Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Dyslexicon]

I may be wrong but I was curious about the Toomai wagon I think I am oblivious to why vote him? I just need to know what is up with him >.<

I think the main beef people have with me is the conception that I votehop and therefore don't care who gets lynched as long as it's not me. If that's what people want to think then whatever.

If you are town you should care at least a bit about what people think as you wouldn't want a mislynch to happen. *wiggles finger*

VOTE: ac1983fan

[GoodCopBadCop]

Got lots of exams coming up so I'm not gonna be that active.
I'd V/LA but I don't know if BC will be here.

Also, Kuribo was a weird kill.

- GC

[GoodCopBadCop]

Kuribo invited me to the neighborhood night 1. Our QT was daytalk enabled so scum most likely also have daytalk.

- GC

[qwints]

Vote Count 2.2

Cheery Pie: Hapahauli, Jake from Rainbowdash, Varsoon (3)
Toomai: hp[leaves], Scott Brosius (2)
ac1983fan: Toomai, Dyslexicon (2)

Not voting -- GoodCopBadCop, Cheery Pie, ac1983fan, Daemon385 (4)

With eleven alive, it takes six to lynch

Day Two ends in (expired on 2013-06-05 17:00:00)

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Toomai actually makes a good point in 749, nothing suggests that ac's play has been pro-town, and I still originally liked the case by hap. Sitting back doing nothing, at least Nic made the attempt to do something.

vote: ac

[Daemon385]

Aye he even tried to leave us with something as he knew we were probably lynching him. Just cause you claim a PR role you shouldn't just sit back because if you are that roll and such a needed one then you NEED to do as much as you can for the town until something happens.

[Varsoon]

I've forgotten a lot of what was happening in this game, so lemme review it again.

[hp [leaves]]

Hp, thoughts on CD and AC?

CD?

I might look into ac later but his priority will keep rising if he keeps his silence.

[hp [leaves]]

Kuribo invited me to the neighborhood night 1. Our QT was daytalk enabled so scum most likely also have daytalk.

- GC

that's nice to know

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

post_id=4976839 time=1369339508 user_id=10128]

Hp, thoughts on CD and AC?

CD?

I might look into ac later but his priority will keep rising if he keeps his silence.

sorry, i meant CP aka Cheery Pie

and I don't want you to put AC off for later, I want your opinion of him now, since you said this before

post_id=4957189 time=1368651805 user_id=10128]Oh well, I trust you on this one Hapa.

Claim, ac. Claim till you die.

clearly you have some sort of opinion of him already. I want to know if your opinion of him is still the same or has it changed.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@hap - With that kill acfan is very likely scum. Im happy lynching him today.

Its going to be WIFOM but you should follow here too. Basically the kill is a massive tell. Look who the likely kills would be: Zef and hap. Now approach this from a standpoint of town-acfan. Who is going to die (most likely) assuming both town? Its very clearly Zef. That is a quiet quiet spot that has a loud player replacing in and everypony thinks is town. aka a threat.

On the other hoof, why would scum kill Hap if acfan was town? They wouldn't. Pure and simple they wouldn't because it would likely end with a mislynch of acfan. Scum would be more than happy to keep a prob-town who wants a PR dead alive.

By that logic, acfan cant be town because the "protect" he would have made as town would have been Zef. While im sure he is going to run in and claim that he protected the player who wanted him dead or something... but it doesn't make any sense.

The kill seems to line up with acfan being scum and just making that side kill without really thinking about who he would protect as town. Sometimes the best way to catch scum who has claimed a role (outside of trumping it with role information - which if it exists here shouldn't be said) is to compare it to what they should be doing in that situation. acfan I don't think approached this as he would town (outside of him about to claim "oh I got RBed" or something like that).

Varsoon and Hap are town still though. Pretty sure of that one.

[hapahauli]

@ Cheery

Which ones do you want to talk about. My scumreads are still all in this thread.
I think the only one that I haven't talked about is Toomai, and I doubt that one is the case now.

Let's start with this: who would you like to see hang today?

Also, does the NC flip inform/change your opinions on anything?

@ Jake/Rainbow

@hap - With that kill acfan is very likely scum. Im happy lynching him today.

Its going to be WIFOM but you should follow here too. Basically the kill is a massive tell. Look who the likely kills would be: Zef and hap. Now approach this from a standpoint of town-acfan. Who is going to die (most likely) assuming both town? Its very clearly Zef. That is a quiet quiet spot that has a loud player replacing in and everypony thinks is town. aka a threat.

On the other hoof, why would scum kill Hap if acfan was town? They wouldn't. Pure and simple they wouldn't because it would likely end with a mislynch of acfan. Scum would be more than happy to keep a prob-town who wants a PR dead alive.

By that logic, acfan cant be town because the "protect" he would have made as town would have been Zef. While im sure he is going to run in and claim that he protected the player who wanted him dead or something... but it doesn't make any sense.

The kill seems to line up with acfan being scum and just making that side kill without really thinking about who he would protect as town. Sometimes the best way to catch scum who has claimed a role (outside of trumping it with role information - which if it exists here shouldn't be said) is to compare it to what they should be doing in that situation. acfan I don't think approached this as he would town (outside of him about to claim "oh I got RBed" or something like that).

Varsoon and Hap are town still though. Pretty sure of that one.

Is this Rainbow?

I find it really, really hard to believe that you 180'd on your ACfan read for NK WIFOM. I'm also slightly bitter that you didn't listen to me yesterday when I was screaming about all of this =/

[Toomai]

I'm not doing this nightkill speculation stuff. I want ac1983fan to get in here and tell us who he protected without too much discussion of it beforehand.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Is this Rainbow?

I find it really, really hard to believe that you 180'd on your ACfan read for NK WIFOM. I'm also slightly bitter that you didn't listen to me yesterday when I was screaming about all of this =/

Well believe it.

This is basically what I was saying in the QT and part of the reason that I didn't want to lynch acfan. I tend to be good with reading motivation and setting up scenarios where the outcome is beneficial. This kill reads like acfan is scum, and the fact that it went through makes it that much more likely.

Whats changed to make you not like the lynch? Sometimes its about putting past arguments aside when you know you are right about something.

[Cheery Pie]

Working on a large-ish post that'll put some current reads out there clearly and share whatever else is on our minds.

Just got to make sure both heads are pulling in the same direction.

[hp [leaves]]

post_id=4976839 time=1369339508 user_id=10128]

Hp, thoughts on CD and AC?

CD?

I might look into ac later but his priority will keep rising if he keeps his silence.

sorry, i meant CP aka Cheery Pie

and I don't want you to put AC off for later, I want your opinion of him now, since you said this before

post_id=4957189 time=1368651805 user_id=10128]Oh well, I trust you on this one Hapa.

Claim, ac. Claim till you die.

clearly you have some sort of opinion of him already. I want to know if your opinion of him is still the same or has it changed.

hapa's case on him was pretty solid; but the speed of his wagon and his attitude during the wagon do not add up. I'm seriously torn on acfan.

Though I want to ask, how does the kill point to ac?

[Jake from State Farm]

I will let dashie answer that one

for me the fact that he didn't die is enough to lynch him. If he was legit, I feel mafia would be stupid not to kill him. especially killing who they killed.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I will let dashie answer that one

for me the fact that he didn't die is enough to lynch him. If he was legit, I feel mafia would be stupid not to kill him. especially killing who they killed.

derp again

[Toomai]

If he was legit, I feel mafia would be stupid not to kill him.

And miss out on all this extra speculation? He did only claim 1-Shot after all.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

My response to that (1 shot wifom) will be mostly theory so ill save it for post game.

If he's town, not killing him gives him the chance to stop a mafia kill. It's a small chance mind you, so killing him now is better for scum. Especially if the people pushing for his wagon are all town, mafia could use his flip as a way to push a few mislynches (have done this exact thing before)

The fact that he bowed out and did nothing the remainder of the day is what scum does when they think they dodged a bullet.

He needs rope, ASAP.

[GoodCopBadCop]

I think town-ac would have posted by now

VOTE: acfan

-bc

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Jake - No, why would scum kill a 1-shot Doc when the town is already suspicious of him.
My gut is telling me you're scum... All that tunnelling on NC then now going after acfan just seems really off to me.
Also, I was expecting scum to kill you. You were a town read to quite a few of us and you were vocal. Hapa is too obvious a choice so if we're using NKs as a means to catch scum, you are a suspect.

- GC

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

cause imo if you have a chance to take out a PR (if he was legit) you as scum should ALWAYS take that chance for fear of the unknown.

the moment Nic flipped town, mafia knew we were no threat to them. We pushed hard on a townie this makes us look scummier, any town cred we may or may not have had day 1 went away with his flip imo

-J

[GoodCopBadCop]

@Jake - No, why would scum kill a 1-shot Doc when the town is already suspicious of him.
My gut is telling me you're scum... All that tunnelling on NC then now going after acfan just seems really off to me.
Also, I was expecting scum to kill you. You were a town read to quite a few of us and you were vocal. Hapa is too obvious a choice so if we're using NKs as a means to catch scum, you are a suspect.

- GC

Thank you goodcop! I'm super skeptical of rainbowjake as well

[GoodCopBadCop]

-badcop