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Mutleyddmc (3)

: Mr. Flay, Xiao Long, rmpeacoc

rmpeacoc (3)

: jon_h61, JerryArr, Mutleyddmc

jon_h61 (2)

: Kattaze, notquitethere

No Vote (1)

: pitoli

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is Tuesday, June 25 at 4:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-06-25 16:00:00).

V/LA

jon_h61: June 16

[rmpeacoc]

I highly doubt that Xiao/rmp's early interactions were that of two partners...

^^ I completely agree with this. If I was just an onlooking town I'd say either we're both town or one of us is scum, not that both of us are scum.

[pitoli]

Mmkay well after getting slightly tunneled on RMP my scum read on her has lessened...

NQT seems a bit more town than he did yesterday.
Jon is tad bit scum lean which could very well change when he gets back but I still just don't see most of Kattaze's case on him.
I don't like Jerry's reason for not being very active in the thread.

Mutley... Meh.

[rmpeacoc]

okay here's my issue... Mutley comes in knowing he's scum... sees votes on him and votes on the most obviously easy bandwagon. How is this difficult to see?

[pitoli]

Frustrated with the current rate of posts...

[JerryArr]

okay here's my issue... Mutley comes in knowing he's scum... sees votes on him and votes on the most obviously easy bandwagon. How is this difficult to see?

Okay, I can definitely see this happening.
VOTE: Mutleyddmc,

putting him at L-1.

I'd also like to ask him to elaborate on his reads. You've say you've caught up, but why do you believe people are town instead of null or scum, and vice versa?

[Mr. Flay]

Frustrated with the current rate of posts...

Sorry, I left the house at 10 this morning and JUST got home...

I was considering removing my vote on lortaku/Muttley, but the way he jumped in on rmp doesn't really incline me to do so after reading today's posts. It's a pretty weak case and seems designed merely to push suspicion elsewhere (the other viable bandwagon, as rmp herself says). It actually works whether or not they're scum - distancing as partners, or trying to throw someTown, anyTown into the woodchipper. Vote stands.

Muttley

: I want you to analyze lortaku's posts, particularly the reads, and comment on each of them. There aren't many posts, so it won't take you long. Do you agree or disagree? Why?

I highly doubt that Xiao/rmp's early interactions were that of two partners...

^^ I completely agree with this. If I was just an onlooking town I'd say either we're both town or one of us is scum, not that both of us are scum.

I will agree with this as well. That would be very sophisticated/risky play for a game at this level (no offense).

[Xiao Long]

Anyone intend to hammer?

I'm not so sure I agree with people saying he's just throwing a vote on rmp to take attention away, I think she fully deserves the votes she has. I'm okay with either one being lynched, y'know, if we can actually lynch someone this time. <.<

NQT has gotten a lot less scummy since this day started, but I'll be going back to look and seeing if that was just first impression. I've admittedly paid little attention to Jerry and Jon today, but I'll go back over them.

[Xiao Long]

To the people on the wagon it's not surprising you are on day 2 with no kill or lynch.

Also, could you clarify this please?

I'm sure there are many theories on last nights NK, I don't think any really need to be said until we have a flip.

This line is interesting, indeed.

[Mutleyddmc]

okay here's my issue... Mutley comes in knowing he's scum... sees votes on him and votes on the most obviously easy bandwagon. How is this difficult to see?

Okay, I can definitely see this happening.
VOTE: Mutleyddmc,

putting him at L-1.

I'd also like to ask him to elaborate on his reads. You've say you've caught up, but why do you believe people are town instead of null or scum, and vice versa?

Just my feelings from the game. It's basically day 1. There's no info. We need a flip before reads really get solidified. I don't flipping there's a lot of interaction involving this slot so my flip is a good flip

[Mutleyddmc]

To the people on the wagon it's not surprising you are on day 2 with no kill or lynch.

Also, could you clarify this please?

I'm sure there are many theories on last nights NK, I don't think any really need to be said until we have a flip.

This line is interesting, indeed.

I think talking about them now only helps scum figure out what happened last night. We are at day 1 essentially, we just need a flip. So I won't give wagon analysis until it happens.

[rmpeacoc]

I'm not so sure I agree with people saying he's just throwing a vote on rmp to take attention away, I think she fully deserves the votes she has. I'm okay with either one being lynched, y'know, if we can actually lynch someone this time. <.<

Maybe I deserve the other votes that I have but don't you agree that there are far better reasons to vote me than the reason that mutley gave?

[Mutleyddmc]

@Flay his posts are just so newbish. He even softclaims a PR at one point which is very selfish of him. Which I have only just noticed. So maybe I can indeed look into the wagon.

[rmpeacoc]

Mutley do you realize you replaced lortaku?

[Mutleyddmc]

Yes of course.

[Kattaze]

Apologies for not posting in a while, I've been quite busy.

VOICE OF MOD:

Oh, and lortaku has been prodded.

Can you warn us if you're thinking about getting a replacement, so we have the option to lynch instead?

I don't like this at all. It is so anti-town that I would almost call it a scum-slip. To me, it reads like this: "Please don't replace lortaku because we are so close to lynching him and if we get a replacement we will lose this easy lynch and everything will be messed up while everyone gets a new read on the replacement". If Mr. Flay was town, why wouldn't he want a replacement? lortaku was pretty terrible and gave us all a lot of difficulty reading the slot because he was so lurky and when he actually posted his posts didn't have much substance. Why would you not want someone to breath new life into the slot to give town a chance to get a proper read of it. By trying to stop him being replaced Mr. Flay was trying to deny the town extra information that we could have used when deciding who to lynch. It is only in scum's interest to deprive the town of information and I think an IC would know that.

Tbh we need a flip. Looking at this game there's 3 people I think the game could get a lot if info from there flips. Me you and flay. I have you as much scummier than flay so I'd rather your flip

i think just about any flip would give us information...

Anyway we are certainly not lynching Flay. That's a really bad idea.

I still think we should lynch you.

I don't like the way you are ruling him out (I'm guessing it's because he's the IC). Why shouldn't we lynch Flay? Roles were given out randomly so it's not like he's any less likely than the rest of us to be scum. It's a bad way to play to rule certain people out of lynch contention. Basically means that they have a free pass/are immune to your scrutiny.

[Mutleyddmc]

Kattaze I'd rather not lynch flay today. He is a hige candidate for tomorrow.

[Kattaze]

Kattaze I'd rather not lynch flay today. He is a hige candidate for tomorrow.

I'd rather not too, but only because I see more of a case against jon.

[rmpeacoc]

Apologies for not posting in a while, I've been quite busy.

VOICE OF MOD:

Oh, and lortaku has been prodded.

Can you warn us if you're thinking about getting a replacement, so we have the option to lynch instead?

I don't like this at all. It is so anti-town that I would almost call it a scum-slip. To me, it reads like this: "Please don't replace lortaku because we are so close to lynching him and if we get a replacement we will lose this easy lynch and everything will be messed up while everyone gets a new read on the replacement". If Mr. Flay was town, why wouldn't he want a replacement? lortaku was pretty terrible and gave us all a lot of difficulty reading the slot because he was so lurky and when he actually posted his posts didn't have much substance. Why would you not want someone to breath new life into the slot to give town a chance to get a proper read of it. By trying to stop him being replaced Mr. Flay was trying to deny the town extra information that we could have used when deciding who to lynch. It is only in scum's interest to deprive the town of information and I think an IC would know that.

I disagree. Flay was saying here that he'd rather not get confused by a replacement. It's almost like people are scared to lynch someone when they are a replacement because they don't know if their original read is right or not, and then you get all skeptical. I think you're reading too far into this one.

Fortunately I still think Mutley seems scummy.

Tbh we need a flip. Looking at this game there's 3 people I think the game could get a lot if info from there flips. Me you and flay. I have you as much scummier than flay so I'd rather your flip

i think just about any flip would give us information...

Anyway we are certainly not lynching Flay. That's a really bad idea.

I still think we should lynch you.

I don't like the way you are ruling him out (I'm guessing it's because he's the IC). Why shouldn't we lynch Flay? Roles were given out randomly so it's not like he's any less likely than the rest of us to be scum. It's a bad way to play to rule certain people out of lynch contention. Basically means that they have a free pass/are immune to your scrutiny.

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I ruled him out for today since he's at least helpful, and I really haven't seen much scummy behavior coming from him. His thinking seems to be rational. The fact that you say roles are giving out randomly seems to imply that I somehow want a random lynch, which I don't. I still think Mutley is quite scummy.... we're not lynching Flay because at this point I don't think he's scum. A lot will be told about flay after a few lynches... he posts a lot of content that seems to at least have thought behind it.

[Mutleyddmc]

Someone should just hammer me, get a flip go for RM then flay possibly after that (I need info to solidfy my read on flay)

[rmpeacoc]

^^I hate these kinds of posts because here's the thing...

IF you are town and we lynch you its 8-2

There is likely a kill unless jk/doc gets lucky its 7-2

IF they listen to you and lynch me it's 6-2

Another likely kill and it's 5-2 and lylo. So yeah. Get your reads and out them. Don't try to pick the next lynch. I don't like it. At all.

[Kattaze]

Someone should just hammer me, get a flip go for RM then flay possibly after that (I need info to solidfy my read on flay)

If you are town why would you say that? Someone should certainly NOT hammer you if you're town, because then we lose a chance to lynch scum.

[Mutleyddmc]

Well there will be more info tomorrow. So they don't have to listen to me. conversation right now is hugely pointless. I'm not scum but you will get info from my flip so I am fine with going

[Kattaze]

I'd rather vote for someone I actually think is scum, hence my current vote. We'll get more info from his flip than yours anyway.

If it comes down to a no-lynch situation again then I would hammer you.

[Mutleyddmc]

I'd rather vote for someone I actually think is scum, hence my current vote. We'll get more info from his flip than yours anyway.

If it comes down to a no-lynch situation again then I would hammer you.

Thats fair enough and I agree. However theres not going to be a whole lot of great discussion, its basically day 1. So 2 lots of day 1 gets boring and discussion goes around and around