Newbie 1381 Oakhaven is Overrun Game Over

[talah]

I think that was a couple votes off, since Tybalt and I changed votes at the last L-2.

VOTE: JMO

[jmo16mla]

Um. Please, look at morthax. Not me.

Look at the reasoning for her last vote.

I don't even understand the reasoning for YOUR vote.

[talah]

Claim.

[jmo16mla]

I think that was a couple votes off, since Tybalt and I changed votes at the last L-2.

VOTE: JMO

Yeah, so why all the sudden change?

[talah]

Read the thread. Claim.

[jmo16mla]

No. There is no intent to hammer me. Why would I need to claim?

You just had a brilliant reason to vote who? Thane? Now it's back on me?

[mothrax]

Morthax is scum.
Trust me on this one

VOTE: morthax

How is my vote bad? You keep bringing up me using the ic excuse, I said it was difficult.

You're pushing non reasons that don't point me towards being scum and I'm not liking it.

At all.

Because you haven't once mentioned mala as possibly being scum, you didn't include any reasoning with your vote, and you haven't followed up with it at all.

It's funny to me that once multiple people accuse you of tunneling you switch your vote.

[mothrax]

Also, its pretty obvious you aren't really reading very carefully, since I stated fairly obviously that I'm a dude. And that you can't spell my name.

Nice OMGUS though. You go from not mentioning me as a scum spect to "Mothrax is defo scum guys" after I vote you.
Oh wait... You did that to Mala too... Well, the same concept at least.

[talah]

More votes for jaymo please. Currently at L-2 by my count.

[talah]

Please check before voting.

[jmo16mla]

I voted mala to pressure her? Never said she's defo scum.

Your play has been bad mothrax. And I read. Kay.

I suggest no one vote me because I'm at l-1

This is some shit. I don't have time to deal with your ignorant accusations. ALL OF THEM ARE ABOUT ME BEING THE IC. You're really pissing me off.

It's pretty easy to call scum out when you're getting Waggoned because you see when people jump on you for shit reasons. JUST. LIKE. YOU. DID. I've called scum correctly in this very manner, many times, so stop trying to discount my claim for calling you scum.

[jmo16mla]

Please check before voting.

On you shut up. You already told people I'm at l-2 so vote me, you can't retract that.

I'm going take my father to the hospital. I'd rather NOT be hammered by then.

[mothrax]

I'm still happy with my reads. Honeybee, are you sure youre a newb?

@Talah: what benifit to town does posting things like the play, and other various, mostly unnecessary walls have?

@JMO: We all know what you think of that one slot who I cant remeber who is in it now... (GEN?) but who else could be scum... what are your other reads?

I feel like JMO has made a lot of excuses for his play without doing anything about it. He is tunneling and not really contributing and he is blaming activity

and first time ICing... Lots of other people manage to IC just fine their first time while playing to their wincon... I can even dig up my old one if I must... but I would look to people like Nachomamma and Thor...

pedit! whoo...

I boldes the parts that had nothing to do with you being an IC for you... There's more around here too...

[mothrax]

Deadline is in 10ish days. All the vitecounts have a countdown tag in them, so they all reflect the actual deadline not the deadline at the time of that post.

As for scumreads other than Grey, I would be down with a Talah lynch today. I was super unimpressed with Luigi's reaction to the RVS stuff and Talah since replacing in has pulled some interesting vote shenanigans. Voted Mala, now calls her town, pulled the whole "quasi-RVS" grey vote, etc...

The rest are all null or town...

JMO is nullscum. I'm not really happy with the way he has been pressuring players, it all seems very forced and half hearted to

me.

Oh hey... This is defo about you being an IC...

(I'm sorry to hear about your father, hope everything is alright...)

[talah]

I'm pretty sure you're at L-2. I'm voting because of no scumhunting, no threadreading, which you'd know if you read the thread.

Why not just claim? Rather than drag it out?

[Hyperion]

I am willing to hammer (if he is at L1 I have no idea) in a few hours once he claims.

[jmo16mla]

I'm pretty sure you're at L-2. I'm voting because of no scumhunting, no threadreading, which you'd know if you read the thread.

Why not just claim? Rather than drag it out?

Because claiming, is anti town.

[Hyperion]

But its Not?

[jmo16mla]

Okay. I'm going to iso everyone tonight and go from there. No excuses.

Yes, we have short time but even if I'm lynched I think town can fare well and win.

[Honey bee]

Well that happened.

First off he's at l-2. Tybalt unvoted him for grey, and talah/mothrax/gen are voting him now.

Claims are usually given when someone is threatening to hammer, which is not right now.

VOTE: mala

Care to dance?

I voted mala to pressure her?

You pressured her to dance? Usually, when you pressure someone, you want them to answer to something. I'm not seeing that.

It's pretty easy to call scum out when you're getting Waggoned because you see when people jump on you for shit reasons. JUST. LIKE. YOU. DID. I've called scum correctly in this very manner, many times, so stop trying to discount my claim for calling you scum.

Mothrax was suspicious of you for a while and for the lack of content you've provided you shouldn't be surprised. Is it really your excuse that you can't identify scum until you're bandwagoned? There is no inconsistency in his read and that vote was really off looking.

Morthax is scum.
Trust me on this one

Also please stop it with the ethos cred. Your words should defend you not your experience.

VOTE: Tybalt

You never explained unvoting JMO at the time and you are tarring he and myself with the same brush. That's bewildering without an explanation and you backed down from HB's interrogation without any 'defence' but rather a few apologetic sentences and a 'Please don't put words in my mouth' statement which comes across as a non-statement.

VOTE: JMO

:| Do you wanna pressure him or not? You said you were convinced jmo was scum.

Tunneling, no other defined reads outside of his one of Thane (now Gen?). In general this is bad, but for an IC, you are really teaching these newbies nothing. Leaning scum

Does that second part really have to do with how suspicious he is? Also I notice this is the only definite scum read you have, while 5 other people you sound pretty confident is town.

What do you like about Tybalt's analysis? I've made a couple of posts about his analysis. Do you disagree with me?

Honeybee, are you sure youre a newb?

I've played mafia games elsewhere, So I do know what I'm doing (⌐■_■).

[Gen_Wolf]

I'll even go one better:

VOTE: Tybalt

*snip*

That puts you at L-2 Tybalt.

Post 259 you vote Tybalt. Then (as shown below) post 275 you vote JMO. What change in 16 posts that your opinion went from Tybalt to JMO other than the fact a wagon was forming?? i know you said no scumhunting and no reading of the thread but you seemed so adamant about Tybalt.

alright....

anywho...

Im in the process of catching up...
Welcome Hyperion and Gen...

I'm male, just so ya know, guys... the avatar is left over from a modern family UPick I played in like... 2 years ago...

Thank you

Ya flip she is hot, one of the only reasons I watch modern Fam. Off-topic sorry

Morthax is scum.
Trust me on this one

VOTE: morthax

How is my vote bad? You keep bringing up me using the ic excuse, I said it was difficult.

You're pushing non reasons that don't point me towards being scum and I'm not liking it.

At all.

If I am going to be honest, I do not trust you so I do not think I will be voting Moth anytime soon. I have to laugh because you vote Mala no reason, and now you vote Mothrax no reason but then when questioned you don't offer an explanation either. Is this just another one of your pressure tests that you are doing to everyone. Your play just gets worse and worse.

(I also hope everything is ok with your father.)

I think that was a couple votes off, since Tybalt and I changed votes at the last L-2.

VOTE: JMO

This is here to emphasize my above point about your vote changing so quickly.

I'm pretty sure you're at L-2. I'm voting because of no scumhunting, no threadreading, which you'd know if you read the thread.

Why not just claim? Rather than drag it out?

Because claiming, is anti town.

Talah, another off play from you. You do not want someone claiming before they have to? Only when there is intent to hammer must JMO claim. I do not see why you would encourage an early claim? Please explain yourself.

Claiming isn't anti town?

[Gen_Wolf]

No. There is no intent to hammer me. Why would I need to claim?

You just had a brilliant reason to vote who? Thane? Now it's back on me?

it's clear you are not reading the game properly, firstly Thane is no longer playing and secondly he voted for Tybalt?

Hyperion, shot for your opinions but they seem very brief, other than the Mala one. I would like to see your case for Tybalt town though please?

[jmo16mla]

That's why I questioned who? Thane? I knew it was with a t. It was on the previous page and I've been phone posting. Kay.

[tybalt]

First of all Talah, you give me 70 minutes to respond before voting me?

Also, you are aware JMO is at L-2 yet you are asking him to claim? I don't have much forum experience, but I'm pretty sure you claim at L-1.

What is it that caused you to change your vote away from JMO?
Why did you then vote Greywing?
What are your assessments of other players?

First, Jmo is town in my opinion. He's acting anti-town, but not like scum, if that makes sense.
I also read some of his other games, and it honestly seems in character for him.

Second I voted greywing because of his bs gut read on moth.

Third, I will post a reads post after this.

[talah]

@tybalt: I was perhaps a bit unclear. What made you switch your vote away from JMO with such realisation that he was town? You had good arguments for him being scum prior to that and then suddenly drop it with no explanation. Please explain?
It would be good to get a reads post.

@gen: Actually, I was under the impression that people claimed at L-2 with intent to hammer up to L-1, to avoid scumbuddies from dropping the hammer and silencing the target. On reflection it's probably a non-issue in this type of game with only 2 Mafia. Additionally JMO himself posted that I should ask for a claim when I put him at L-2 prior to Tybalt removing his vote. Although I may have misunderstood that post.
Regarding flipping from JMO to Tybalt and back, that's exactly what I did, perhaps you missed the sequence of events and the relative weight of my arguments for each of them. I want JMO to claim because he's wasting everyone's time and until he does claim it's a big anti-focus sitting there staring at everyone. When he got off L-2 I decided Tybalt should have a chance to feel the heat. When Mothrax voted JMO I switched back because i want to hear his claim.
I disagree in this instance that asking JMO for a claim, early or not, is anti-town.

@HB: Yes I want to pressure Tybalt, but that pressure would have been quite weak and transparent, given the content of the previous post. JMO is my preferred lynch. Please someone put him at L-1.