Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

"It doesn't matter if you think i'm scum and I don't care about being voted because I'M TOWN."
That's what you were trying to get across right?

Well yeah but why state the obvious?

[GoodCopBadCop]

If you first suggested someone killed kuribo for playing with him previously, why does hp saying the same thing make him scummy to you?

He's saying "why aren't we lynching people who have played with Kuribo?"

I'm not saying we should lynch people for having played with Kuribo. It's something to consider but it's fairly weak. The scum team could easily just have had one person who has played with Kuribo suggesting the kill. We can't rule out his teammates for not knowing. Hp hasn't given it much thought. He just agrees.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

semantics really, who has and hasn't played with him is irrelevant. Both of you should be ashamed of yourselves for mentioning that.

-J

[ac1983fan]

Bloop bloop sorry

Updated Claim: One-Shot Weak Doc

I withheld the Weak modifier info because I didn't want to let my nightchoice be influenced by possible scum or anyone, really, and I didn't want to make myself a target for NK to frame someone or whatever.
I protected Hapa so he is conf town now.
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I could functionally vote you as well. Why were you not present in the thread at all in the last few days of D1?

1) Busy with real life
2) Had defended myself from my case as much as I possibly could and that was the major topic of discussion
3) I pretty much thought I was going to be lynched (because it happens fairly frequently to me)

acfan should claim an action/inaction especially with only one shot. With the flip including the compulsive modifier, the claim seems more reasonable having the 1-shot. However, that reasoning isn't strong and acfan's play has suggested otherwise.

This is a very wishy-washy set of sentences that essentially says "acfan could be town or he could not be"

I may be wrong but I was curious about the Toomai wagon I think I am oblivious to why vote him? I just need to know what is up with him >.<

I think the main beef people have with me is the conception that I votehop and therefore don't care who gets lynched as long as it's not me. If that's what people want to think then whatever.

If you are town you should care at least a bit about what people think as you wouldn't want a mislynch to happen. *wiggles finger*

I dunno, my philosophy is always that if we can afford a mislynch, I am OK with me being that mislynch.
(I know this is super late but I've been a tad busy. Should be back to normal activity levels now. Just finished reading page 31 about to read 32/33)

[ac1983fan]

OK well there wasn't much on page 32 to comment on but
VOTE: Scott Brosius
I stand by my feelings about him from yesterday; he has basically just skated by without ever saying anything committal at all.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

sorry, a 1 shot weak doc is not believable at all.

weak doc means you die if you protect mafia, making it a fairly weak power role as it is, limiting it to just 1 shot makes it even weaker.

I don't believe the amended claim at all.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

-J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I withheld the Weak modifier info because I didn't want to let my nightchoice be influenced by possible scum or anyone, really, and I didn't want to make myself a target for NK to frame someone or whatever.
I protected Hapa so he is conf town now.

Horseapples.

That's a scumclaim if ive ever heard one. Weak doc is actually a very strong role (just below cop) and probably is an attempt to draw out a counter from some info role. The role isn't bad (ive used 2-shot weak doc) but the fact that you wouldn't claim an investigative role, that we have a combined protect/investigate and then a communication role, just doesn't work for balance well. Im not sure I can see mod going anywhere with that setup.

Really this just schisms further from "what he would do as town" because im not for half a second going to believe that you targeted Hap as a weak doctor with

NO BREADCRUMBED INTENTION

of actually targeting him. You basically lined up a "im targeting SB" from your posts, and if Hap is scum you would have basically just caused a SB lynch on info, if you were wrong essentially leaving us near lylo with no D2 info.

So acfan is scum. Real simple, his new action claim confirms it.

[ac1983fan]

I withheld the Weak modifier info because I didn't want to let my nightchoice be influenced by possible scum or anyone, really, and I didn't want to make myself a target for NK to frame someone or whatever.
I protected Hapa so he is conf town now.

Horseapples.

That's a scumclaim if ive ever heard one. Weak doc is actually a very strong role (just below cop) and probably is an attempt to draw out a counter from some info role. The role isn't bad (ive used 2-shot weak doc) but the fact that you wouldn't claim an investigative role, that we have a combined protect/investigate and then a communication role, just doesn't work for balance well. Im not sure I can see mod going anywhere with that setup.

Really this just schisms further from "what he would do as town" because im not for half a second going to believe that you targeted Hap as a weak doctor with

NO BREADCRUMBED INTENTION

of actually targeting him. You basically lined up a "im targeting SB" from your posts, and if Hap is scum you would have basically just caused a SB lynch on info, if you were wrong essentially leaving us near lylo with no D2 info.

So acfan is scum. Real simple, his new action claim confirms it.

Frankly, I don't know how to breadcrumb. I've never tried it, never thought of how to tried it. Moreover, I called Hap obv!town, and I didn't want to use my ability on someone I thought was scum...I just wanted to confirm hap's alignment; that way in the event of my lynch today (which I was expecting to happen anyway) that would leave you guys with a confirmed town.

[hapahauli]

@ Jake

His amendment is not a scumclaim. I find it questionable, but there are questions to be answered - namely what the scum motivation is for his "amendment."

@ ac1983fan

There are several things I don't understand about your "story":

I withheld the Weak modifier info because I didn't want to let my nightchoice be influenced by possible scum or anyone, really, and I didn't want to make myself a target for NK to frame someone or whatever.
I protected Hapa so he is conf town now.

Your rationale for withholding your full role makes little sense as stated. Why would you be more fearful of getting your night-actions directed as a weak doctor as opposed to a normal 1-shot doctor?

Also, you played your role incredibly sub-optimally. A weak doctor is

incredibly

. For example, at the end of Day 1, you could have easily gone around and asked for suggestions on who to protect. You had the opportunity to game your role to basically confirm the role of any player in the game. "Checking" me seems like a huge cop-out.

1) Busy with real life
2) Had defended myself from my case as much as I possibly could and that was the major topic of discussion
3) I pretty much thought I was going to be lynched (because it happens fairly frequently to me)

This annoys me greatly. If you don't want to be lynched,

POST GODDAMNIT

. Staying silent is the absolute worst thing you can do for yourself and for the town.

[hapahauli]

EBWOP:

A weak doctor is incredibly.

Should be...

A weak doctor is

incredibly

powerful.

[hp [leaves]]

Meh.

post_id=4979237 time=1369421425 user_id=10128]So then why aren't we lynching someone who had played with Kuribo before?

Wow...
You made it back in my scum pile.

That post was less of a suggestion and more of a metaphor of my thoughts on Jake's case on ac.

@jakepony, could you guys be more consistent?

[hp [leaves]]

I love how the new claim brought on so much wine.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

1. His admendment IS a scum claim.
2. Still haven't answered my question, why u be dodging it? You don't seem to want to lynch AC anymore, but yesterday you absolutely did. Why the change?
3. I personally feel the "bloop bloop" comment makes his claim less legit, hes getting run up and he's too nonchalant about it.
4. When you have an investigative type role like this, you don't use it on a person that you feel is the most obv town, it's more about investigating someone than saving someone. Plus if AC is town, hap wouldn't be at risk for being killed cause it means hap is possibly scum, or at least possible lynch bait.

Nothing suggests he's pro-town. I'd suggest you hammer him for town cred while you still can. If he flips scum, which I assume he will, you are going to look like the obvious partner based on your 180

-J

[GoodCopBadCop]

acfan's claim does look like bs. I'm not a fan of ending the day so quickly though.

@JFR - Why would scum-acfan add this extra part to his fake claim?

- GC

[Cheery Pie]

Kuribo invited me to the neighborhood night 1. Our QT was daytalk enabled so scum most likely also have daytalk.

- GC

Did you get any information from it, or did it only become apparent after his death?

I've forgotten a lot of what was happening in this game, so lemme review it again.

Maybe if you actually paid attention to it yesterday instead of trying to make truth via repetition. I still don't believe it btw, and you now announcing you've forgotten everything doesn't help.

@hap - With that kill acfan is very likely scum. Im happy lynching him today.

Its going to be WIFOM but you should follow here too. Basically the kill is a massive tell. Look who the likely kills would be: Zef and hap. Now approach this from a standpoint of town-acfan. Who is going to die (most likely) assuming both town? Its very clearly Zef. That is a quiet quiet spot that has a loud player replacing in and everypony thinks is town. aka a threat.

On the other hoof, why would scum kill Hap if acfan was town? They wouldn't. Pure and simple they wouldn't because it would likely end with a mislynch of acfan. Scum would be more than happy to keep a prob-town who wants a PR dead alive.

By that logic, acfan cant be town because the "protect" he would have made as town would have been Zef. While im sure he is going to run in and claim that he protected the player who wanted him dead or something... but it doesn't make any sense.

The kill seems to line up with acfan being scum and just making that side kill without really thinking about who he would protect as town. Sometimes the best way to catch scum who has claimed a role (outside of trumping it with role information - which if it exists here shouldn't be said) is to compare it to what they should be doing in that situation. acfan I don't think approached this as he would town (outside of him about to claim "oh I got RBed" or something like that).

Varsoon and Hap are town still though. Pretty sure of that one.

Your first part is correct that your analysis there is wifom. The whole who will he protect thing is with that in any direction.

and the fact Zef's town read from everyone were based on a page 3 post means nothing when at least one scum (Varsoon) isn't paying attention to the thread anyway.
Dessx also coming and leaving the slot didn't help that read stay with me.

@ Cheery

Which ones do you want to talk about. My scumreads are still all in this thread.
I think the only one that I haven't talked about is Toomai, and I doubt that one is the case now.

Let's start with this: who would you like to see hang today?

Also, does the NC flip inform/change your opinions on anything?

I would like to see one of Varsoon/Jake hang today, would actually like both, but I know we don't have a double lynch.

Nic's flip hasn't really changed anything that hadn't be discussed before he had been lynched. Maybe his Jake case increased my scum-read of that slot unconsciously, but thinking about stuff during the night, RBD's want to flash lynch (a system that could be used to try and out other powers roles of more value that a 1-shot doc) did a lot of that itself.

I wish I could get GCBC's input right now, but /shrug.

Vote: ACFAN

The flip'll be telling.

In what way is the flip telling? That an already obvtown becomes confirmed, or doesn't?
What basis is that for a lynch when you've claimed to not be aware of what is happening around you/forgetting whatever?

Frankly, I don't know how to breadcrumb. I've never tried it, never thought of how to tried it. Moreover, I called Hap obv!town, and I didn't want to use my ability on someone I thought was scum...I just wanted to confirm hap's alignment; that way in the event of my lynch today (which I was expecting to happen anyway) that would leave you guys with a confirmed town.

Why did you want a obvtown confirmed? Isn't he already enough of a kill threat?


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VOTE: Jake from Rainbowdash

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I saw that vote coming a mike away, but a question for you

RBD's want to flash lynch (a system that could be used to try and out other powers roles of more value that a 1-shot doc) did a lot of that itself.

I feel this is kind of a misrep, all dashie did was ask if there were enough people to quick lynch someone. Menawhile, others (scott, hap) ACTUALLY tried to get a new wagon going.

this would be the 2nd time you have misrepped/intentionally lied this game

AC is scum, this is the right lynch. anyone not on the wagon gets looked at hard day 3.

you want to keeo the game open for another week? go right ahead, but AC will be lynched today.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

-J

[Cheery Pie]

I saw that vote coming a mike away, but a question for you

RBD's want to flash lynch (a system that could be used to try and out other powers roles of more value that a 1-shot doc) did a lot of that itself.

I feel this is kind of a misrep, all dashie did was ask if there were enough people to quick lynch someone. Menawhile, others (scott, hap) ACTUALLY tried to get a new wagon going.

this would be the 2nd time you have misrepped/intentionally lied this game

AC is scum, this is the right lynch. anyone not on the wagon gets looked at hard day 3.

you want to keeo the game open for another week? go right ahead, but AC will be lynched today.

That doesn't change what I believe her motivation behind asking it was.

Yes Scott/hap/Varsoon did vote elsewhere, but the whole idea was still started by RBD.

I was actually suspicious of hapa for it as well, but he's been confirmed town by acfan.

and surprise for you as well - I'm not going to vote him today as the weak cop thing does seem like something he'd do.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

No, the idea wasn't started by dashie

That's lie #3

625 - hap first mentions not having enough people to get another wagon going
639 - hap asks for a roll call to explore last minute possibilities
641 - dashie asks if we have enough to quick lynch someone else.

So hap first mentions it twice before dashie does. Plus iirc hap voted for someone other than Nic/AC at one point when deadline was approaching. I beleive it was Scott he voted for, I called him out for it, then mod suspends the deadline.


For someone accusing others of not paying attention, you seem to be getting lots of things wrong yourself.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Just checked. Post 506 is where hap tries to get a new wagon going.

[Cheery Pie]

I'm talking about after NC's claim. Though I did seem to have skipped 639, but since Hap is obvtown besides paranoia, I don't consider that as counting.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

So basically you are just making up stuff? Got it

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Just checked on my phone, cp, hap was talking about another wagon and you said you were not interested in one. Later you said that you were still against another wagon and I agreed with you with the exception of you cause you lied about the other game we played and townies should not lie, thus you are scum.
Others iirc, we're talking about lynching someone else. The idea was never brought up by dashie or myself first. I actually disagreed with a counter wagon at all (except for you)

Cherry picking is scummy, you either suspect EVERONE who suggested or actually TRIED to start a wagon, or you suspect nobody.

1 person asking if people would consider a wagon is not anywhere as close to scummy as someone who takes action to get one going.

Off the top of my head, Hap & SB actually tried to get new wagons going. Not dashie or myself.

[Toomai]

I agree with the people suggesting that scum has no reason to update a claim to add "Weak".

Unvote

While I try to figure out who to vote I'll note that JRD seems to have shifted into a rather offensive state. Feels somewhat different than Day 1 style.