Newbie 1378 - Game Over! (Town Wins)

[Nul]

And I am not taking your post out of context, I've just simplified it to make it easier to understand:

I think Radiant said it best "...I've found that whenever I'm talkative I get lynched or pushed on immediately...".

This translates to: "Talkative people gets lynched,"

So yea it can be a bad thing.

Don't need this.

That's why one scum strategy is to lurk, they know by speaking up it does exactly what you are doing to me.

Translates to: "That's why one scum strategy is to lurk because they know talking a lot gets them accused."

So your whole post when simplified and put together is: "Talkative people gets lynched, that's why one scum strategy is to lurk, because they know talking a lot gets them accused."

This was your response to "You act like contributing information to town is bad."

[Nul]

"You act like contributing information to town is bad"

I'll simplify my post to: "You act like talking a lot is bad."
You: "Talkative people gets lynched, that's why one scum strategy is to lurk, because they know talking a lot gets them accused."

[Nul]

Even simpler:

"You act like talking a lot is bad."
"Talkative people gets lynched, that's why one scum strategy is to not talk, because they know talking a lot gets them accused."

[Nul]

I am explaining it anyway, because the worse your arguments get against me, the more

you will expose yourself as scum.

So somehow, you've gone from a town read to a scum read towards me without explanation. Are you going to accuse everyone who is attacking you of being a scum?


Expanding on your use of ad hominem;

"brings in irrelevant personal information or arguments about the opponent, in an attempt to distract either the opponent or the audience."

Ad hominem is a scumtell by the way.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... the_Person

[Nul]

God damn I wish there was an edit (this is even simpler):

"You act like talking a lot is bad."
"Talking a lot gets people lynched, that's why one scum strategy is to not talk, because they know talking a lot gets them accused."

[Lucky2u]

I had to google Ad Hominem... If I am correct, you are asking me to stop making attacks against the person (in this case you). Why? You are blatantly translating my arguments to fit how YOU want them to fit. Obviously I can't win a battle of logic against you when you throw logic out the window and twist my words. I laid out what my argument meant, and then you completely ignored that and said - "no no no, you really meant this." You are still using freudian slip wrong btw, since nothing I've said was accidental.

No I'm not going to stop Ad Hominem, because this isn't a trial where you are the lawyer questioning a suspect. You are a suspect questioning another suspect. Therefor it is perfectly valid for me to point out how you are flawed so that the other people in this room (who are being eerily quiet, I would like to hear some other voices please) can take that into consideration. I mean if the town fool cries wolf, you only half listen.

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Geez, three posts by Nul while I was trying to make this one... OK!

You are starting to ramble a little here Nul, taking three posts trying to simplify mine. Why are you trying to simplify it so much in the first place? Do you not trust everyone else to read my posts and infer the same view as you? ...or do you just want the information to say what you want it to say?

You keep coming back to the fact that I mentioned a scum strat, therefor I must be scum. That doesn't make sense. I was using it for the opposite reason. Shouldn't we know what scum strats are? Why is mentioning one a sign of scum?

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And Nul posted again.... *sigh* mind if I get in a word?

My apologies for switching reads without explanation, allow me to do so now. I am switching Nul to a scum read because all his arguments against me are bad and now he is also rambling.

Oh that definition of Ad Hominem is much better, I didn't realize it was attacks against

irrelevant

personal information.... I thought it was just attacks against you. However, I was attacking you for completely relevant information about your character, like how you make bad arguments and twist my words. Not because you are European (That's the example from the link).

Do me a favor Nul, even if you make a grammer mistake, please limit the consecutive posts so that I don't have break up mine like this ^

[Crazzygoat]

Someone ISO radiant cowbell and see if they're picking up on the same thing as me

Which is, all but one of his post ( which is number 57 ) is litterly a line long,

And that one post is him trying to justify lurking

What say you radiant?

[Paradigm]

I'm gonna side with nul on one point, and that's the trying to lych Jason without the actuall proof (or at least suggesting we should lynch Jason)

FoS: paradigm

He said something like "regardless of what we think" he's still voting mastin

I told lucky in post 62 that he scored points with me for refusing to change his playstyle (although upon reflection idk why you had to point it out) I feel like paradigm in post 88 is trying to suck up to me in that.

Idk maybe I'm paranoid but I don't like that one bit.

Get rid of the ego, man. on post #59, I gave my reads on Mastin before you made that post.

[RadiantCowbells]

What I say is that I have been pressured and nearly lynched D1 ad nauseam, and until I have a scumread I'm willing to bet my life on I am going to be quiet and not die.

I find it interesting that you pressure me for explaining why I'm not talking but don't pressure the people who are lurking with no explanation.

Kind of proves my point, doesn't it?

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 1.2

Crazzygoat (0) -
mattel (0) -
Lucky2u (2) - Nul, JasonWazza
Nul (0) -
Paradigm (0) -
RadiantCowbells (1) - Crazzygoat
JasonWazza (2) - uctriton00, Lucky2u
uctriton00 (1) - RadiantCowbells
mastin2 (0) - Paradigm

Not Voting: mattel, mastin2

V/LA: mastin2 (until Tues 5/28)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Wednesday, June 5th at 12:45 pm PDT or in

(expired on 2013-06-05 12:45:00)

[Crazzygoat]

What I say is that I have been pressured and nearly lynched D1 ad nauseam, and until I have a scumread I'm willing to bet my life on I am going to be quiet and not die.

I find it interesting that you pressure me for explaining why I'm not talking but don't pressure the people who are lurking with no explanation.

Kind of proves my point, doesn't it?

I'm pushing you because you'll answer. Which means you see everything just not responding

@paradigm. There's a lot of other players besides just mastin.

[Paradigm]

What I say is that I have been pressured and nearly lynched D1 ad nauseam, and until I have a scumread I'm willing to bet my life on I am going to be quiet and not die.

I find it interesting that you pressure me for explaining why I'm not talking but don't pressure the people who are lurking with no explanation.

Kind of proves my point, doesn't it?

I'm pushing you because you'll answer. Which means you see everything just not responding

@paradigm. There's a lot of other players besides just mastin.

I know. My focus is on him though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Of course I see everything. How would I be able to scumhunt if I wasn't reading?

Why do you think it makes me more scummy that I respond to your probing, as opposed to less scummy?

[Crazzygoat]

@ radiant, I think it's scummy that you won't talk until talked to,

@ paradigm, your focus is on a player who's V/ LA?

[JasonWazza]

a) back it up
b) list of reads.

Paradigm THIS IS FOR YOU

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 1.2

Crazzygoat (1) -

Lucky2u

mattel (0) -
Lucky2u (2) - Nul, JasonWazza
Nul (0) -
Paradigm (0) -
RadiantCowbells (1) - Crazzygoat
JasonWazza (2) - uctriton00,

Lucky2u

uctriton00 (1) - RadiantCowbells
mastin2 (

0

) - Paradigm

Not Voting: mattel, mastin2

V/LA: mastin2 (until Tues 5/28)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Wednesday, June 5th at 12:45 pm PDT or in

(expired on 2013-06-05 12:45:00)

<3 fix these please mod

Derp. Fixed in creation of VC 1.3

[Crazzygoat]

Ok paradigm here's a question for you.

In post 59 your saying it makes sense for uct to sheep us. Then in that last paragraph you all the suddn say the IC is sleeping us,

Now I'm not gonna even pretend to understand how you got to that conclusion. But let's assume I did,

Why is it ok for uct to sheep us and not mastin?

Meaning why did you give priority to mastin?

[Crazzygoat]

Sheeping*

[RadiantCowbells]

I will talk unilaterally the moment I have a concrete scumread on someone and feel that it is worth risking getting lynched myself in order to get them lynched.

There is no one I feel that strongly is scum yet, so I have yet to say anything.

I have a strong town read on one person, two slightly town reads, and one slightly scum read at the moment. My vote is on the person I consider slightly scum, so that speaks for itself. If a strong wagon builds on a person I consider town, I will try to divert that lynch.

I'd prefer to avoid getting attention drawn to me because I perform poorly under pressure, as the fact that I have been pressured hard D1 in four of my last games attests. Me getting lynched does not help town, so I will do my best to avoid it happening, like I would avoid getting any other confirmed clear lynched.

Do you grok now?

[Lucky2u]

It's hard to tell if Radiant is really this gun shy legitimately or not. Either way I'm not sure his reserved nature helps us out when he is so guarded about his reads. Right now The biggest talkers have been Nul and me over the last few pages. We need more input from all sides, and I would like to know what happened to Mattel who claimed he would catch up the night he checked in, two days ago.

[mattel]

I am here just a bit confused. I had played one mafia game before but it had a storyline intro. I am guessing we just randomly vote for someone and let it go from there?

[mattel]

Right now, looking through it is hard to pinpoint anyone.

My vote is going to someone who seems to be trying to deflect votes from another memeber.

Vote: crazygoat.

[JasonWazza]

It's hard to tell if Radiant is really this gun shy legitimately or not.

Either way I'm not sure his reserved nature helps us out when he is so guarded about his reads

. Right now The biggest talkers have been Nul and me over the last few pages. We need more input from all sides, and I would like to know what happened to Mattel who claimed he would catch up the night he checked in, two days ago.

This coming from the guy who wasn't gonna give his reads

[RadiantCowbells]

Crazzy, your vote on me is so unequivocally absurd that I feel it merits an OMGUS vote.

Unless you can give me one reason that I am the scummiest person in the game.

VOTE: Crazzygoat

[Crazzygoat]

Seriously, we're all contributing here. You've gotten on here and said you don't want to talk until day 2. We're all on here contributing trying to find people who are scum and you won't give us anything

Another reason, you've now gotten emotional and voted OMGUS. Which means you have no reason other than I am pressing you, which is what town does.

Summed up raidents saying don't question me or I'll try to get rid of you

@mattel, I haven't deflected votes from anyone? I'm currently pressing two people for information? And if I did it certainly wasn't my intention