Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Rubicon]

It's just a thought.

I don't want to be voting silly nilly.
What's the sitrep around here?
Who's scum?

I didn't call them out. Stop misrepping.

A vote. I'm so scared.

Yeah no.

VOTE: TheIrishPope

And Psych is scum for backing off from pressuring TheIrishPope for a weak reason - a very clear example of Mafia

trying

to look like they're scumhunting and doing Standard Town RVS Behavior, but not quite pulling it off because they're approaching the game from a scum POV.

I have

got

to finish my study on RVS enders.

Cool, you want us to hurry up and get out of RVS. But when someone comes along and does something scummy, you pursue it briefly and superficially and then let them off the hook with an "eh, that works"? What is the point of RVS if when someone starts to freak out under your pressure you just drop it and move on? Am I supposed to believe TIP throwing out a one-line, reasonless town read on skull in post 73 was enough to convince you to shift your focus to someone else? Explain that for me, please, because I'm not seeing the town motive.

[Rubicon]

It's just a thought.

This post alone should be enough for TIP to get the rope.

[TheIrishPope]

NEWSFLASH: THINKING IS SCUMMY

[Who]

eh, that works

A serious vote means you have a reason. Not sharing said reason makes the vote do nothing for the town. Furthermore, it is impossible to attack the reasoning behind a reasonless vote. Thus, it is impossible to defend against a reasonless vote and also impossible to attack the voter for scummy reasoning unless reasonless voting is scummy.
Voting without reason (Outside of RVS) is a progress-blocking monstrosity, and I see no reason why any town player would do such a thing.

You just explained why naked serious votes are antitown, not why they are scummy. And then your vote's in the wrong place.

vote who

How's my vote in the wrong place? It's gone.

And I explained why only scum would do it. Is that not the same thing as explaining why it's scummy?

[Psyche]

Cool, you want us to hurry up and get out of RVS. But when someone comes along and does something scummy, you pursue it briefly and superficially and then let them off the hook with an "eh, that works"? What is the point of RVS if when someone starts to freak out under your pressure you just drop it and move on? Am I supposed to believe TIP throwing out a one-line, reasonless town read on skull in post 73 was enough to convince you to shift your focus to someone else? Explain that for me, please, because I'm not seeing the town motive.

TIP's 73 is a towntell. You need to get your head out of your ass.

[Rubicon]

How in the world is 73 a towntell?

[Psyche]

eh, that works

A serious vote means you have a reason. Not sharing said reason makes the vote do nothing for the town. Furthermore, it is impossible to attack the reasoning behind a reasonless vote. Thus, it is impossible to defend against a reasonless vote and also impossible to attack the voter for scummy reasoning unless reasonless voting is scummy.
Voting without reason (Outside of RVS) is a progress-blocking monstrosity, and I see no reason why any town player would do such a thing.

You just explained why naked serious votes are antitown, not why they are scummy. And then your vote's in the wrong place.

vote who

How's my vote in the wrong place? It's gone.

And I explained why only scum would do it. Is that not the same thing as explaining why it's scummy?

Ceteris paribus, if you think someone just did something more scummy than anything else that has been done in the thread, you should vote for him. By not following this basic rule of thumb, you're exposing a lack of desire to pressure, lynch or simply advance the wagon on a supposedly scummy player. This makes the whole idea that you're town actively seeking to lynch scum appear disingenuous.

As for your other question, all you explained is how a behavior hurts town. This doesn't explain why scum would seek to do it, and it certainly doesn't rule out the most commonly accurate explanation in mafia for behavior that hurts town - people are pigheaded.

[Psyche]

How in the world is 73 a towntell?

Attention of the suspect was placed on figuring out who to lynch as opposed to a wagon whose basis the suspect found spurious.

But really, it's the culmination of a style of reaction to pressure that is not at all aberrant.

[Who]

I think that the action of serious naked voting is scummy. I think that given that context (Close to RVS, there was a case being made against the target by others) it wasn't very scummy. My post was more about stuff in general than that specific action.

And anti-townness was only half of my argument. The other half was about how it makes the voter unable to be attacked unless you attack them for their lack of reason.

[Psyche]

Which, as you know, is a pretty substantive reason to attack someone. So I'm not sure if that "other half" is really legitimate.

[Who]

You were the one questioning whether or not lack of reasoning was a substantive reason to attack someone.

[Rubicon]

How in the world is 73 a towntell?

Attention of the suspect was placed on figuring out who to lynch as opposed to a wagon whose basis the suspect found spurious.

But really, it's the culmination of a style of reaction to pressure that is not at all aberrant.

you've got to be kidding me

[Psyche]

tick tock rubicon

[Rubicon]

How in the world is 73 a towntell?

Attention of the suspect was placed on figuring out who to lynch as opposed to a wagon whose basis the suspect found spurious.

Attention of the suspect was placed on throwing out the smallest amount of content he could dredge up, a

town read

which as well all know is very difficult for scum to achieve.

But really, it's the culmination of a style of reaction to pressure that is not at all aberrant.

Explain this, please. What did you like about TIP's reaction to pressure?

[Psyche]

How in the world is 73 a towntell?

Attention of the suspect was placed on figuring out who to lynch as opposed to a wagon whose basis the suspect found spurious.

Attention of the suspect was placed on throwing out the smallest amount of content he could dredge up, a

town read

which as well all know is very difficult for scum to achieve.

Style of the throwing was fine.

But really, it's the culmination of a style of reaction to pressure that is not at all aberrant.

Explain this, please. What did you like about TIP's reaction to pressure?[/quote]

Consistent in tone.

What do you not like about TIP's reaction to pressure?

[Psyche]

You were the one questioning whether or not lack of reasoning was a substantive reason to attack someone.

No I was questioning your justification for your vote.

[Psyche]

*justification for your suspicion

Because there was no vote. For some

weird

scummy reason.

[TheIrishPope]

*burps*
Alright, so some of you silly willies think I'm scum
And that's just silly
It's outright silly to think I'm scum
Right now, I'm thinking Rubicon is scum for being in the butter zone, so my vote will go there
VOTE: Rubicon
Gimme yo' reads, scum

[Psyche]

Okay so maybe I was wrong.

[Psyche]

VOTE: TIP

[TheIrishPope]

What

[TiphaineDeath]

bahahahahahahhaha

[Psyche]

What

wow it is as if you are reading my thoughts and posting those instead of real content

[Who]

It wasn't a vote, merely a statement.

[Psyche]

ok who, our conversation cycle is over and I am pleased with your brain

TIP, talk to me. I

know

you. We almost went on an adventure together (with also chevre). What is going on? Don't tell me this is how you play mafia.