Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[BBmolla]

Was I the only one who got that, just checking.

[Syryana]

Got what, BB?

[BBmolla]

k

[BBmolla]

Yo does this make Syr scum

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not sure how what Ruffling said makes Syr scum, if that's what you're referring to.

[shos]

???

Rufflig so townie. Bbmolla, huh?

Im astonished by the stuff serra has fallen with. I approve of the lynch.

[Syryana]

I prefer extraordinarily eccentric.

By the way Tierce I have to say I <3 you forever for that

[Tierce]

My pleasure~

V/LA over Memorial Weekend.

[Kublai Khan]

||| MAFIABOT || VOTE COUNT (5 to lynch) |||

||| MAFIABOT || Syryana - 3 (BBmolla Oversoul serrapaladin) |||
||| MAFIABOT || serrapaladin - 4 (The_Rufflig shos Voidedmafia Tierce) |||

||| MAFIABOT || Living players: BBmolla Tierce serrapaladin shos Syryana The_Rufflig Oversoul Voidedmafia |||

[shos]

...game is stuck?

[Syryana]

Well, serra isn't going to vote himself, I can't vote, and I don't know what the deal is with Oversoul/BBMolla. So....

[Voidedmafia]

BBmolla apparantly isn't thinking about serra, and OS is happy for the serra wagon but hasn't delivered anything as of yet.

[BBmolla]

I can vote him. I don't particularly have a scumread on him though.

Rufflig is town though and should never be lynched.

[BBmolla]

Convince me?

[serrapaladin]

Don't do what Syry-scum wants! I wish I had more time to rip apart his case, but I really don't. Syry, have you read my response to Rufflig's case?

Also, Syr definitely didn't use the same tone earlier as he did in the posts attacking me. This isn't me mudslinging, this is Syry throwing everything he has at me to protect himself. Tierce is back to using false-meta to defend her scumbuddy, so I'm thinking Rufflig might actually be right about shos, and it's Syry/Tierce instead.

[Voidedmafia]

Does the tone particularly matter as much as the pace in aggression, for lack of a better way to phrase it?

[serrapaladin]

Yes, because tone is by far the hardest part of a post to fake. His wall towards Parama was perhaps equally long, but didn't have the same urgency as he does now.

[Syryana]

Don't do what Syry-scum wants! I wish I had more time to rip apart his case, but I really don't.

If there was a scummy for "AtE of the Year", I would totally nom this.

Syry, have you read my response to Rufflig's case?

I assume you're referring to your #914? I thought Ruff stomped that pretty flat in his #924. But, let's look at it anyways, since there's really not much going on around here.

What about your post should I have reread, Rufflig? I don't care about you claiming as Syry is a much better lynch, and I doubt you're his partner. Then, you haven't given any indication as to why shos/Syry doesn't make sense. shos being scum without Voided does make sense. He will want to send 1 ability to a townie, to confirm his role. Any further ones would be too risky, so he would either send them to his teammate (Syry), or not send them at all. That's why he claimed to have targeted Pim... It's not as though he crumbed it or anything, he just retroactively decided to claim Pim was his target.

Let's see. Syry/shos makes sense, because shos wants to send one ability to a townie and one to his teammate, me. First point: assuming I am mafia, if shos is an inventor, he cannot be my partner. Inventors are only town or mafia-ally. Given that Voided has confirmed shos' item works as stated on the tin, he's likely not a Malfunctioning Inventor, rendering it impossible for him to be my partner at all.

You further assert that shos makes sense as scum on his own, regardless of Voided's alignment. Your reasoning: his initial target was Voided, and a scum inventor would want the townie to confirm him. Well, considering a scum Inventor would be at best a mafia-ally, and a mafia-ally has already flipped, if shos is scum of any kind he must be a Malfunctioning Inventor. Since shos has already claimed inventor and Voided got the tin, shos would be completely fucked if the tin had done something it wasn't supposed to. So, rather than it being sensible that shos is scum on his own, the reverse is in fact true;

shos can only be scum if Voided is also scum.

That is the only scenario in which shos can be scum; he "gave" a tin to Voided, Voided claims it works, etc. However, I'm pretty darn sure Voided is town, so shos is most likely town as well.

N.B.: I'm discounting the possibility of shos being a Malfunctioning Inventor, giving an item to Voided, and it working as intended. It's too unlikely and risky.

Your assertion that shos picked Pim as a target retroactively is silly, if you think he's scum. Why would he need to pick Pim retroactively if he's on the scumteam? He'd have already known who was going to die.

Also, Syr definitely didn't use the same tone earlier as he did in the posts attacking me. This isn't me mudslinging, this is Syry throwing everything he has at me to protect himself. Tierce is back to using false-meta to defend her scumbuddy, so I'm thinking Rufflig might actually be right about shos, and it's Syry/Tierce instead.

Would you care to back up these wide statements with proof? What "false-meta" is Tierce using? What examples do you have of my tone being different?

@BBMolla, #939 should convince you. If you really want more, go look at my #886.

[BBmolla]

^You're scum, I'd prefer someone not scum convince me.

[The Rufflig]

@SerraPaladin: I've been concerned about you trying to discredit me by implying that I'm third party. Even more so then addressing the cases against you with any specifics. You've been waffling over shos since day 1. Today, it has just gotten silly.

Didn't Voided clear you? Why are you voting him?

But why would scum-VM clear you? Unless of course you're both scum...

Voided could have only condemned shos, who is scummy independent of his claim. I highly doubt scum-shos would kill Voided, as Pim was under much less suspicion, and Voided's death would implicate shos. It's pretty silly that you had to come up with the hypothetical that scum thought Pim was a day-cop for your musings to make sense.

I haven't been rolefishing at all. I explicitly said that I DON'T want to know about WHAT happened, just WHETHER something happened or not. I wanted to see whether there's any evidence that shos might be a Malfunctioning Inventor.

<snip>

Rufflig, are you being serious about not coming up with a better explanation? You know that people can lie, right? There is no way of knowing whether shos actually targeted Pim last night. If anything, it's a bit convenient that shos' target also happened to be the NK target. Why does Syry/shos not make sense? Please ISO Syry and look for mentions of shos. He's making the classic mistake of completely ignoring his scumbuddy. shos sending 1 role at town-voided to confirm himself and the second one at his scumbuddy, while claiming to have targeted the NK target, makes sense. I don't know how exactly the Malfunctioning Inventor works, but I would assume that the chance of a single use on a townie confirming his as Malfunctioning is rather slim. In terms of being above suspicion, Pim was as good a target as any, so I could see why Syry/shos would choose him.

<snip>

So yeah, Syry/shos makes the most sense, and if there is a third, it's probably Tierce.

You went from Voided Mafia cleared shos to a possible shos/Voided Mafia combo and from there to doubting Voided Mafia as part of a combo with shos. Finally, you ask why I'm not buying a Syryana/shos pairing. I don't think you really believe "that the chance of a single use on a townie confirming his as Malfunctioning is rather slim." If that were true, then you wouldn't have thought Voided Mafia had cleared shos at the beginning of the day. I'm not following your logic on this "progression".

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@BBmolla: Feel free to express why you feel Syryana is scum. I don't recall you ever giving reasons.

[Syryana]

^You're scum, I'd prefer someone not scum convince me.

[serrapaladin]

Rufflig, I called you third party way before you started calling me scum. I'm flattered, but I don't tend to proactively discredit people that might grow suspicious of me in the future. Perhaps "corroborated" would have been a better word for what Voided did for shos. If shos is really town, he should count the fact that Voided confirmed having received a role in his favour. And I would say that between the role actually working and Voided not finding out it Malfunctioned, sending a single Malfunctioning ability to a townie is a calculated risk I'd be willing to take. I never said I thought the shos/VM pairing was likely, I just said the only way VM is scum is with shos. The reason I'm moving away from shos is because Tierce has been defending Syry pretty strongly after calling him scum yesterday.

I need to stop reading Syry's posts. All the vicious misrepping is not good for my blood pressure. I really hope it's not three scum, so if you guys mislynch me you can still quicklynch Syry/Tierce to win this.

[Oversoul]

Right... I'm in this game. >_>
Sorry guys

[Oversoul]

I'm rereading serra now

[Oversoul]

Quote strip of Serra's voting actions and the reasoning that accompanies them...

You will notice a pattern very soon.

Spoiler: Serra's votes + stuff

Hi guys.
VOTE: mod for voting pedantry
and

!vote Sharper

for reasons.

Post 110 sucked. Hard.

Sarcastically calling Syr's post vacuous or disagreeing with a mass lynch?

There are some setups that could certainly be broken with a mass claim, but if the game is already slightly scumsided with no protection roles, a mass claim can seal the game against town very quickly by pointing out optimal NKs, of which there are probably several.

Varsoon, if you expect 112 to be a reaction test, why point that out straight away?

!vote Varsoon

@MM: last time mod said he does prefer bold votes though.

Are we honestly not going to talk about Parama's derphammer? I can't find any comparably derpy play from him recently and with 100+ completed games I would hope that's not common for him.

!vote Parama

What was with the certainty Varsoon would flip town? Really don't like the fact that you're trying to paint your vote as positive in any way, shape or form. You should have read the game regardless of whether there'd been a hammer or not.

The wagon had already been driven to L-1. If you were so sure Varsoon was town, that should have been equally useful in gathering reads from. Your flurry of posts after your hammer looks a lot like you trying to talk yourself out of/smokescreening any blame for the hammer. I don't buy shos-scum, nor do I see why you'd think he'd be killed last night.

BB, why so selective in how you apply your sig?

Well I can 100% guarantee you that BB isn't mafia in this game, or even a harmful third. He's either town or jester, so lynching him is bad.

And I liked you before but your stubborn insistence to not logic is baffling

BB is not a bad player, there's no way he's transparent enough for you to make that statement. I don't have a scumread on him, but I see no logical reason to give him a town-pass. I also still haven't seen a compelling case against shos, so you can attack my logic all you want and risk me completely ignoring you, or you can start using some hard logic yourself. Also, what have you done around here for people to not find derp-hammers by you suspicious?

!unvote

The unlyncher thing was a surely a joke. Rufflig, mind explaining your thoughts about Syr?

Huh, fairly new town seeing non-standard RVS as scummy is quite common though.

Parama's massive wall basically has shos scum for allegedly taking stuff too literal, calling out lurkers, not scumhunting and voting Varsoon. The first two points are non-tells, the third is less true than for many others (like UT) and Varsoon was wagoned to L-1 before he got derp-hammered. The Varsoon wagon was bad in hindsight, but I see worse votes on it than shos' (PimHel/UT).

Actually, I think I'll

!vote Untrod_Tripod

!vote Syryana

I'm starting to think scumslip from shos. Last Xylbot AND most testsetups posted here and last game have 2+2 scum...

!vote shos

Nah, I don't really see UT. I could go for Syr, but shos is fine.

Voided, did the ability gifted to you by shos do anything verifiably useful? Did it work?

Why would a scum inventor tarfet townies

trips me up a bit, as scum can't be normal inventors, and if his role is the normal inventor, he should know that.

UT looks very much like the town type of not giving a shit and his attackers are being pretty opportunistic. I don't really see Para/BB together, but either one of them, or them on separate teams is quite likely if shos is town.

Untrod's play really doesn't make any sense at all as scum. He's literally refusing to contribute, and being pretty obvious about it. That play just screams apathetic townie (or jester), while as scum I would expect the lurking to be more active and less abrasive. This way, he's blatantly lurking AND drawing attention to himself, which I just don't see from scum. I guess there's the off-chance that he's scum gambitting being read as jester, but I doubt it.

Given his last two posts by shos, I'm more inclined to believe he's town. I don't think the normal inventor role exists for scum, shos. It should say which alignments your role can be in your role PM.

!unvote

From Syr trying to tie BB and Para together as a scumteam, I get the impression he's scum with one of them and wants to ensure a mislynch when his scumbuddy gets lynched. The same could sort of apply to shos, as well, but I think Syr is scummier on his own.

With Rufflig's reply to Tierce's comment about how obvtown he is, I sort of got the vibe he's third party who is playing a town game. I don't often see town replying to comments about how town they look.

Para, you should probably claim.

I think we could learn a lot by lynching Para, but the selfvote worries me... I'm still not sure whether it's a ballsy gambit or whether he actually is town trying to move the game forward. I highly doubt he's a jester, as shos suggested.

I'll give more detailed reads later today or tomorrow.

It seems my gambit did not work as well as I had hoped.

It's pretty unlikely that there's only one non-town directed kill, plus Para's reaction to the fakehammer looked pretty fake, so Para is a good lynch. I still think he's scum with Syr (or maybe shos), but worst case he's an SK.

!vote Parama

Back to L-1.

Sorry for my lack of activity, I've had a bigger workload over the last week than I thought I would.

I still think Parama, if not scum, is much more likely to be an SK than a vig.

Regarding OS' wall:

The eyeroll was acknowledging Varsoon's hypocrisy of complaining about eyerolls being mean, but then calling us assholes for lynching him.

In 233 I unvoted Para, because enough people had confirmed the derp-hammer is common behaviour. I sarcastically mentioned what a horrible town-meta that is to have...

What was the purpose of asking whether I've played with BB? I think this is our third game together, and nowhere has his play been transparent enough to justify Para's certainty about BB being either town or jester.

Your comment about my level of contribution is rich given the slot you switched in to.

The comment about Rufflig being third party was more gut than anything else. I think a survivor would be more likely to respond to being called obvtown than town, and I really don't see Rufflig as scum.


Para, what's wrong with VM not wanting to hammer you YET?

!vote Syryana

I'm pretty sure it's not MyLo, so that should be fine.

You like meta right, Tierce? Try this and tell me more about how this is town-Syry...

When I replaced into this game serrapaladin stood out to me. He was currently playing in my own modded game Pokemon uPick and the overall appearance of his play there seemed a lot more interactive with the town as a whole. Here he isn't really being useful or contributing much.

I didn't really make an analysis of serra because I felt certain about Syr being a useful PR but serra has just been plodding on by.

Here serra is just coasting on by. Each of his votes he never really explains other than perhaps vague one or two lines about the reasoning. In posts that I didn't quote he seems really eager to shoot down any ideas that aren't currently supporting the main train of thought, but he isn't really ADDING anything to these wagons either. I could see a town player countering information being brought up by then bringing up their own analysis, but serra isn't doing that. He is attempting to stifle discussion without producing any of his own.

His votes have been on pretty much all the major wagons at the time and follow the general wagon trend of the game as a whole, but they don't stick out in any unique fashion like some of the other players' in the game.

When I asked him about this experience with BB he pretty much contradicted what I thought he was going to say.
I don't know if it is my bias from playing with BB a couple of times recently wherein he was town (Nexus's invitational and the Fortnight) but BB has been playing pretty transparent in terms of throwing out comments that most players would deem "wtf". The fact that serra hasn't picked up on that despite playing with BB three times is troubling as it either means he isn't paying attention to BB in this game or he is ignoring BB and just going after things on the surface, a.k.a. low hanging fruit.

When I brought up that he wasn't really contributing or being active his response was a sarcastic remark about my PREDECESSOR. How does that answer anything at all? How can *I* even respond to that? He avoids the question while ACKNOWLEDGING its merits and discredits me for asking it based on actions that I cannot account for because I didn't make them. He knows it is true but he attacks my own standing to make the question have less merit. This is typical of serra sniping counter opinions in the game. He adds barely enough to make a difference except to cause doubt or uncertainty all the while he is perfectly happy with pretty much ANY vote.

I am willing to hammer.

Serra, claim.