HunterxHunterxMafia: Yorknew City: Endgame

[Metal Sonic]

yeah so we know who died from vig shot

i mean the vigs arent going to claim their target, are they?

[ToastyToast]

@maxous: you are seriously bringing up my play day 1? Is that an attempt to gain u town cred or something. No one cares if you thought I was scum day 1, and the fact that you felt the need to rationalize the vote is sketch. Unnecessary.

[Metal Sonic]

^ true

[CarbonFiber]

I don't like the toasty wagon. I think it is more likely he is town. I feel that he is actually scumhunting and trying to figure out who scum are. Maxous's long justification for voting Toasty doesn't seem right either. I'd lynch Maxous as a first choice but if we are going to give him a pass because it is more optimal to let him live the night, I am not really sure, who to vote for.

~ F-16

[Dry-fit]

I have been back thinking on the Vi thing. How are we sure that she didn't / did use her role?

Vi claimed she used her power, and the fact that she did helped seal up the TNE lynch. This post does make you look more town though, as I don't think scum would have forgotten about how their partner was caught. Unless you're faking this.

The rest of my reasoning isn't smart to talk about, sooo.

Okay that's what I wanted to know.

Town-leaders would be Vi, Nacho, AM maayybbbeee Syry and Remillia

Syryana's cases have gone over like a lead balloon this game.

[Dry-fit]

I have been back thinking on the Vi thing. How are we sure that she didn't / did use her role?

Vi claimed she used her power, and the fact that she did helped seal up the TNE lynch. This post does make you look more town though, as I don't think scum would have forgotten about how their partner was caught. Unless you're faking this.

The rest of my reasoning isn't smart to talk about, sooo.

Okay that's what I wanted to know.

Town-leaders would be Vi, Nacho, AM maayybbbeee Syry and Remillia

Syryana's cases have gone over like a lead balloon this game.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't like the toasty wagon. I think it is more likely he is town. I feel that he is actually scumhunting and trying to figure out who scum are. Maxous's long justification for voting Toasty doesn't seem right either. I'd lynch Maxous as a first choice but if we are going to give him a pass because it is more optimal to let him live the night, I am not really sure, who to vote for.

~ F-16

Toasty's been due for death for a while now. Other, better targets might come up after the night is over and we massclaim tomorrow.

[CF Riot]

I haven't seen Kalimar do anything that made me think town. You can tell me why you disagree if you want.

yeah so we know who died from vig shot

Obviously I would own up to who I targeted tomorrow. I'm pretty much over it though, I'll call my shot if that's what the crowd wants.

[Dry-fit]

Obviously I would own up to who I targeted tomorrow. I'm pretty much over it though, I'll call my shot if that's what the crowd wants.

I don't really see any disadvantage to claiming it. The advantages of calling the shot before hand as I see it are that an investigative role won't waste their action on your target, and if you call out the name of your assassin buddy, they can claim and have you target someone else instead of having the awkward decision of whether or not to kill themselves during the night.

[Nachomamma8]

Coincidentally, I can't really see why there was a big deal made over this post - squared said hydrae were like masons, not that they actually were masons. Although I can see why the reaction over the subsequent reply to [hp] leaves was criticised, that isn't the impression I personally took from the post. I may be in a minority on this.

I liked his defense of the 2 hydra. There really wasn't a reason for him to take a position on them when he already had a reason for not liking them.

Nibelung's content seems okay to me so far especially compared against thenewearth or Gammagooey's fluff posts.

This is a strange interactions with two partners, don't you think?

I have slight pause over Syryana and Oversoul's fairly lengthy town lists. Perhaps it's because I only have tentative reads at best at this point.

This seems like a typical newtown thing to say.

What holds me back

[from voting Gammagooey]

is that there is pretty much no resistance to the lynch. Some people are softly commenting on why they're going elsewhere, but there's no real direct opposition. I'm not sure what to make of that.

All these people voting Metal Sonic and thenewearth without any reason NOT to vote Gammagooey aren't "resistance"? Come

on

now.

You seem to discredit the fact that there is a good case against them entirely as well as Gamma - as though any person who receives multiple votes is automatically a counterwagon made on bogus reasons. There are five scum. Are you implying that MS and TNE are both town?

You seem

certain

that Gammagooey is scum. You have lots of meta-experience with him. I am not and do not.

I liked this response. Normally when someone pegs a scumpartner, you don't try to bus a scumpartner while getting on said player's bad side.

Every mafia member who has died so far has called/alluded to Toasty town but not for any discernably good reason.
e.g. Gamma in #362, TNE in #572, hp in #1089. I feel at least a couple of these (hp's for sure, given Toast's lynch was looking very likely at the time) were for town-cred.

In Magua's #1126 he brought attention to this poor wagon on Metal Sonic - (4) Metal Sonic: AngstyMatters, ToastyToast, thenewearth, hp [leaves]

We know the latter two of these are members of the mafia. For Toasty to be scum too would mean three mafia members would be on a four-person wagon. Which is unlikely. The fact Magua even brought attention to that wagon makes me not want to vote him at the moment as well.

What Toasty says is a bit dodgy, but so is what MS says and MS is almost certainly town at this point - that four man wagon alone says enough.

I liked this defense of Toasty.

[Nachomamma8]

Hmmm... so nothing that points as CRAZY TOWN, but nothing that's alarmingly scummy either. So he'll die by PoE if things come to that but I would rather Maxous just get shot and we be done with it.

[Nachomamma8]

MAGUA
Talk to me. Why did you put yourself in the unprotected pool?

[Kalimar]

Town-leaders would be Vi, Nacho, AM maayybbbeee Syry and Remillia... Magua looks like he's trying I think, though of these, Magua would most likely be the scum based on the fact that we have pretty fucking strong town reads on the two obvious town leaders and Syry is my strong town read, and Remilia is Mala's strong town read.

the fact that Buldey/Ffery and Remembrance died before Vi did triggers weird vibes because, even both members of the 2 hydra are strong players, they weren't leading the game in the way Vi was and Remembrance could have easily stood as a distraction for later gaming.

what are you not following?

~Mara

I'd say Vi was the singular town leader. Things aren't moving very far or fast right now since Vi's death. I think once the massclaim happens we'll be able to get a bit more decisive.

Squared and Remembrance talked a lot and were townie-seeming - though with Remembrance his day two play was strong rather than his day one play. I don't think I would have voted for either of the two easily. With Vi being an obvious protection target I can see why Vi didn't die for a little while, too. Neither kill is abjectly strange to me although I'd have called a Nacho kill before a Remembrance kill.

Wouldn't call Syryana a town leader at all - if anything I'd say he's one of the most peripheral players. Magua's presence has gradually increased over time, and I think he's probably town but it isn't a strong read. Wouldn't really call him a 'leader' though, as it is right now.

I think this type of paranoia is best served a little later in the game. If we're on a streak of mislynches with certain strongly townie seeming people staying alive beyond their means, then I think it'd be justified, but we're not there yet by any means.

[Magua]

MAGUA
Talk to me. Why did you put yourself in the unprotected pool?

All part of my master scumplan.

Strike me down and I become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

Because I'd prefer to get shot than play in this game.

No reason.

[ToastyToast]

MAGUA
Talk to me. Why did you put yourself in the unprotected pool?

All part of my master scumplan.

Strike me down and I become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

Because I'd prefer to get shot than play in this game.

No reason.

This is bad and you should feel bad.

[Magua]

This is bad and you should feel bad.

Oh, no, do, please, go on and enlighten me about exactly why it's bad.

[Nachomamma8]

This is bad and you should feel bad.

Oh, no, do, please, go on and enlighten me about exactly why it's bad.

Because I'm guessing your mind doesn't work like "wheee I shouldn't be protected because Magua!".

[Metal Sonic]

MAGUA
Talk to me. Why did you put yourself in the unprotected pool?

All part of my master scumplan.

Strike me down and I become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

Because I'd prefer to get shot than play in this game.

No reason.

This is bad and you should feel bad.

[implosion]

we should really lynch someone :\. Vi dying kind of ate all the life out of this game.

[Nachomamma8]

shhh baby lemme work
who do you want to lynch?

[implosion]

aaaaaaaanyone.

[Nachomamma8]

please insert quarter and try again

[Nachomamma8]

But I'm still not convinced the best route is lynching someone else and giving Maxous another day. If CarbonFiber protects AM during the night, we WILL get an investigative report from him and he WILL NOT die, considering scum's roleblocker died D1. Giving CF free reign to shoot who he wants is way better than just having him shoot Maxous, and because we already have a claimed protective role, we seriously, seriously don't need 2 on AM. That's stupid.

And alternative perspective on this is that every role has a high correspondence to flavor. In that sense, Maxous' claim fits in because the lead bodyguard only bodyguards during the whole arc. So in that sense, while it is not as different as some of the others, it makes sense.

Owl as a jailkeep made sense with flavor too. But the flavor connection was boring; all of the other flavor connections hito have made have been interesting, and it would make a possible town tracker/town blocker a lot more effective if there was ONE scum left as opposed to two.

So I still think Maxous lynch is most definitely the way to go and I'm sad we moved away from it.

Vote: Maxous

[Metal Sonic]

???

just lynch the toast

i want cf to shoot someone

[implosion]

Convincing enough for me.

VOTE: Maxous