Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Metal Sonic]

rach marie you are very very right

i will slow down my reading

also td is most probably bad for the town so if he flips town later at least he wont spoil some lynch or something !

[Venmar]

Umm Venmar are you now saying you think I am bussing AJ? That would require that both of us be scum... hello?

Or did you misunderstand that I voted for AJ yesterday cause I thought he be scumz and I voted for him today for the same reason.

The Beetlejuice ref was cute though

I am on the computer at sporadic times for now because I am sharing the laptop with NS, in a cple of weeks though should have my new computer YAY.

Yeah I did post them still working on sorting out a few peeps being a large game and my time a bit more limited. Plus not wanting to make too many notepad files to keep track of stuffs on NSs computer.

- Yeah... thats... what... bussing is...? But no, if you actually read my post you'll see that I think AJ is town.
- Please, read my post and realize the fact you have been voting AJ during Day 1 is so vague and thin. You literally have no reason to be voting AJ
- Don't mean to sound like a dick but scum are more likely to apologize about IRL than town.

[TiphaineDeath]

Aright, Fine. I'll try to look at some of the other bits of the playerbase I have reads on :/.

[Varsoon]

Huh. I thought I tagged people to quote.
Apparently not?
Fucking mafiascum.


Anyway,

@Andrius:

Yeah, man, I was wrong. Rub it in, I guess.

@Ghostlin:

My thought process was something like this: 2's probably town. I meta'd 2, but then again, when I meta'd 2, I kinda -wanted- 2 to be town and interpreted it that way. 2 could not be town. The wagon is mostly people I think are town, though. If 2's town and this wagon is scummy, oh fuck. Well. Day is going to end soon, and everyone seems stubborn about this. Hum. Fuck it, 2 could be scum, and I could be wrong, and if I'm not, then I can hope to expose his wagon, since I'll likely live to the next day.


Anyway, my scum-list is currently AJ, TD, Andrius, and Cabd. Don't know how I feel about the new Spinachattack or w/e.
Mayonegg.


Any-anyway, I support the AJ flip, as I have so far.

AJ

I have yet to ISO 2 and figure stuff out, like I said I would, but other people (BRO and Nacho, I think?) both jumped on that.

[Varsoon]

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

[borkjerfkin]

AJ

If this was supposed to be a vote, I didn't count it.

[Varsoon]

AJ

If this was supposed to be a vote, I didn't count it.

I be trippin, cap'n.

VOTE: AJ


Used the boldtag instead of votetag, I guess.
Either that or the site is seriously kicking me in the ass.

[Cabd]

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

[Varsoon]

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

Oh, because ordering a pizza for someone isn't lame?
Come on, it's that mentality which perpetuates our cynical, non-pizza-ordering society.

Explanations? Just suspicions.

[Cabd]

Could one of you guys order me a pizza or something? I'm really hungry, but broke.
Like, I'll give you my address and you can pay online for it or something.

Not sure if joking or just lame.

Mind explaining your andy read? Or hell, your cabd read?

Oh, because ordering a pizza for someone isn't lame?
Come on, it's that mentality which perpetuates our cynical, non-pizza-ordering society.

Explanations? Just suspicions.

I'm Italian, online order pizza is mostly crap anyways, so we're doing you a favor by not ordering it for you.

So you don't actually have a case on andy (or myself, or anyone else one your list) besides gut suspicions, ooor?

[Varsoon]

Oh, the quality of most pizza here in the states is variable, but probably pretty low. I wouldn't know, you know?
Regardless, there's more than just pizza that delivers.


I actually have a case, but articulation would take time, effort, and wouldn't be incredibly worth it.
It serves the same purpose for me to just say I suspect you're scum.
After all, if I did an ISO, like with 2, I'd probably interpret things as scummy.
My thought process is that there's got to be scum in the ineffable town-body, and even if there isn't, there's likely scum latching onto it. Cabd and Andrius feel like that. Also, Andy called me out and put a vote on me, so I've got to OMGUS or something.
It's actually interesting how few people cared that I was ardently defending 2, waffling a bit on it, and then I put the L-1 vote down.
Also, basing a few things off of an ISO of 2 and who 2 put in town/null buckets.

[Cabd]

No as in I live in California, but my Italian blood makes me cry over crappy pizza. So you're saying your read is so weak you're unwilling to present it? Or are you saying that you think you just saying "I suspect X" is sufficient?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well first of all I really didn't like his exchange with Sajin. It felt like he was just attacking him due to OMGUS from this. But I really didn't like the way Venmar just came in here today and called Sajin town. It just feels so... off. Especially since he was angry yesterday, voted him, then all he really said about him is that he'll be revisiting him. So to answer someone's question of "Why is Sajin town again?" with almost like "because he is" is... weird. The response is not really adding up with someone who had a suspicion of him right at the end of the day before. Btw, if this is multiball, Venmar's over-explanation at the end of day 1 is extremely terrible (well, it is extremely terrible already, but if it's multiball it makes it scummy imo).

You don't like Venmar because you didn't like his exchange with Sajin because it was weird?
I don't really like this reasoning.

Not really? I said I didn't like him because it seemed he just dropped his suspicion of Sajin suddenly, without really a reason (I mean I know he said he'd reread him but the answer to Orc seems artificial and it doesn't feel right coming from someone who just had a suspicion of Sajin at the end of the day before.)

I'll take a look at his case against Rach in a few.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So I think Rachmarie should be our lynch.
- Discuss.

At this point had you read her ISO or anything? You didn't mention anything about her yesterday, so did you

have an epiphany

ISO her during the night or just a gut feeling or?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So, I am split on AJ. Don't get me wrong, I still believe AJ is town, but my townreads ( namely Nacho ) believe AJ to be scum, which makes me doubt my own read.

But seriously, this looks like an excuse to "reluctantly" jump on the AJ wagon.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay varsoon is looking pretty bad right now

[RachMarie]

Dont mind me I am in the corner dealing with my exploding head...

Did Var REALLY ask for someone to buy him pizza?>

Did Var and Cabd REALLY spend posts analyzing the pizza comment??

[Varsoon]

okay varsoon is looking pretty bad right now

Whyso?

I mean, apart from what I've said in earlier posts today.

@Cabd: I feel like stating my suspicions is sufficient. Extrapolating will only end in my exasperatedly providing biased reads.



@Rach: You're just jealous no one will buy you pizza.

[Varsoon]

C'mon, someone buy me some damn pizza.
When I get published, I'll put you in the acknowledgements.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

...mollie has tagged her name in her posts in the past.

Because I'm not? I outlined why and telling me im working really hard doesn't cut it.

why are you getting cranky with me andy?

also I asked you in a pivotal point in the game what you thought was going on and you ignored the question. I then said again later that I asked you that question and you ignored it and you did not respond to that post either.

you addressing me in some ways but distancing yourself in others. I don't like that. if you want to get close then get close don't pussy-foot around it. nacho says you can but so far I am not seeing it so you either lack the balls for it or are scum.

eta: ahahahahaha, rach, inorite

[Varsoon]

This town needs unity.
And pizza.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay varsoon is looking pretty bad right now

Whyso?

I mean, apart from what I've said in earlier posts today.

@Cabd: I feel like stating my suspicions is sufficient. Extrapolating will only end in my exasperatedly providing biased reads.



@Rach: You're just jealous no one will buy you pizza.

yes. it has to do with your posts today

what 2 say about varsoon. cabd or rach do you remember?

[RachMarie]

ugh you are going to make me look at their War and Peace sized novel of an ISO?

thanks tons girl Love you too.


Var I already had pizza, for the 1st, NS and I ordered pizza for us and his son who is visiting for a bit.

[RachMarie]

Mollie it was not so much the pizza comment as the fact that the two of them then sat and analyzed it like it was somehow related to the game that got to me.

[Varsoon]

Provided my quote tags work, here's what I could dredge.
2 was on and off about me being scum. Called me town at first, then demoted me to null, then told me voting 2 was a waste of time.

Regardless, I'm town.
Hey, maybe I could read B&B and 2's back-and-forth as a form of scum bussing.

Spoiler:

Fery. Vote varsoon with me?

Hi metal sonic nice to meet you. Are you going to vote someone?

I still need to talk with buldermar.

Sorry, Sven. Your wagons tend to have an unbearable amount of friction and irrelevancy. If Ghostlin was here, I'd keep my vote there and make a case or something. Ghostlin, however, is not here.

also what the fuck does relevancy have to do with a wagon.

How many other players have weighed in on Ghostlin?
It's an irrelevant wagon.
How many other players have said something about Sven?
It's a relevant wagon.

One flip will tell us more about the rest of the players than the other.

Hope this makes sense. Sometimes I'm far too in my head.

I think I get this. But I don't understand why you said Svenskt's wagon was irrelevant in the first quote.

- f

Fery. Vote varsoon with me?

Hi metal sonic nice to meet you. Are you going to vote someone?

I still need to talk with buldermar.

You seem to be a lot more guarded with your reads and thought processes this game

I do? I've put down a ton of reads since the game started. As of last night there are a few people who haven't participated enough for me to have a read yet. And a couple reads are pretty soft based on a handful posts.

I'm not going to srsvote again without catching up with buldermar.

re varsoon, compared to the borkgame he seems a lot more way out there. he tunnele us/selkies pretty hard on day 1 of that game. His "case" (hesitate to use the term) on you is bizarre, but reading through it, I don't think he's taking himself seriously so I'm not sure what the point is.

What reactions were worth gathering?

I mean, come on. Everything that happened was very much expected. I slammed Varsoon and voted him and built a case, people reinforced their townreads on me, what the hell was /supposed/ to happen?

Just like his disguise of the Aj sheep, the case on me is a failed act by scum that Varsoon is trying to disguise as a reaction test.

And you know my policy on reaction tests. If it's past RVS and you don't know what you're looking for or can't state what you found, you're scum for it.

Pedit: Not really no he isn't

Which wagon push do you think would yield more results?

Pedit: Hi

When did we play a game together, Aj? Because I don't remember you

Taking it under advisement.

@Mollie what are your thoughts re Varsoon?

Back-ish.

buldermar tried to talk me into a TD vote. I'm not feeling it. Nacho, your reasons for thinking he's town made sense.

Buldermar and I had a chance to talk about varsoon, too. He agrees with me that the overnight walls don't look scum-motivated.

I'm still pretty pissed off at Mollie. Any "room" she was supposedly giving me in this game IMO was mythical. In post 283 she'd already started in on me with the 3rd person shit. But, I think she's town so I'm going to suck it up, despite holding back massive quantities of snark.

Town: orcinus, nacho, B&B, BRO

Leaning town:
svenskt (for today - pretty sure this is my view only , not buldermar's)
Andreius
GiF (that was a weird thing about the chat game, though)
Cabd (in part based on nacho and to a lesser extent Rach)

Null/Town:
Rach (always and forever I swear)
Varsoon
Ghostlin (this read could slide)
Mac

Leaning Scum:
TD (buldermar's read mostly)
TMTwhatev
Maybe AJ

Not enough info to go on: Sajin, dntfkingcare, Metal Sonic, jon_h61

This is not a consensus list (yet anyway), but some of my views are influenced by buldermar's opinions.

First of all, your read was oriented completely around TD-me-mollie-orc, things like that. You ignored the Varsoon situation completely, and you found nothing to comment on from anyone else. What do you think of everyone else?

I was mostly concerned with how mollie didn't have any clear read on our slot. First she simultanously read me as town and f as scum. Then she simultanously read me as town and scum. Usually she has a clear read, even when she's wrong.

Why did this concern you? Was there a game you played with mollie-scum where she didn't have a clear read on you?

If you didn't already, please clarify.

- b

I asked you what you thought of her, saw nothing. What do you think of her and her specifically?

Which I did. She told me that the two of you had a run in, that Nacho decided we're scum and that orc wants us to vote varsoom, who went on a wall-posting spree overnight with utterly bizarre stuff. I then told her I'd be reading and she told me she'd not be posting for a while.

And you not commenting on Varsoon at all but commenting on us, commenting on me. That was suspicious. It shows you're more concerned about fixing your rep than looking for the scum you're supposed to be finding.

I'll almost guarantee that he will scum read me even if the two of you are town - that's sort of what he does.

This seemed strange, considering your immediate townread on Majiffy after. I felt like you were preemptively defending against the Majiffy scumread, especially since I don't remember him ever calling you scum except when he was scum and being an idiot.

What can I do to help you stop being an idiot?

You usually know when I'm empty shit-talking.
You know that I'm not sure of a scumread on you two or I wouldn't be afraid to tunnel the shit out of you.

Nacho, how the fuck can you be town reading this?

This question is very, very late. You never followed up when you mixed him and Cabd up before.

What independent thought?

Read his most recent post that's not "town rage".

You don't really mind votes on him? How is that compatible with town reading him? Why don't you just explicitly admit that you're wrong with your read on him?

My townread on him until recently had to make a lot of inferences. Since he's not as bleedingly town as others, I would rather people like orc put on TD votes instead of Varsoon votes, for example.

I thought I already explained why I mixed up the two at the time. What is it that you think the problem is exactly?

Lack of followup. You were like "whoops, wrong one". And the fact that you didn't notice you mixed them up until I pointed out you did showed me that you sure as hell didn't read my reasoning for him being town. But mostly, it was the lack of followup.

What the fuck? No I fucking wasn't. I identified you on my own, which I'm positive she can confirm.

Also fuck you for trying to discredit me in this manner.

Sorry, I fucked up. But did you really think that I was trying to discredit your town game?

1) I read it rather selectively. I don't have much time due to an exam so I skipped a lot of the longer posts. For instance, I didn't read the content of the long posts Varsoon and Majiffy made. I just noticed what kind of reads they had and made my read based on that. Varsoon voted someone who was unlikely to get lynched (I don't even remember who) after an asburdly long entrance post, so I asserted that he is probably town based on that. Majiffy is active and seems to care, so he's town. I still think TD is scum. I also don't like Cabd. I havn't found a reason to think orc or you are scum, so I'm just going to trust f's town read on the two of you. I'm not certain that Sven is town, but lynching him today is dumb. I have no idea how to read Rach - I've reached the conclusion that her posts just always seem anti-town to me regardless of her alignment. I want to have a look at the Sven wagon as I've already mentioned, but havn't had time yet. I havn't really read the rest of the players posts careful enough to make any read.

2) You're essentially pointing it out yourself. Usually she does have a clear read on me (it being town or scum), even if that read is wrong. I felt like she didn't have any clear read on first our slot and then me this game, which is what I would expect from scum-mollie. As it turns out, I was probably wrong, because I don't see Majiffy making all these posts as scum.

3) See above.

4) I can see why you're thinking this, but turn the table for a moment. What would your reaction be if I ignored all of your questions and instead continued with finding scum? I'm pretty sure you'd assert that I would be trying to direct attention away from me. I trust that f and I will be able to find something if you'll just calm yourself and at least entertain the possibility that you're wrong with your current read.

5) He has called me scum both as scum and town and more so than any other player I can think of - and I don't think it's a close call. I'm rather surprised that he's not doing it this game, but that's unrelated to me read on him. He's town because he's not faking reads, he's dedicating time, he seems to care and his reads are very much in accordance with mine.

6) Obviously. If I thought you were locked into a scum read I wouldn't be spending time responding to your posts and attempt to meet your wishes.

7) I'm not sure what exactly you mean by that being very very late? Anyway, I didn't want to figure out exactly what I misunderstood, but I think I swapped TD and Cabd and one point, which caused the confusion. If you absolutely insist, I'll try to find it for you, but I do think it's a waste of time.

8) His most recent post that wasn't "town rage" happened subsequent to the post in which you claimed that he possessed "independent thought".

9) Alright, but I thought you had him as "obv town". Again, I may be thinking that you said something about TP which was really about Cabd, and vice versa.

10) Alright, I can see that this is really bothering you. Here is how I remember it, but I might mix up details because I really didn't consider it that important. I was talking to f about reads on gchat. I read both of TP and Cabd as scum. I read a post in which you said one or both of them was obv town and I asked you about one of them. When I asked you about your reasoning for thinking that person was town, I thought we were talking about the other person, so when I went to ISO the person I was actually ISO'ing the other person. This should all be confirmable if you reread. It's better that you do it yourself because a) I don't want to and b) if I'm doing it, you're just going to think I selectively quote certain posts or something similar.

11) It's np. No, I don't think you'd do that even if you were scum. I was just annoyed with you and I have a big ego.

- b

BRO, I mean both of those things, but mostly post-count.

@B&B:

The lurkiest of scumteams

.

@Orc: You keep trying to devalue my voice. You literally have no clue what my gambit could be, but you're already decrying it.
I'll never stop posting.
If you don't like it, replace out.

yes. cos yanno some scum like to lurk in games

you have no idea how I came to that conclusion

fery knows

fery would you say that if metal flips scum that rach is probably his partner?

based on his last reads list? It's not where scum-me would likely put a partner but I do see scum sometimes put teammates in their town pile at MS. Totally caught me by surprise in my first newbie game when my scum partner put me at the top of his town list.

Town
{

Nacho

,

2

,

GIF

,

Orci

,

Sven

, dfc,

AJ, Rach

, Ghostlin,

MetalSonic

}

Scum
{

Cabd

,

Tiphane

,

Mac

,

Varsoon, BROseidon

}

Updated.

Why is AJ, Rach, dfc, Ghostlin and MetalSonic town?
Why is Varsoon and BROseidon scum?

- b

2, however, I'm just not happy with.

Vote: 2

This looks opportunistic when you take into consideration the fact that a) you present no reason and b) Nacho just decided to push our lynch.

Why is Varsoon town?

- b

3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
8. Ghostlin
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
13. orcinus_theoriginal
14. RachMarie
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon

I'm not lynching any of these people. Most of them I'm not lynching ever, but there's too many people in here for me to actually say that. I would like everyone in this list to focus in on each other if they aren't comfortable with each other, though.

Havn't talked to f about Andrius yet. (correction, I talked to her while making this post and she has a strong town read on him, which I'm inclined to trust)
Majiffy/mollie is like 95%+ town.
BRO I havn't looked into.
Initially I thought Cabd looked bad, but his posts has been looking good later on. Also, he made one post that I thought was very indicative of a town mindset IIRC.
Ghostlin I havn't looked into.
GiF I think could still be scum because of that weird jump on the Sven wagon asserting that Sven claiming two roles is scummy (but he could just not know better, that's plausible too).
Mac I've looked at, but I can't read him for shit - I felt the exact same way in that other game. I also talked to f a bunch about it and she doesn't feel like she can confidently read him either
I'm trusting f on her town-read of orc because she's been right about him every other time and she has previously read him based off of only one or two posts.
Rach always just looks anti-town to me, and I havn't found any clear pattern. I like her persona, she just never appears to be particularly engaged in the game to me.
TD still looks scummy to me - especially when you weight in that the others from my Sven-wagon analysis doesn't otherwise stand out as scummy. f disagrees, though.
Varsoon doesn't look particularly town to me.

To sum up: I disagree only significantly with your read on TD.

vote - 2

Sheeping nacho here. I'm not sure I agree with him when he says varsoon is town, but I'm interested in varsoon if 2 and metal sonic are scum. That post vs me kinda felt like a chainsaw and bus all in one. Remember I said this if both 2 and metal flip scum.

Enjoy your sheeping-journey. I'm looking forward to the unvoting part of it.

- b

@orcinus mine first, then buldermars. If I don't get pissed off and take a break, I'll be posting an updated one after I go through a ton of ISOs tonight.

- f

Town: orcinus, nacho, B&B, BRO

Leaning town:
svenskt (for today - pretty sure this is my view only , not buldermar's)
Andreius
GiF (that was a weird thing about the chat game, though)
Cabd (in part based on nacho and to a lesser extent Rach)

Null/Town:
Rach (always and forever I swear)
Varsoon
Ghostlin (this read could slide)
Mac

Leaning Scum:
TD (buldermar's read mostly)
TMTwhatev
Maybe AJ

Not enough info to go on: Sajin, dntfkingcare, Metal Sonic, jon_h61

This is not a consensus list (yet anyway), but some of my views are influenced by buldermar's opinions.

Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon

Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)

- b

dntfkingcare

fluff - initial 7 posts, not linking to them

self-meta 356

more self meta 819 comments on two wagons (varsoon - understands, but not jumping, and TD - doesnt understand, "reaction fishing"? What does this mean?

10 posts total. no fucking idea what his alignment is based on the available content, but low level of content in even those 10 posts looks really bad.

Alright, I'm back. Should I try this on 2 or on TheReverend?

You fucking do that on us. We're the ones about to get lynched, not Rev. WTF IS THIS

Makes me think--in a Lylo situation, all players could quote their role PMs directly, and the one guy who isn't modkilled is the scum, because he would have to lie or be modkilled. Then again, I guess if everyone is modkilled, there's no one to lynch the remaining scum.

Makes me think that you probably need a game with only Varsoon's to have enough people being that retarded.

Makes me think--in a Lylo situation, all players could quote their role PMs directly, and the one guy who isn't modkilled is the scum, because he would have to lie or be modkilled. Then again, I guess if everyone is modkilled, there's no one to lynch the remaining scum.

WHAT THE FUCK. WHY WOULD YOUR BRAIN EVEN GO HERE??

I am some sort of evil genius, or absolute retard, according to 2.


Anyway, let's lynch 2.
VOTE: 2

2, you're scum, right?

Please don't waste my time.

- b