:00:00))

[goodmorning]

Egg is casting a wide net in #769. Called or implied that 6 people were scum.

To be fair there are 5 Scum in the game, as has been hashed out to death like every five or so pages.

So I definitely fell asleep last night at around page 28. Gentlemen, here we go:

Updated reads list:
Town: Icebox (for uncc), Egg (for transparency), DBK (for sticking to his guns)
Lean Town: Klick (most recently, for apathy), Mac (because meta)
Null: Bulba (because I can't stop flipflopping), Bacde (for not having read back (there's some interesting stuff back there))
Lean Scum: tne (because 90% of his posts are unhelpful), Syr (because meta)
Scum: Autti (for being obvScum), fuzzy (in 99 posts, little substance, plus shitty "last reads" list)

Since there doesn't appear to be a wagon on Autti today...

Vote: fuzzy

That should be L-1.

[Bulbazak]

I want to see what everyone else has Fuzzy as scum for besides opportunism.

When I went back through his ISO for Icebox, I noticed a lot of backpedaling from Fuzzy. After going through his ISO again after Icebox claimed, I found that his play in general just doesn't feel genuine. I might be able to dredge up specific examples later, but I don't feel like doing so right now.

[Egg]

Bulb, I only count five scum reads in that post. You, fuzzy, klick, thene, and possibly goodmorning. Although I admit if you want to say I'm calling out a lot of possible scum, I've more than entertained the idea that mac or autti is scum. I also think Bo is worth looking at if thene flips scum. And I haven't entirely dismissed the idea that icebox could be scum but this isn't the time or place to be going after an uncountered claimed seer. So yeah, I have a lot of suspicions. The number of scum in this game is a huge reason why. I'm not saying every one of those players is scum, obviously. It's just where I'm looking. Right now, fuzzy, klick, and you are my primary focus.

Can you explain your town read on goodmorning? He's someone I'm trying to understand a bit because I had a town read on zach and he doesn't look so town so I'm wrong somewhere considering he replaced zach.

[Egg]

Bo, my reasons for fuzzy scum are mostly meta. It's the way he is actively scumhunting when he is town. Yes, it may be poor attempts, but you can clearly see the intent. I just don't see that in this game. Every one of his votes looks fake and forced, which while common in new town players, isn't townfuzzy at all.

Thene, yes. I look at reactions all the time. I don't see fuzzy's last reads as an obvtown reaction.

[Does Bo Know]

Right, okay, after looking through his ISO, he hadn't been as open with his scum hunting as he had with other games. Like in this game, the only individual scum hunting he did was at the very beginning of the game when he was looking at me. Other than that, he didn't really stand out as obvious as he was in other games.

Okay I can see it now. Intent to hammer later today.

Why do some people have Syryana as scum?

And Autti lynch tomorrow. Or Klick. The apathy thing isn't a very good point to lean town for him, GM.

[Does Bo Know]

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

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[fuzzybutternut]

>.> I'll remember this, DBK.