Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[Feel It]

It's nothing huge of course, just somewhat suspicious behavior, you may well be telling the truth, but you slipped up first so you get prodded first. You don't seem that new to me. Have you played on other sites?

[Feel It]

Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

Lynching anybody this early would be silly, we need to poke and prod and talk and get reactions, see who seems scummiest before making a decision. Not sure if I should give you benefit of the doubt due to your newness or change my vote now tbh.

[Miss Stranger]

I've played a fantasy themed forum mafia before, although it was quite a bit different (72h days, instant nights, the evils could meet and talk in their 'haunted inn' during the day). Was fuuuunnn... Oh, and I'm a somewhat regular at EpicMafia.com buuut I don't think that counts, just so vastly different. I read a little around the other Newbie games going on and some wiki theory, to get a general idea of what to expect.

In either case, IMO accusing of "changing" a joke vote (and then isntantly doing the same yourself) is just looking for phantom clues.

[Feel It]

VOTE: UNVOTE

I suppose you're right. While your behavior and reaction was odd, it's not as alarming as Gene_Wolf suggesting to lynch you already.

[Miss Stranger]

UNVOTE: Antagon.

Vote is on hold until we get some input from other players. My current analysis:
Fegelein: leaning town
Feel It: null
Gen_Wolf: scummy
Antagon: null

[Generic]

My first game post of mafiascum.

Best I don't RVS vote anyone because I saw quite a few votes on specific people and my vote could push them too close up the hammer. For the sake of a joke vote just not worth it.

No point in making specific thoughts on comments made at this stage as most will say it was a joke. Best to include it with anything later when it truly begins to matter.


On a lighter note, hello all.

[Gen_Wolf]

Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

Yeah...um...no.

I hope you realize I wasn't being serious?

I don't see how changing votes in RVS is scummy in any way. Ignoring my obvious joke vote on Gen_Wolf, I simply voted Antagon for starting a wagon on someone who's afk. I don't see how a wagon on an afk person would make them less afk. Game's just started. Sheesh.

And yes, I simply forgot to add my VOTE: tag in my previous post. I thought I could edit instead of doublepost, but apparently I can't. Apologies, rookie mistake. But tell me, Gen_Wolf, what could I possibly hide in my single, straightforward sentence that I would want to edit away? Just asking for your opinion as to why you think is scummy.

Feel It, same question to you. What's exactly wrong with changing an obvious joke vote, during RVS at that, that would make YOU switch vote?

Its a reaction test and it also allows RVS to come to an end. I don't like RVS, the longer it lasts the more crap that gets posted then it gets over analysed. By me changing my vote so early and raising an issue over something as stupid as you editing it allows for you to answer to it and it also gets the game out of RVS by creating suspicions such as the ones we have now.

Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

Lynching anybody this early would be silly, we need to poke and prod and talk and get reactions, see who seems scummiest before making a decision. Not sure if I should give you benefit of the doubt due to your newness or change my vote now tbh.

Feel it, thank you for the explanation I do understand. I did not really intend to lynch Miss Stranger this early. Firstly, I did it for the reaction to see how she responded. Secondly, I did it to end RVS which I think I achieved.

VOTE: UNVOTE

I suppose you're right. While your behavior and reaction was odd, it's not as alarming as Gene_Wolf suggesting to lynch you already.

Answered above. Don't want to lynch her.

[Nachomamma8]

She's fine at L-2.

Antagon is probably Town.

Agreed, Miss Strangers' wish to edit posts, changing votes on a joke bw could be newness or perhaps an early scumtell?

Her wish to edit posts is probably based on the site she comes from which allows that sort of thing.
Changing votes from a joke bandwagon to a serious one is always a good move.

No point in making specific thoughts on comments made at this stage as most will say it was a joke. Best to include it with anything later when it truly begins to matter.

Why are you so worried with how others will perceive you? If it's not a joke, then it will help us get into that stage where things WILL start to matter.

Vote: Generic

[Gen_Wolf]

She's fine at L-2.

Antagon is probably Town.

Agreed, Miss Strangers' wish to edit posts, changing votes on a joke bw could be newness or perhaps an early scumtell?

Her wish to edit posts is probably based on the site she comes from which allows that sort of thing.
Changing votes from a joke bandwagon to a serious one is always a good move.

No point in making specific thoughts on comments made at this stage as most will say it was a joke. Best to include it with anything later when it truly begins to matter.

Why are you so worried with how others will perceive you? If it's not a joke, then it will help us get into that stage where things WILL start to matter.

Vote: Generic

I never said I was worried with how people perceive me? I explained why I did it. Why you putting words in my mouth?

[Feel It]

Dw he was talking to Generic

[Generic]

He was referencing my post and voting for me.
And either he has misinterpreted my comments as caring how I look (in which case why would I even post to say I wasn't going to comment if I cared how I look?) or he is trying to misrepresent me.

Either way it says more about nachomamma than me, very trigger happy. Unless that's how you do it around here, I would have just probed the suspicion further.

[Generic]

And to address the point, if its not a joke and you jump on it before they post further they will just say it is under the guise of RVS. You leaping in to call them on it just closes them up, if you wait and see what they do next you build a case for it.

[Nachomamma8]

I never said I was worried with how people perceive me? I explained why I did it. Why you putting words in my mouth?

Are you a Generic alt?

Either way it says more about nachomamma than me, very trigger happy. Unless that's how you do it around here, I would have just probed the suspicion further.

You refuse to make comments on the game because you expect they'll be interpreted as jokes, but you're not really that afraid to make a comment on me when I start attacking you. Why?

And to address the point, if its not a joke and you jump on it before they post further they will just say it is under the guise of RVS. You leaping in to call them on it just closes them up, if you wait and see what they do next you build a case for it.

You don't need to wait until you have a grocery list of offenses they've committed in order to build a case on them; all you have to do is start pressing them when they say something that doesn't make sense.

[Generic]

I responded to you because you addressed me personally. And you seemed very eager to read heavily into my opening posts, you find out more about your accuser by engaging them. My initial view of you from the attacking post has changed subsequently with your follow up, so I gained something from it.

[Nachomamma8]

What observations did you hold back before because you thought they would be dismissed too easily?

[Fegelein]

Oh no, it's backseat scumhunting Nacho again.

[Generic]

Immediately gen wolf stood out with the 'lets wrap this one up early' comment, but as I expected it was explained away as a joke.

Why are you so keen to press me further now nacho, you already threw down your vote, I would hope you weren't so trigger happy that you didn't feel it was justified in your mind, why now trying to assert my alignment with the interrogation?

[Antagon]

Oh no, it's backseat scumhunting Nacho again.

Wait. Could you explain where this backseat scumhunting Nacho comes from first?

[Fegelein]

Oh no, it's backseat scumhunting Nacho again.

Wait. Could you explain where this backseat scumhunting Nacho comes from first?

Newbie 1344, all he pretty much did is ask questions, flipped scum.

[Generic]

I can see a similarity then. But his follow up from his attack felt less scummy than the original attack, so I'm not sure yet.

Having said that, did he get caught in that game? Maybe this on the offensive approach is an attempt to change meta but he is slipping back into old habits.

[Nachomamma8]

Oh no, it's backseat scumhunting Nacho again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
sorry Feg, I'm not a "sittin in the front seat" type of guy.

Immediately gen wolf stood out with the 'lets wrap this one up early' comment, but as I expected it was explained away as a joke.

Anything else?

Why are you so keen to press me further now nacho, you already threw down your vote, I would hope you weren't so trigger happy that you didn't feel it was justified in your mind, why now trying to assert my alignment with the interrogation?

Because that's the way I operate. Scum are more likely to slip up if you're pressuring them, and when you pressure town, you can sometimes kick them into gear.

Newbie 1344, all he pretty much did is ask questions, flipped scum.

You see a similarity to my town play and my scum play in an old game.
You are currently voting someone random. Why aren't you voting me?

[Feel It]

VOTE: Gen_Wolf

I'm not satisfied with his explanation that he wasn't serious, it was an odd and anti-town comment. I looked at some of his other games and I didn't seem him act like that.

[Miss Stranger]

So, a quick summary from my point of view... Bolding names for readability and clarity, these aren't votes, just saying!

Gen_Wolf

goes all "I wasn't serious" about lynching me (31),

Feel It

is not satisfied and votes him (46), based on past games meta. Not sure if

Gen_Wolf

could be scum trying to get an easy lynch off me and failing, or

Feel It

wants to earn my trust and take advantage of

Gen_Wolf

's scumminess. For now I'm about 40-50% certain at least one of them is scum.

On a different stage,

Generic

arrives in town and presents a pretext for not voting ("my vote can lynch someone, and I withhold my opinion" - 30),

Nachomamma8

finds that scummy and a strictly personal friction between them ensues (32).

Fegelein

and

Antagon

making passive remarks on

Nachomamma8

's playstyle, but otherwise lying low. Very difficult to get a read on either of those, I'm just slightly uncomfortable with

Generic

's forced passiveness.

No word from

champinoman

at this point besides the random vote,

James May

hasn't showed up yet at all.

[Antagon]

UNVOTE: Antagon.

Vote is on hold until we get some input from other players. My current analysis:
Fegelein: leaning town
Feel It: null
Gen_Wolf: scummy
Antagon: null

Please explain. What made Fegelein look town?
What did Gen_Wolf do that made him scummy?

[Miss Stranger]

Vote: Miss Stranger

Editing posts, something to hide in RVS stage already??

Obviously I had nothing to hide. Phantom clue.

Why bother with day 1. Lets just lynch Miss Stranger now and go from there? We are already onto our first scum.

Based on what?

She's fine at L-2.

Antagon is probably Town.

It shows a concern about appearances, which I've personally done in my first Newbie game as Town, but the editing post remark really took it to a new level.

I'd like to think actual analysis and reasoning is better than "omg obvious scumslip lynch right now". Then again he might just be trying to earn town credit. It's too early to say, which is why I said "leaning".