Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[Tierce]

Oh for fuck's sake.

I basically joined to get a wacky role and well.. Ya... :/

This is a vanilla claim. The kind of premature claim that is only made by derp Town. He wasn't under pressure, he wasn't being pushed, it was not trying to prematurely claim VT at L-4.

Admittedly, I've seen Town PRs (LOOKING AT YOU, WHISKERS) who stupidly make this kind of post when they are

not

vanilla, but I've never seen scum pull them like this.

And Oversoul, who loves to gambit PRs he doesn't have? No way he'd make this if he thought there was a chance he could fake a PR as scum, but I

hope

that by now he has learned that stupid gambits as Town do more ill than good (LOOKING AT YOU, OVERSOUL).

[Syryana]

L-5. Point is noted however. Hmm.

[Voidedmafia]

Will look at Shos and serra next, most likely, in no particular order.

[serrapaladin]

Yo Tierce, why point out OS' softclaim?

Scumreads are Syr and shos.

VM, what happened with your nightaction? I doubt there are two mafia-allies, so if he's an actual inventor, he's basically town.

Scummy stuff Syr has done:

• Considering the game mountainous when people were talking about roles.
  
• Random OMGUS vote of Rufflig.
  
• Wanting to lynch Para while he was afk.
  
• Pointing suspicion at me for defending him, when I was attacking Rufflig's post.
  
• Backpedaling on that attack, calling it a reaction test, and voting Voided for allegedly ruining the reaction test. His VM vote was just a cheap attempt to sell the idea that he was actually reaction testing.
  
• Voting UT for lack of content (which is not necessarily alignment indicative) and being on the Varsoon wagon (which Syr was, too).
  
• Not posting in pseudo-twilight when Para was fakehammered.
  
• His entire case on me relies on me asking questions that haven't led to me finding scum, when he hasn't been doing any better. He literally only quotes a few of my posts, without any indication of why they're bad...

Mafia-ally means a single 2-man scum team (see Katsuki's massive list of test-setups), so I think it's Syr/shos. Going through Syr's ISO, he doesn't direct a single post at shos, nor gives any justification for his read at all, he just votes shos twice. 589 references his scumread on shos, which he never gave any indication of, except by temporarily voting him twice.

[Tierce]

Yo Tierce, why point out OS' softclaim?

Because I'm not willing to go through a repeat of Yesterday defending a slot and a player and fighting uphill for it. Get it out of the way and be done with it.

[shos]

starting a reread from page 26.

[shos]

well post 642 is the first notable thing, the 'gambit' that failed by OS. I thnk that's a good thing and counts town points for oversoul - that is precisely the gambit that I did a while ago, just different way of performance.. too bad Syr got it too early. that doesn't mean anything about Syr tho

<not commenting on the dead parama>

Tierce 647: what is Alpha Omega? and I targetted PimHel tonight so no further proof yet

Serra 649: why is it unlikely? we had 2 kills N1 one of which Parama claimed to have made and N2 only one kill. the way I see it we're in mylo.

poor pimhel was so townie
OS 653 is good intent but does he do it

shos 655 is so right ^^

@656: I answered about OS, and I think that Tierce's posts since she came in were showing a town minded thought behind them. even if I don't agree with all she says (even most) it seems good and explained. I always tend to read Tierce as town tho so if anyone has anything against here enlighten me and I'll revise.

molla 658 is now answering the question and avoiding it

Tierce 668: explain to me why voided is obvtown for you. specifically, I want you to recollect your thoughts about how he pushed the wagon on me and how he entirely ignored the fact that I gave him an item until I was forced to claim despite the fact I hinted at it many times.

btw, can anyone teach me how to double-ISO?

674 rufflig: good eyes and question.

676 wall by OS:
~about massclaim: that's not tying them to one fakeclaim. that's just making them read the entire list and decide on a plan *now* instead of later. trust me - I was scum last game. that's how it works. it is of no use and we should only massclaim if we think that we'd do that in a normal game. now we're probably in mylo with no flipped scum so -

everyone: thoughts about a massclaim?

~you quoted 211 - my response - I see him doing this all the time, always think he's scum, he rarely was.
~it was Molla who insisted two scumteams, not rufflig. rufflig acknowledged the possibility. edit later: in 720 he explained. RUFFLIG: how do you explain lack of death tonight then?
~what do you think of the fact that 'it did not occur to voided' that the fact taht he LITERALLY recieved an ability at night is what I'm hinting at?

The last few posts in page 28 between voided & parama look HORRIBLE imo. does voided's reactions look like a townie's reactions to you guys? voided - why were you voting OS in the first place? just for the lulz? or is it not in your honor to not be voting?
ah, if only I got to a computer before you guys hammered I'd have actually unvoted parama by the end of this discussion and voted voided. damn you parama

@706 tierce: nobody said that voided's parked vote was worse than Parma's selfvote. it isn't, but it is just as bad. what do you mean what's wrong? sure, you can wait for stuff and not hammer immediately - you should! but why vote on an entirely random guy instead of just unvoting?? especially if that person has 3 votes and is the main counterwagon (even if less discussed). that discussion is stupid and should have given you heads up that parama is town and voided is scum imo.
this

Tierce
What's stopping him from
A: Unvoting if he doesn't want to lynch Oversoul
B: Voting someone else he finds actually scummy while still declaring intent to hammer me

???

Why is it specifically that Voided either votes someone he doesn't appear to see as scummy or hammer someone else?

is right

incrediblol @ 710 by parama
@712 voided: what if you don't make it? OS had 3 votes, not 1. just the way I didn't make it to unvote parama. and if you had no scumreads assuming parama is town, what are your reads NOW after the flips?

trololo @718. shoulda finished reading that

sooo at first I was thinking Tierce's 722 was a really good shot; then I was reminded that one of the N1 deaths were a Human Shield so definitely it is possible that parama DID shoot me and the shield got killed instead, making the post terribly terrible, but then I found

Also, I killed Sharper n1, you can thank me for making it harder for scum to hide~

which shows that the one who flipped VT was the one parama said he shot, so then this makes the post wonderful again and I'd vote parama again after reading that. so frustrating; this makes tierce good again. only problem I have is the timing in which this post came. I mean this was immediately after the collision that made someone unvote parama and might've made others too and possibly even vote voided; and it's not an easy find so I dunno.

Tierce hun, can you explain to me HOW you found that info that you wrote about in 722? I mean what, did you make a reread, decided to examine the nightkill, ISOed parama?

...~~~

oh I'd totally hammer parama after tierce's post and parama's response.

eh parama's 737 is probably bigger contribution to the game than his entire ISO.

!Vote Voidedmafia

for everything lulz



OH wow pimhel was mafia ally

751 OS is a good question. can anyone explain to me what is a mafia-ally? what it means etc?

actually

!xmafia help mafia-ally

!xmafia help ASSUMING the voteblocker had a target last night, if he's dead now, does that target still have no vote today?

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too tired to contnue.
self: continue next time from this post

[Tierce]

I'm heading out the door, so this will be quick and I'm not checking other stuff.

shos:

Alpha Omega is an RPG, I was in the middle of an online gaming session.

I didn't get the impression that you "hinted many times" at having targeted Voided, and even if you did, I'm not surprised that he wouldn't have gotten it. I've played an inventor, and one of my targets was completely clueless, nevermind that I signaled to them come the next Day and was eventually forced to claim. And I've already explained why he is obvTown to me, and this read was reinforced by the final argument against Parama. Voided was not voting "a random guy", he just didn't move his vote from the previous wagon, and it was as good there as 'not voting', because the wagon wasn't moving. (And I wasn't talking about Parama's self-vote, I was asking Pim why he hadn't mentioned serrapaladin's lack of vote until he voted Parama, but mentioned Voided's parked vote the moment serra changed his vote elsewhere.) It's a parked vote on a dead wagon while considering a hammer on another wagon. I've seen Town do it time and time again, and it wasn't like he

wanted

the Oversoul wagon to grow, so it wasn't an opportunistic vote on one-of-two Town wagons. Oversoul wasn't the main counterwagon, that wagon was completely dead.

I wrote Post 722 while ISOing Parama before sleep, I think I said that at the time. I was trying to see if the claim matched up, don't remember the exact context other than "insomnia, want to do

something

".

[Voidedmafia]

Voided was not voting "a random guy", he just didn't move his vote from the previous wagon, and it was as good there as 'not voting', because the wagon wasn't moving. (And I wasn't talking about Parama's self-vote, I was asking Pim why he hadn't mentioned serrapaladin's lack of vote until he voted Parama, but mentioned Voided's parked vote the moment serra changed his vote elsewhere.) It's a parked vote on a dead wagon while considering a hammer on another wagon. I've seen Town do it time and time again, and it wasn't like he wanted the Oversoul wagon to grow, so it wasn't an opportunistic vote on one-of-two Town wagons. Oversoul wasn't the main counterwagon, that wagon was completely dead.

Considering I was going to be snarky and condescending in my response, most likely, imma just quote this and agree with this.

Also, go to the bottom where you used to select ISOs, click that plus sign, and voila, double ISOs.

[Oversoul]

Oh for fuck's sake.

I basically joined to get a wacky role and well.. Ya... :/

This is a vanilla claim. The kind of premature claim that is only made by derp Town. He wasn't under pressure, he wasn't being pushed, it was not trying to prematurely claim VT at L-4.

Admittedly, I've seen Town PRs (LOOKING AT YOU, WHISKERS) who stupidly make this kind of post when they are

not

vanilla, but I've never seen scum pull them like this.

And Oversoul, who loves to gambit PRs he doesn't have? No way he'd make this if he thought there was a chance he could fake a PR as scum, but I

hope

that by now he has learned that stupid gambits as Town do more ill than good (LOOKING AT YOU, OVERSOUL).

Wow.

There goes that plan.

At least this makes me feel pretty solid town in you. Scum would try to hide that information so they could aim for PRs at night.
And I do ~crazy shit all the time.

To the point that I don't think I've actually told the complete truth about anything in any game. Ever.
Is that the truth?

But I stand behind my ideas that the fake Daykill was awesome and nabbed 2 scum imo while just making two very good town players uber confirmed town.

I am sorry about the other incident. I try to hide from that one.

[Voidedmafia]

To the point that I don't think I've actually told the complete truth about anything in any game. Ever.
Is that the truth?

...My head...

[Voidedmafia]

But really, Shos, I stated multiple times why I hadn't unvoted. Was it that hard to find?

[shos]

Voided was not voting "a random guy", he just didn't move his vote from the previous wagon, and it was as good there as 'not voting', because the wagon wasn't moving. (And I wasn't talking about Parama's self-vote, I was asking Pim why he hadn't mentioned serrapaladin's lack of vote until he voted Parama, but mentioned Voided's parked vote the moment serra changed his vote elsewhere.) It's a parked vote on a dead wagon while considering a hammer on another wagon. I've seen Town do it time and time again, and it wasn't like he wanted the Oversoul wagon to grow, so it wasn't an opportunistic vote on one-of-two Town wagons. Oversoul wasn't the main counterwagon, that wagon was completely dead.

Considering I was going to be snarky and condescending in my response, most likely, imma just quote this and agree with this.

http://www.explosm.net/comics/1892/


you did state multiple times that but still that argument did not look like tvt, and we have a flip on parama, so.

Tierce, link me to that inventor game of yours. you're defending voided far too many times in my memory of this game (and you're in it for only a short while..) and regardless I'd like to see it. putting myself in his position, if he's town then you go through a night doing whatever you can do or not and RECIEVING AN ABILITY, say, the mod gives you 1-shot track. well someone must've done that, right? now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if

I know what he's talking about

and that

he should be confirmed to me

then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

[Oversoul]

he apparently doesn't understand what a mafia-ally

And you do?

My question about Mafia-ally is more about technicalities with the role, such as... do Mafia-allies point to one scum team? Do mafia-allies know the members of said scum team? Do Mafia-allies have any ability of communicating? And so forth.

Since you apparently seem to know, why don't you answer it for me and try to help me grasp the game?

I believe the posts he is referring to here are #608 and #612. The first post called BBMolla's #599 bad. It doesn't take a genius to see the blatant WIFOM I'm referring to. In the second post, I am telling Parama I'm bussing him for towncred (should be fairly obvious it's a joke). How are the two related? How are they indicative of a scum mindset, particularly in light of Parama's flip?

I admit I was reading that in complete seriousness, but joke or not, why make that specific joke when you just called out BBmolla?

And yes, in light of Parama's flip this doesn't look as bad, but Parama's wagon was beginning to fail when you made that comment and context is very important with comments like this.

The off hand, quick remarks in my opinion are more telling because scum don't think about those as much when they make them.
I think you said this because BBmolla just got away with saying his little bit.

Newsflash, BB does this type of stuff ALL the time. It isn't scummy.

Sheeping a Tierce point.

What exactly is wrong with this?

Town read on your slot? What town read on your slot? You replace Untrod, who was almost the lynch yesterday instead of Parama. The only reason you didn't get lynched was a combination of Parama being scummier and Tierce saving your ass through Untrod meta. Your argument that I was trying to weaken the townread on Tierce is bad for similar reasons.

When BB said that he liked Tierce and I, I took that to mean BB thought Tierce and I were town reads to him. BB mentioned a third player, Pim, but you were only fixated on Tierce and I which is why I said you were trying to weaken town reads which so far you have to prove my assertion is false. You are just acting "confused" about it.
If you were genuinely curious about the town reads from BB on Tierce and I why didn't you push for more explanation?

Once BB posted his response to your question, you didn't follow up on it that Day. Instead you went V/LA and Param was lynched. Looking past that, even toDay, you didn't follow up on that. So yes, I question that statement of yours completely since it looks like it was thrown out there for seemingly no reason.

Especially when you were "waiting for BB and OS to comment on things" and you don't seem to care now that BB did comment on it.

Uh, what? If Parama was a counterwagon to scum, you are the scum. There was no wagon on me yesterday. Parama declared me conf-scum and voted me, but there was no wagon on me. Yet another point in your case evaporates.

At the end of the day, there were 3 votes on you.
I know I am town and thus I can't be a scum counterwagon to Parama-town which leaves you. Not to mention, I only had 1 vote on me which is hardly a counter wagon. You are trying to twist my words.

You being the scum counterwagon makes even more sense considering that Parma claimed he was going to kill you that night so it was essentially do or die for you.

I think you might be a vital PR to the scum which is why it was so dire that Parama died that day instead of you.

[Oversoul]

Voided was not voting "a random guy", he just didn't move his vote from the previous wagon, and it was as good there as 'not voting', because the wagon wasn't moving. (And I wasn't talking about Parama's self-vote, I was asking Pim why he hadn't mentioned serrapaladin's lack of vote until he voted Parama, but mentioned Voided's parked vote the moment serra changed his vote elsewhere.) It's a parked vote on a dead wagon while considering a hammer on another wagon. I've seen Town do it time and time again, and it wasn't like he wanted the Oversoul wagon to grow, so it wasn't an opportunistic vote on one-of-two Town wagons. Oversoul wasn't the main counterwagon, that wagon was completely dead.

Considering I was going to be snarky and condescending in my response, most likely, imma just quote this and agree with this.

http://www.explosm.net/comics/1892/


you did state multiple times that but still that argument did not look like tvt, and we have a flip on parama, so.

Tierce, link me to that inventor game of yours. you're defending voided far too many times in my memory of this game (and you're in it for only a short while..) and regardless I'd like to see it. putting myself in his position, if he's town then you go through a night doing whatever you can do or not and RECIEVING AN ABILITY, say, the mod gives you 1-shot track. well someone must've done that, right? now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if

I know what he's talking about

and that

he should be confirmed to me

then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

Some people are just really, really oblivious.

I remember this one time I was a seeking mason with a specific ability name (that I knew my partner knew) and I just outright repeated it 2/3 times while specifically mentioning him and it was just woosh. right over his head.

[Voidedmafia]

http://www.explosm.net/comics/1892/

You're the blue guy, btw.

now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if I know what he's talking about and that he should be confirmed to me then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

...I didn't make the connection? It happens sometimes?

P-EDIT: Oi. I know he said that I should know what he was talking about, but I was thinking along things inside the thread, not related to actions.

[Tierce]

Tierce, link me to that inventor game of yours. you're defending voided far too many times in my memory of this game (and you're in it for only a short while..) and regardless I'd like to see it. putting myself in his position, if he's town then you go through a night doing whatever you can do or not and RECIEVING AN ABILITY, say, the mod gives you 1-shot track. well someone must've done that, right? now, if someone specifically asks me like 3-4 times if I know what he's talking about and that he should be confirmed to me then MAKE THE FUCKING 1+1. srsly wut

The game is Catch-22, and it's linked on my wiki.

Being oblivious does not make him scum. If anything--look, imagine Voidedscum and shosTown. Voided knows that someone Town gave him an ability. This person is signaling to him. If he DOES notice that, does Voidedscum push for this person's claim? No, because the person might not be lynched and might even get protected at night. Voidedscum who realized you were a Town inventor would shut up, lynch someone else and kill you at night. Problem solved, no more Inventor.

You can't really say that being oblivious is scummy. Voided is clearly not with his head in the game.


And I have just learned that it is still legal to lynch horse thieves in Nevada, apparently. Much better than the word "scum".

[Voidedmafia]

And I have just learned that it is still legal to lynch horse thieves in Nevada, apparently. Much better than the word "scum".

Wait, what does this have to do with the game?

[Voidedmafia]

(And yes, I'm aware my head is not fully in this game. I've got a few personal things I'm doing right now that take precedence, and work is hitting a serious full tilt since the end of the fiscal year is May 31st and we want as many books out of the facility as possible by then. )

[Tierce]

And I have just learned that it is still legal to lynch horse thieves in Nevada, apparently. Much better than the word "scum".

Wait, what does this have to do with the game?

Nothing. Brief backstory: The husband told me that factoid as I was typing that post on my phone. Lynching, mafia games, scum/horse thieves--the line wrote itself.

[BBmolla]

Sounds like a good game theme.

OS still seems townier than I've ever seen him.

[BBmolla]

Lynch Syryana?

[serrapaladin]

!vote Syryana

I'm pretty sure it's not MyLo, so that should be fine.

[The Rufflig]

Think twice on Syryana. We may indeed be in MYLO.

mafia:

Redirecter, Mafioso, Malfunctioning Inventor;

mafia-ally:

Inventor; town: Watcher, Role Cop (0%), Unlynchable, Eavesdropper, Twin, Cop (Paranoid), Mystery Role (Magnet), Townie, Retired Cop (Paranoid)

A 3-man scum team with a mafia-ally is possible. Keep in mind that PimHel did not use his ability until last night - this might have been a game-ending play on his part. Otherwise, he could have waited one more night.

@Syryana: Would you mind tossing a vote somewhere to prove that you were blocked?

[The Rufflig]

In a 3-man scum team:
8 alive need 5 votes to lynch. 8 votes - 3 scum votes - 1 townie who can't vote = 4 votes. Scum lynch impossible. We would be in MYLO. Best course of action would be a no lynch. Tomorrow would be LYLO.

In a 2 man scum team:
8 alive, 5 votes needed to lynch. If PimHel had not been killed, town would not have the required votes to get a lynch today. As it is, we need all remaining townies to lynch a scum unless one of the scum busses his partner.

Either way, I suspect a blocked Syryana means Syryana is town.