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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 4:37 am

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As promised, my explanation--I'm actually surprised that I'm in a newbie game, because quite frankly you guys read my play like a book. :P

I voted uctriton for post six, for the exact reason Jason would later use--because I found post six to be an attempt to manipulate the newbies to his side.

Thus, uctriton was the scummiest player to have posted, and most deserving of my vote.

Jason pointing out my point before I could make it, therefore, means that he's become my strongest townread.

However, I unvoted uctriton because uct is also a townread of mine, for the way he handled the debate. The Jason vs. uct debate feels like town vs. town, but what really sold uct as town is this:
I don't mind being the topic of conversation Day 1.
Bringing attention to yourself accidentally is a bit of a scumtell, but bringing attention onto yourself as town can be a
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move; I know that in my arrogant youth, I did that sort of thing all the time--always as town, never as scum.

This is something unique to me, but I used vote/unvote tags for uct, and only bold tags for Lucky. This is meant as a tipoff to the strength of my read. Uct was a serious scumread, but reversed to a serious townread, hence the vote/unvote tags. Lucky2u is a minor scumread, for post 7, where he ASKS,
Should I random vote now?
I felt that as town, it's more likely to just do it than to ask for permission to do it. However, this is clearly not as strong as what my uct scumread had been, hence the mere vote.

The lack of explanation comes from two reasons. The first I was surprised to see Lucky2u nail, in that it's to gather reactions. (That insight is something I find slightly more likely to come from scum, so my vote will be staying.)

The second reason is that--as the IC--I want to encourage players to think for themselves as much as possible. As a newbie, there's a large temptation to just sheep the IC, with the thought, "oh, hey, that guy's clearly better than me", and/or "I think his logic is strong, so I'm going to follow it".

Don't get me wrong, occasionally sheeping someone is a good thing, especially if you're not confident in your own reads, but I don't want to encourage that behavior as your teacher. Instead, I want players to think for themselves. They can analyze things themselves and make guesses as to why I'm voting, which forces them to think for themselves.

Also, by not revealing my reasons, the discussion can shift in a direction which it otherwise would not have. Had I revealed my reasons, we'd have been focusing primarily on uctriton/Jason and Lucky2u still, whereas without the explanation, other players have also come under the spotlight.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 4:40 am

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I like Nul because he is trying to make reads like I make reads. That's exactly the way I play/write/perceive. It seems genuine. Have a town card, don't spend it all in one place!

To Radiant: yeah I haven't come off as bold in other games, but lo and behold here we are. For clarification, see Paradigm's post.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 4:45 am

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As for other reads I have, Nul is another strong townread, right up there with Uct and Jason. His insight into Lucky2u is solid, as is his analysis on other players. I have a bit of a minor suspicion on radiant cowbells myself, though not as strong as my Lucky2u suspicion. (Which, itself, is not as strong as I'd prefer it to be. :P)

I don't really have enough content to get a strong read on any other player, but I do have a slight townread on crazzygoat. (Which, when put into words, means I've basically only not got a read on two players. I have strong townreads on Nul, uct, and Jason, a scumread on Lucky2u, a weaker scumread on radiant cowbells, and a weak townread on crazzy. That's 6/9, which including me is 7/9.)

Also, since my last message was at the bottom of the page, making sure the mod sees it:
In post 49, mastin2 wrote:
Mod:
I'm showing signs of a fever, so I might be knocked out of commission tomorrow. Add in weekend V/LA and Memorial Day weekend, and I might not be able to post until Tuesday, so
V/LA until Tuesday, May 28th
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V/LA noted.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 5:01 am

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I'm glad to be right about Mastin. I don't see why calling that was a scum tell but oh well. Concerning why I asked about random vote in my first post, since it set some alarms with you all, it's because there were two posts before me that didn't random vote. In my first game, everyone came out the gate with a RVS, so I was thrown a bit off by that not happening this time.

As for my current scum reads, I'm leaning towards those who are saying the least but are still here. Like Radiant and Para. I don't have any strong town reads.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 6:08 am

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In post 53, Lucky2u wrote:As for my current scum reads, I'm leaning towards those who are saying the least but are still here. Like Radiant and Para. I don't have any strong town reads.
Vote: Lucky2u


Contributed almost nothing with his post. I don't like it at all. His scum reads are too basic; inactivity. We're 3 pages in, I'm sure you can construct a better post than this. ISO him and you'll realise he hasn't even been trying to scum hunt.

I think the battle between uct and jason is town fighting town, and it's hilarious.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 6:35 am

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I also don't believe someone can have no town reads at this point in the game.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 7:26 am

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Sheesh Nul, so critical so fast.

Also, what do you mean by "at this point in the game"? We are in Day 1 with almost all of the two week deadline left and one player still yet to check in. In my opinion, it's still damn early and I won't rush myself because you are on a hammer hunt. You can keep your vote, but I'm not changing my play style.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 7:37 am

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Town or scum, I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately. See all but one of my (other) current games where I have or am or was in the process of being lynched on my first day replaced in or the day that it started, 1347, and my first game ever, 1335.

I'm good at scumhunting but not so good at arguing that I'm town, so I feel like it's in the town's best interest if I sit back and let other's duke it out until I have a strong opinion as to who the scum is, then point out that they are scum, have the town lynch me instead, then perhaps have that person get lynched the next day.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 7:45 am

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Unvote
. Eh, still minorly suspicious of Lucky, but it's at this point largely based off of gut, not logic. :P

As such, not really comfortable leaving my vote on him when someone else has also done so. (See also--quickwagons are bad. :P)

Not exactly feeling so hot (or rather, am feeling significantly more hot than I should be feeling :P), so probably leaving soon to rest.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 8:09 am

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I lost my thumbs at birth mate.

uctrition00 looks mildly suspicious after rereading all the post. His motives appear to be attempting to sheep new players into luring a win for his mafia game, for example:

[quote=uctrition00 #6]I'm one of the SEs, which means I'm good at Mafiascum.net. If unsure of how to win game, follow what I say.[/quote]

It makes sense he would do this because this is a newbie game and most of us aren't well experienced.

Now here's another post by him:

[quote=utrition00]Checked in but hasn't said anything; must be plotting.[/quote]

Directly after being voted on by Mastin, he tries to shift the focus away from himself. Typical mafia move.

Jason pretty much picked out the rest of the details. USUALLY though, those who appear to be scum on Day 1, usually isn't. Just saying. Mastin could be trying to sheep us too with his IC, but it's obvious he isn't being a try-hard with it.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 8:34 am

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VOTE COUNT 1.1


Crazzygoat (1) - Lucky2u
mattel (0) -
Lucky2u (1) - Nul
Nul (0) -
Paradigm (0) -
RadiantCowbells (1) - Crazzygoat
JasonWazza (1) - uctriton00
uctriton00 (2) - JasonWazza, RadiantCowbells
mastin2 (0) -

Not Voting: mattel, Paradigm, mastin2

V/LA: mastin2 (until Tues 5/28)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Wednesday, June 5th at 12:45 pm PDT or in
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 8:36 am

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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 10:55 am

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I've got a slight town read on Mastin2 due to the sheer content of post 50

I have a slight scum read on uct, Martin I understand that he said " I don't mind being the topic on day 1 " but that could very easily be scum trying to prove himself

I was having a scum read on lucky2u but then he said "I'm not changing my playstyle" I feel like f he were scum he would change his play style to please the town ( this was said in post 56 )

That's all the reads I have that I can back up with a post
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 12:06 pm

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In post 50, mastin2 wrote:Jason pointing out my point before I could make it, therefore, means that he's become my strongest townread.
Is this really a smart thing to do though; people who agree with you are automatically townie to you?
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 2:12 pm

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In post 63, uctriton00 wrote:
In post 50, mastin2 wrote:Jason pointing out my point before I could make it, therefore, means that he's become my strongest townread.
Is this really a smart thing to do though; people who agree with you are automatically townie to you?
Let me answer for him. No. It isn't and if he thinks it is, he will be the easiest one of the scum to manipulate. That is a horrible way to decide a town read, and please don't make that same mistake.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 3:18 pm

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I love your crowley avatar.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 3:32 pm

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I hope you read all my posts in his voice :)
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 3:43 pm

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I do XD
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 4:39 pm

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I have a strong town read off of Radiant... No fan of Supernatural could ever be scum....

Seriously though, I hope you aren't, because I hate to lynch a fellow hunter.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 6:04 pm

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I like this,

Whats up with the fluff you two?
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 6:07 pm

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In post 57, RadiantCowbells wrote:Town or scum, I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately. See all but one of my (other) current games where I have or am or was in the process of being lynched on my first day replaced in or the day that it started, 1347, and my first game ever, 1335.

I'm good at scumhunting but not so good at arguing that I'm town, so I feel like it's in the town's best interest if I sit back and let other's duke it out until I have a strong opinion as to who the scum is, then point out that they are scum, have the town lynch me instead, then perhaps have that person get lynched the next day.
No the less I personally would still like your opinion on certain things. Reads are always nice
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 6:07 pm

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Non the less * friggin auto correct
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 7:13 pm

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UNVOTE: uctriton00
VOTE: Paradigm


First post was pathetic and at best fluff.

Second post is a poor attempt to do the following
a) set up to sheep me
b) set up to lynch Mastin based on being an IC
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 10:19 pm

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Anyone not actively involved in scum hunting is a scum in my book. Seriously guys, Lucky2u has been posting the entire time but not once has he even contributed at all. ISO him if you don't believe me. The whole thread all he's been doing is either defending himself or trying to buddy. Anyone who is a townie should be attempting to find scum at this point, this is common knowledge.

tldr; I'm not convinced by your post Lucky2u.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Thu May 23, 2013 10:21 pm

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What about Paradigm then Nul?
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