Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tierce

[Voidedmafia]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tierce

...

A.) Why?
B.) The first thing you do is completely ignore what's going on and instead vote someone who's not even related?

[Syryana]

Bah, I don't really know what I'm doing anyways, so go ahead and hammer if you want.

I'm an Alien (Survivor) and I abducted PimHel N1 and Voided N2. I originally did that so Voided's failing action would implicate shos, there'd be a chain of lynches and I could survive to endgame. I honestly have no idea why Voided claims his action worked. Either I was blocked or Voided is lying.

I have no idea who's scum, although if it's not Voided/shos my next best guess is actually Syry/Tierce. I really don't like playing survivor, so I tried to sort of stall my way to endgame. Unless someone blocked me, go ahead and lynch one of Voided/shos and you'll see I'm telling the truth.

Wait a minute. Wait a fucking minute. You've been AtE'ing and saying all sorts of wild shit about me and ignoring my posts all Day, and now I'm only scum if shos/Voided flip town? And you're a survivor? So what, all your shit on my wagon was pure opportunism?

It's basically a jailkeeper if I understand it correctly. I targeted Pim N1, which must have stopped his voteblock and Voided N2, so whatever ability shos gave him couldn't have worked.

!xmafia help Alien

Why did you block Voided N2?

serrapaladin, as a claimed survivor, you now have the same credibility problem that you were trying to place on me. Furthermore, your claim places this game in

MYLO

- you'd have every reason to try and get a townie lynched. Your claim of having jailed Voided Mafia last night does not imply that shos is scum. Your alien claim does throw some doubt on Voided Mafia - if true. Which again is a problem - you have no need to be truthful as any mislynch is a win for you. I doubt you were blocked as that would make at least 3 roleblockers in this game.

How do you know that puts us in MYLO?

I don't see how that makes this MyLo. I don't count towards a scum majority, nor do I know who scum is. If it comes to the point that scum claims and asks me to vote with them, I'd rather win with town instead.

I forgot that Varsoon was a Roleblocker, so in that case it's almost certainly Voided/shos. I see no reason for Voided to lie for shos unless they're scum together. I understand my credibility problem, but I genuinely did abduct Voided. Syry was a good mislynch target at the start of the Day, so I didn't claim anything then.

Wait a minute, now I'm a mislynch?

But that's the thing: I can't. I have no idea who they are, and if we mislynch at 2/6 scum left, there's nothing stopping scum from just nightkilling me for the unshared victory. I literally have no incentive to vote with scum unless it's LyLo, and even then I'd rather win with town. Lynching me will take you to actual MyLo.

How do you know what MYLO is?

If the town mislynches and the mafia night kills a townie then the game will end at the break of dawn. You don't get to choose who you win with. It is done for you by the mod. If a win condition can be attained by counting the survivor as a member of some faction, then it will be attained. You don't even need to know who is in the faction.

I don't see the mafia night killing you and throwing away a guaranteed win.

I wish I had the information that you people seem to have. Ruff is certain we're in MYLO today, Serra's certain that his death will put us in MYLO... What the hell is going on here?

...No, I never claimed that.

I got an item N1. It was used N1. I've never lied about when I used it.

Wut. How the hell do you use an item the same night when you only get it when night is resolved?

Voidedmafia: So you're claiming to have purposefully misdirected us. Clean up your mess and tell us why you did it.

I saw him ask if I used an ability, so I thought he was referring to N1, not N2. I have been referring to N1 at all times regarding what I've receieved, so I haven't

purposefully

misdirected you

If serra did refer to N2 at some point, then sorry for not seeing that.

Now, Ruffling, explain what I would get by intentionally lying about this.

This post is shit.

How were you able to use the invention the night you received it?

...This is a dumb question, OS.

The hell it is. Answer him.

I don't see it as such although I think I get what you're hinting at.

What, exactly, would stop me from using the ability the same night that I got it? Only way that would be possible is if Khan sent the PM with the item to me at the start of D2 so I'd only be able to use it N2. (and if that were the case, if I did hypothetically use it N2 it wouldn't have worked cuz serra)

That's a load of crap. Shos gives you an ability N1. Thanks to NAR, you get it at D2 start. There's

no way

for you to use it N1.

Voided: When I asked you about being able to confirm on D2 you said you had to check your PM. Surely if you'd actually used it N1 you'd have known it to work. Also, how would that even work? Aren't night actions resolved at the end of the night? If it's intended for you to use on the same night, that's a pretty bad system as shos could have waited until DL to submit his action.

Pretty much this.

When I asked you about being able to confirm on D2 you said you had to check your PM

Confirm what exactly I had recieved. I knew since N1 that I had gotten

something

, but at the time you asked I was fuzzy on what exactly it was.

I know what it is now (though I might have to look again to be sure of the name), but I still see no reason to out what it is.

Also, how would that even work? Aren't night actions resolved at the end of the night? If it's intended for you to use on the same night, that's a pretty bad system as shos could have waited until DL to submit his action.

Well, yes, that's true. So do you think that scum-shos or town-shos would be more likely to wait until DL to give me the item?

Wait a minute. You're claiming you received and used an object N1. You do not clear shos with this information until D3. You don't know what it did as of D2 (shortly after you supposedly used it). You deflect serra's question.

Congratulations. You've completely destroyed my town read on you.

As serrapaladin's claim makes this mylo, I've changed my mind.

I am in favor of a mass claim.

Still no idea why you're so certain this is MYLO.

Rufflig, do you really think I would set up my scumbuddy like that?

When shos first claimed inventor I already intended to use my ability to block Voided so as to implicate shos. That's why D2 I was so interested in the ability shos gave him and whether he could confirm shos. For your theory about us to make sense, we would have had to plan his sacrifice N1, which is entirely far-fetched.

Voided, if you allegedly didn't use shos' skill last night but N1, did you use another skill last night that I blocked?

Okay, so you blocked Voided to prevent him from using the ability he got and thereby clearing shos? You've claimed survivor and that you'd "rather win with town". Blocking voided (and thus preventing him from clearing shos) is a pretty damn anti-town move. Considering your "scumreads" at the start of D3 were me and shos, why didn't you block one of us?

[Voidedmafia]

Wut. How the hell do you use an item the same night when you only get it when night is resolved?

I'm simply telling you what I know has happened. If I knew why, I'd have explained by now.

That's a load of crap. Shos gives you an ability N1. Thanks to NAR, you get it at D2 start. There's no way for you to use it N1.

Or possibly it's used at the start of D2?

Wait a minute. You're claiming you received and used an object N1. You do not clear shos with this information until D3. You don't know what it did as of D2 (shortly after you supposedly used it). You deflect serra's question

No.

i recieved and used an object N1. That is correct.

I cleared shos wth this on D2, and thought I was reconfirming this fact on D3, though I did not realize Serra was asking me about N2 and not N1 at the time. Perhaps not that it was used (I did not necessarily see the point of saying what I got and if it was used at the time), but at the very least that I did recieve something.

I did know what it did as of D2, I just simply haven't told you all yet (and I won't unless we're all massclaiming or I'm at L-1+hammer claim). I said I didn't exactly recall the name of the ability when I was originally asked D2, but I have known since I got it what it did.

How did I deflect his question?

Considering your "scumreads" at the start of D3 were me and shos, why didn't you block one of us?

This is a good question.

[Voidedmafia]

How did I deflect his question?

More specifically, he asked me if night actions are resolved at the end of the night, and I agreed with him, then went on to pose a question of my own.

Though, as I think on this, do you usually get to hold on to inventor abilities?

[Voidedmafia]

Hrmph, neither the inventor question to Khan nor the wiki states as such, but the only believable option is that I got it and had it available to use N1 and then either used it N1 or it was used up at the end of N1. And I'm absolutely positive it was used by N1 so it's one of those two options.

[serrapaladin]

The way I understood it, and the only way it really makes sense, was that you confirmed to HAVE RECEIVED an ability from shos N1 and USED that ability N2.

I've already admitted that I was acting anti-town. I was playing to my wincon, so I was trying to cause a chain of events that would lead to people except me getting lynched. I didn't know what to do when Voided didn't claim to have been blocked last night, so I jumped on the Syry wagon. Unfortunately, my trying to lurk my way to endgame backfired and almost got me lynched.

I am almost certain Voided either didn't have an ability at all, so didn't notice he was blocked, or was blocked but didn't want to claim. With my claim, he could have vehemently insisted on having used it last night to get me lynched, but then my flip would have completely incriminated him. Instead he decided to try and claim he used it N1 instead.

[Syryana]

I'm simply telling you what I know has happened. If I knew why, I'd have explained by now.

You're saying the item shos sent you used itself?

That's a load of crap. Shos gives you an ability N1. Thanks to NAR, you get it at D2 start. There's no way for you to use it N1.

Or possibly it's used at the start of D2?

So you

got

the item N1, and

used

it during the day on Day 2. Is that correct?

No.

i recieved and used an object N1. That is correct.

I cleared shos wth this on D2, and thought I was reconfirming this fact on D3, though I did not realize Serra was asking me about N2 and not N1 at the time. Perhaps not that it was used (I did not necessarily see the point of saying what I got and if it was used at the time), but at the very least that I did recieve something.

I did know what it did as of D2, I just simply haven't told you all yet (and I won't unless we're all massclaiming or I'm at L-1+hammer claim). I said I didn't exactly recall the name of the ability when I was originally asked D2, but I have known since I got it what it did.

Wait, now you used it N1 again? I'm confused. Where did you clear shos in D2? I don't see you clearing shos until D3.

How did I deflect his question?

He was attempting to discern how you used this gadget thing. You changed the topic.

Pedit: This makes no sense, the wiki implies that gadgets must be used by the person holding it. It sort of using itself and you getting some kind of confirmatory information is crazy talk.

[Syryana]

Hey serra.

In post 959, serrapaladin wrote:
But that's the thing: I can't. I have no idea who they are, and if we mislynch at 2/6 scum left, there's nothing stopping scum from just nightkilling me for the unshared victory. I literally have no incentive to vote with scum unless it's LyLo, and even then I'd rather win with town. Lynching me will take you to actual MyLo.

How do you know what MYLO is?

Add to that: How do you know 2 scum are left?

[Voidedmafia]

You're saying the item shos sent you used itself?

I'm saying that, possibly, if I didn't use the item it would've forcibly been used at the start of D2/end of N1.

...So yes, it probably used itself.

So you got the item N1, and used it during the day on Day 2. Is that correct?

I got the item on N1, and I supposed that it was used at the start of D2 or the end of N1, in either case without my directive.

Wait, now you used it N1 again?

I never tried to say otherwise.

I'm confused. Where did you clear shos in D2?

Do you not recall that Shos claimed inventor D2?

It sort of using itself and you getting some kind of confirmatory information is crazy talk.

Yet I have no ability to use now (nor had one for N2), and know that my PR given on N1 was used that very night.

[serrapaladin]

Hey serra.

In post 959, serrapaladin wrote:
But that's the thing: I can't. I have no idea who they are, and if we mislynch at 2/6 scum left, there's nothing stopping scum from just nightkilling me for the unshared victory. I literally have no incentive to vote with scum unless it's LyLo, and even then I'd rather win with town. Lynching me will take you to actual MyLo.

How do you know what MYLO is?

Add to that: How do you know 2 scum are left?

2 scum is by far the most common setup with a mafia-ally (I linked a whole bunch of test-setups earlier). Rufflig did find 1 setup with 3 scum + ally, but particularly with a survivor, I'm almost certain it has to be 2. Then, I was under the impression that if it's 3 town, 2 scum and me, the game wouldn't end as scum don't have a majority. Hence we'd only be in MyLo if we mislynch today. Rufflig however claims that I can count towards the scum-majority, hence that it is MyLo. I've asked the mod, but I'm not sure if he'll answer.

[Voidedmafia]

My Ghoul PM from the first Xylbot Mafia says I won when I was alive with one other faction (town or scum). So Rufflig would be correct.

[serrapaladin]

But surely if there are 2 scum, 3 town and me, I am alive with TWO other factions, and neither has individually achieved their wincon?

[serrapaladin]

Also, I'm like 90% sure I've seen LyLo between 1 town, 1 survivor, and 1 scum, where the survivor was basically a kingmaker.

[Voidedmafia]

So when it becomes 2 scum, 1-2 town and scum win, you'd win with scum?

P-EDIT: 1 town, 1 scum, and 1 SK, sure. Probly not survivor.

[serrapaladin]

2 scum, 1 town, and me is definitely a scum victory, and I would win with them if I understand it correctly. What I'm not sure about is 2 scum, 2 town + survivor. If I vote with town, which I would, town can still win, but Rufflig claims that's game over and scum wins.

[Voidedmafia]

I'd have to agree with Rufflig about that, but it is a grey area. One that I'd rather not resolve by getting there, but.

[serrapaladin]

Best I can find is this logged IRC Xylbot game, which has a 3p endgame between a mafioso, a survivor and a townie. The game doesn't end automatically, but the survivor had to vote with one of the factions to end the game.

I'm pretty sure that means Rufflig is wrong.

[The Rufflig]

It would be nice to know how old that game is. The list has a different description for survivor. I have been basing mylo on the mechanics of a survivor on mafiascum. In that respect, I could be mistaken. Well, I guess we will have to wait and see what our xylbot actually quotes; that should give us a clue.

I really didn't want to do a bunch of quoting, but ... this is all from today (DAY 3)

Voided, can you confirm shos?

Serra, Tonight or last night?

VM: Last night. Did you use whatever he gave you?

VM: Last night. Did you use whatever he gave you?

yes.

...and?

...and?

Why do you need to know what I got and how I used it to confirm Shos?

Shos says he gave me something. I've confirmed I got it. At the very least we've already confirmed that Shos's roleclaim is true. What else do you need in that regard?

Because if he's a normal Inventor, he's town (as I don't think we can have 2 mafia-allies), but if he's a Malfunctioning Inventor, he can be scum.

I don't care what you got, I care about whether it worked as intended. If he's Malfunctioning, you would still get an ability, but it wouldn't do what it says on the tin.

I don't care what you got, I care about whether it worked as intended. If he's Malfunctioning, you would still get an ability, but it wouldn't do what it says on the tin.

Oh, it worked as intended, alright.

If Voidedmafia is now telling us the truth, it is very hard to read that conversation without thinking that he was not being misleading (at best) at the start of day.

[Voidedmafia]

Again, I thought he was referring to N1, not N2, at the time. If I had realized this was not the case, I would've said that I didn't get anything.

[The Rufflig]

Which means that you did not receive something that you expected to get night 2. When we theorized that shos was probably not a malfunctioning inventor because you didn't get killed or blocked night 2, you didn't speak up because ...?

[Voidedmafia]

Which means that you did not receive something that you expected to get night 2. When we theorized that shos was probably not a malfunctioning inventor because you didn't get killed or blocked night 2, you didn't speak up because ...?

When did I "expect" to get anything?

[The Rufflig]

*sigh* And this would be why I wanted you to straighten things up yourself instead of making me drag it out of you one question at a time.

Are you saying that the ability was not used on night 2?

[Voidedmafia]

Are you saying that the ability was not used on night 2?

Other than at the beginning of D3 (which I've already cleared up), when did I ever say I got anything N2?

[shos]

^^behold ashe keeps deflecting.

No way night actions are sorted before night is over. What if you got the ability and then i would e roleblocked? Do uou understand where you scumslipped?