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Post Post #3225 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:42 am

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In post 3149, chkflip wrote:The taxi drove by as the man in the limo left another letter to the man listening to bass-laden music at an obnoxious volume.
Although I just noticed this bit..

Not only is the Taxi and the Limo driver not the same person, but this also points to Jason being in the Limo...

And if I am not mistaken the Limo is what the mafia were driving in other scenes...

Now I am confused..

P_A pretty sure we don't have anymore cult because munky left the game as "his job was done" and other places needed saving.
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Post Post #3226 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:51 am

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The JacobSavage letter was a bit misleading as well, wasn't it? Calling him helpful and whatnot.

Actually, I suspect we need to hit Mafia or cult ourselves today. Mafia has no incentive to shoot for cult tonight, assuming the shooter's more clued in than we are. I'm not sure how LyLo with Mafia-cult-town would work; in the one chkflip-Micro game, cult didn't get the win until they were the majority, not 50-50, although there they didn't know who else was cult.

Mafia-wise, Baby Spice's claim isn't a great one for Mafia to fake. It seems, given pidgey's run, that Mafia were more likely claiming the town side of their roles. Jason can't be Mafia, Kise is OP'd as Mafia.

Working from vanillaizing cult, Oversoul cannot be cult, as his silencing worked the night after JacobSavage was lynched, and I think it's apparent that we don't have another recruiter in play. JasonWazza can only be cult if he's colluding with Baby Spice, which at this point is only possible if Baby Spice is Mafia tacitly agreeing to cover his tracks. Which doesn't follow, really.

Baby Spice and Kise are also both mentioned in flavor post-JacobSavage's lynch:
In post 3149, chkflip wrote:The taxi drove by as the man in the limo left another letter to the man listening to bass-laden music at an obnoxious volume.
Since I know I'm not cult, that all leads me to believe that either a) Baby Spice is somehow cult while being mentioned in a flavor way, b) the flavor is bastard, or c) cult isn't vanillaizing. (c) is very likely true, as I recall Baby Spice got a gift from the inventor that was running shoes? I think the only other one who could have according to claims is JasonWazza, as Oversoul would have silenced Yamahako and Kise was commuting every night. And Jason claimed having received a gift a few days ago, but I don't think he specified what it was. At this point, if both of you could specify what the terms of the gifts were, that would be helpful.

This is irritating; my analysis should have me as very likely anti-town, either as cult whom Nero was trying to distance from at the end or as lying Mafia who super-bussed pidgey. But I'm not, so I'm missing something. Yes, yes, WIFOM, AtE, whatever.

Actually, Oversoul makes sense as Mafia for the whole night where pidgey targeted him. It was being bandied about that one could target Oversoul to prove oneself; scum could have figured multiple people would go for that, and so killing him and being silenced wouldn't have been as much of a standout as later on. Instead, Mafia killed a mason when they knew the mason group didn't have any anti-Mafia powers. Why not take the opportunity to kill Oversoul? Especially since with pidgey targeting him (assuming they could choose where the kill came from) there would be two people silenced and so multiple scum killer options. Even if one was lynched, the other would have the alibi of having 'just been trying to prove himself.'

Unless people think Kise is mod-revealed scum with:
In post 3217, chkflip wrote:He got out of his vehicle knowing the task at hand might be quite difficult. He cocked his shotgun and went around the back way.
I'm inclined to go with Oversoul as today's lynch.
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Post Post #3227 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:52 am

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In post 3226, penguin_alien wrote:This is irritating; my analysis should have me as very likely anti-town, either as cult whom Nero was trying to distance from at the end or as lying Mafia who super-bussed pidgey. But I'm not, so I'm missing something. Yes, yes, WIFOM, AtE, whatever.
Why are you still saying that a cult exists?
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Post Post #3228 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:53 am

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Did you read either of my two posts before you posted that or was that concocted before I even made my posts?
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Post Post #3229 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:55 am

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Scratch that last sentence; I missed your post.

I forgot there was a limo in play with JasonWazza. Which makes the 'vehicle' thing less immediately incriminating. But seeing as town doesn't have any flipped cop-like roles, I doubt scum has two of them.

Maybe Kise makes more sense.

Oversoul, can you elaborate on your choice to hammer pidgey yesterday?

P-Edit: Because otherwise Nero Cain was playing really poorly by outing himself. Sure, maybe he was gambling we'd think Mafia was a bigger threat than cult, but if he was last cult standing, he had to know he'd be lynched or NK'd eventually.
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Post Post #3230 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:57 am

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No, in pulling quotes for the posts I was making I missed your posts coming up in the 'posts that have been made since you started' view.
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Post Post #3231 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:01 am

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OK, say we no-lynch. I get NK'd at that point, since scum can't target you, Baby Spice, or Kise according to claims, and I'll be guarding JasonWazza as a result. Another no-lynch day gets us to JasonWazza being NK'd the next night, since he's no longer protected. Then it's you, Baby Spice, and Kise at LyLo. With possible cult in play, making it a Kingmaker situation for town.

Unless JasonWazza or I is Mafia, that's how it's going down.
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Post Post #3232 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:01 am

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In post 3229, penguin_alien wrote:P-Edit: Because otherwise Nero Cain was playing really poorly by outing himself. Sure, maybe he was gambling we'd think Mafia was a bigger threat than cult, but if he was last cult standing, he had to know he'd be lynched or NK'd eventually.
Which is why he hammered himself?

I saw you or Pidgey as the final scum. I didn't care who got lynched because I would want the other dead the following day. I'm actually surprised there even is another mafia member.

Your WIFOMY crap about scum trying to make a master plan with my silencing ability is bull as Pidgey would have likely been lynched regardless of what he did and all that would have done is point to the other mafia person.

You are eager to go back and use the flavor as justification for certain suspicions, yet you completely ignore Munky's leaving flavor. Why?
It is essentially proof that the Cult is gone.

Why do you want to know about our inventions? If you really do believe a cult still exists wouldn't you want us to hide it so that the cult won't know?
Your actions and your suspicions don't match up.

Have you shown up in the flavor yet Penguin?
Have you shown up on anyone else's roles? I thought I remember you being confirmed for having targetted someone but I forget.
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Post Post #3233 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:02 am

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WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS STILL A CULT?

YOU ARE ACTING SUPER PARANOID FOR NO FREAKING REASON AND IT MAKES YOU LOOK SUPER FUCKING SCUMMY SINCE YOU ARE TRYING TO USE THE JUSTIFICATION OF A CULT TO LYNCH CERTAIN PEOPLE WHEN I AM PRETTY SURE THERE IS NO LONGER ANY CULT.
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Post Post #3234 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:03 am

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Alternatively, lynch either your or Jason and get to 3P LyLo.
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Post Post #3235 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:08 am

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I'm assuming cult can no longer recruit, so revealing inventions should indicate who is less likely to have been recruited. Yes, Nero self-hammering actually points more strongly to him protecting another cultist at that point. Otherwise by both outing himself and self-hammering, he is most definitely playing against his wincon.

I'm assuming munkyman left because he was the last mason standing and his ability was no longer useful as per dramonic's flip. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, but that question is for post-game analysis.

I haven't shown up since Night Three. Which I find rather irritating, since I was bodyguarding Lurker the night he was given the poison apple. I do show up protecting Iecerint Night Two and metal sonic Night Three.
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Post Post #3236 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:18 am

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BTW, what do you propose to do if I get lynched and Mafia doesn't kill? Wait them out, or assume Jason is scum at MyLo? One way or another you're going to have to deal with lynching amidst {Baby Spice, Kise, Oversoul}
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Post Post #3237 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:28 am

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Fuck sake, there's more.

In my defense, the mafia have had a nexus, 1-bulletproof and godfather. And with a ninja, that means neither he or I get tracked.

Looking at my iso, there's reason to believe peng is town via walt's action and the scenes linking her to Iec n2.

gonna read but nah not no lynching twice
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Post Post #3238 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:32 am

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In post 3149, chkflip wrote:The superhero watched in sadness as the final man-of-a-blue-box-sort would leave Mainstream Avenue for good. His job was done. He had other places to save. Little did our caped crusader know what was in store just behind him.
The clicking sound of a shotgun being cocked was certainly a good idea.
There was no time to run, to fly away, nothing. We say farewell to two great heroes tonight. Shame, really, as things were going so well for so long.

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The taxi drove by as the man in the limo left another letter to the man listening to bass-laden music at an obnoxious volume.[/b][/color][/area]


Elyse
was blown away N7! They were
Town Conditional Jack of all Trades
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Toogeloo
bled out slowly N7! They were
Town Ruffian
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munkyman
left Mainstream Avenue N7! They were
Town Psychiatrist
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I would say the same person using the shotgun killed the last 2 nights.
In post 3216, chkflip wrote:
He attempted to defend his help for the town, but ultimately it didn't matter. He and his partner nodded at one another; the others looked around as they only watched this "investigator" but they didn't see who he was looking at.
The six left swarmed the poor old man, beating him down and taking his gun away from him. His hand had fresh marks from firing the pistol
and that's how they knew they had made the right decision. They strung him up hard and they strung him up quick. It didn't take long for the old-school double agent to choke to death. This was it for him... but still there remained a problem on Mainstream Avenue.


pidgey
was lynched D8! He was
Mafia Nexus Flavor Cop
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NIGHT 8 DEADLINE: (expired on 2013-05-20 00:00:00)
((Baby Spice was actually the lynch vote and I hadn't noticed; apologies.))
pidgey's weapon of choice was a pistol.

With these two scenes, gonna say Jason is clear for sending ze letter (on top of me and my taxi :P )
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Post Post #3239 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:46 am

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well wtf, someone killed walt with a missile launcher
In post 2779, Yamahako wrote:My post in my Mason QT after receiving the letter from Jason (I had to paraphrase it even in the QT per the mod):
Yamahako wrote:It said that Baby Spice is a good friend of the community - and that we might not have hip-hop if it wasn't for his beats and killer tracks. It said that Baby Spice is an African american man. Baby Spice appears dangerous looking on the outside, but we made the right decision in giving him the present.
In post 3008, Toogeloo wrote:I targeted Pidgey last night, result was nothing happened.

I also received Jason's letter last night in regards to Oversoul (thought it he was labeled Overtoast in the letter).

It was addressed, "Dear American," went on to say, something something Overtoast is neglectful, something something he's not ill-intent, something something dark side, something something watch other people, something something leave the guy with the bat alone, something something your "Trusted Politician."
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Post Post #3240 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:48 am

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meh honestly some of jason's letters were wrong. I'm leaning OS.
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Post Post #3241 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 11:31 am

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I'm leaning the silencer myself just based on set-up spec.

So Oversoul.

Kise, PA, &JW all kinda line up with roles of scum. (Godfather, BP, & Role Cop)

Whereas Oversoul kinda lines up with Toog (Along with the scumRB lines up with Toog too)
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Post Post #3242 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 11:42 am

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You're all so fucking stupid it is unbelievable.

LET ME JUST CRUMB MY ROLE FOR DAYS TO SWORD AND TO NERO AND THEN TRY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO GET OTHERS CONFIRMED AS NON CULT VIA MY ABILITY

YES COMPLETELY SCUM MOTIVATED

If you lynch me for this then the town really has no hope of winning because that means 1 of Jason or PA can enter in LyLo.
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Post Post #3243 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 11:44 am

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In post 3239, Kise wrote:well wtf, someone killed walt with a missile launcher
All mafia kills say Blown Away, I don't know why you are getting so hung up on that piece of flavor
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Post Post #3244 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 11:45 am

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In post 3236, penguin_alien wrote:BTW, what do you propose to do if I get lynched and Mafia doesn't kill? Wait them out, or assume Jason is scum at MyLo? One way or another you're going to have to deal with lynching amidst {Baby Spice, Kise, Oversoul}
Yes wait them out.

it is against their wincondition to not kill so eventually they will be forced to do it.
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Post Post #3245 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 11:53 am

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In post 3242, Oversoul wrote:You're all so fucking stupid it is unbelievable.
Because 'yelling' and calling people stupid worked really well for pidgey...
LET ME JUST CRUMB MY ROLE FOR DAYS TO SWORD AND TO NERO AND THEN TRY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO GET OTHERS CONFIRMED AS NON CULT VIA MY ABILITY

YES COMPLETELY SCUM MOTIVATED
Why wouldn't scum want to find cult?
If you lynch me for this then the town really has no hope of winning because that means 1 of Jason or PA can enter in LyLo.
Do you think there's any chance Jason is scum given his role and given that he sent his notes to town players rather than scum?

Baby Spice and Kise, where do you stand on the possibility of a last cult member in play? If yes, do you think cult is vanillaizing? If no, please explain Nero's play the day he was lynched.
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Post Post #3246 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:07 pm

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Because I give a rat's fucking ass about Pidgey.

I will call out idiots when I see them.
The logic being used against me is absolutely ridiculous. Your passive power kinda sorta in a way that is really hard to get unless you squint relates to another town player!

Yet they don't look at the fact that PA is a bodyguard when we already have a flipped doctor? Oh yes. That is definitely logical.

Not to mention, what fucking use is my ability for a mafia member? If you look at ALL the other flipped mafia, you will see that those abilities are USEFUL.

Not to mention Pidgey TARGETTED me because he wanted to LOOK town. What scum buddies would tie themselves to each other?

The "case" against is absolutely ludicrous and makes no sense.
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Post Post #3247 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:10 pm

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I think there is a chance that Jason is scum, but only because of that weird flavor connection. Him being scum had not entered my mind and I think that you are much more likely.

Tell me what PA, looking past today if I am Lynched who is the last mafia member?
This goes for Kise, Jason, and Baby too.
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Post Post #3248 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:23 pm

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I think the cult is gone.

Nero was basically pegged by flavour. His only hope was to push for the town to hunt scum and end up in a lylo type situation.

The thing is that everyone is in play as possible scum. Even Kise.

But there are several things that should be considered.

From what I can see no scum turned up with an active ability in the fluff. So Oversoul and myself as passives are likely.
Oversoul is the only role that seems to have a town counterpart. Kise, PA, and JW's roles do appear to have scum counterparts though.
Mine has no counterpart that I can identify. With the cult diing the vanilla on people this is not a certainty though.

PA's insistance on a cult worries me. Tracking the cultings through the fluff and we get them all gone. There's no mention of a culting N1, which makes me wonder if that was when the second recruiter was grabbed. Or if they started with two, that they were blocked. Regardless, Munkey departed job done and fluff indicates that he was here to defeat cult.

Ok, Pidgey might have showed up when him and Yama targeted Oversoul. But it doesn't show him being active, just that he suffered the results of targeting O.

Bah. Need more sleeps.
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Post Post #3249 (ISO) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:37 pm

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While I shouldn't be in the position to be involved in LyLo if we mislynch today, as I'll be protecting Jason, Kise would be most likely to me off the top of my head. I'm not decided today yet; I want to see what ISOing you , Baby Spice, and Kise turns up, as it was pretty useful with pidgey.

And as far as utility goes, I think we can agree that mcqueen's ability that made him hammer himself was hardly useful.

Something else I was thinking about: the SK was apparently immune to Jason's letter investigation, and I assumed the same applies to TiphaineDeath. The Thor letter went to a cult recruit, so we got nothing either by Iecerint's choice or interference. I find it curious that the JacobSavage's letter received by Baby Spice said he was helpful and welcoming without implying he was cult. If he had immunity that Thor presumably shared, that makes four of ten scum immune to the cop's power. Kind of a lousy cop.

Baby Spice, why would Nero self-hammer in that situation?
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