Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[TiphaineDeath]

Hey MS, you're on the wagon of a townie with two scumbuddies, figure it out man come join the zoid wagon.

[Varsoon]

Guys
Seriously
Why would roflcopter be scum
Varsoon is scum
HE FUCKING SAID HE WAS SCUM
And he's active lurking
He's posting elsewhere but not here
Like, seriously guys

TIP, I hope you're aware that this is my only active game.
So, you're kiiiinda full of shit.

[Varsoon]

NS made another good catch about Zoidberg scumslipping everywhere (in the case of assuming scum has a day-time QT).
I'll keep my vote on Zoid for those reasons.

TIP, could you provide a list of reads?
It'd help me a gauge you a lot better than just having to deal with you tunneling the shit out of your scumspec at the time and posting false accusations.

[Psyche]

NS made another good catch about Zoidberg scumslipping everywhere (in the case of assuming scum has a day-time QT).

No, that was bad. Even someone advocating Zoidberg's lynch explained why it was bad.

[TiphaineDeath]

lol varsoon has no other active games?

TIP SCUUUUUUUUUUUM .

[Psyche]

lol varsoon has no other active games?

TIP SCUUUUUUUUUUUM :D.

Explain why scum would choose to blatantly lie about a person to get them lynched when they are bound to get caught in that lie.

[Varsoon]

NS made another good catch about Zoidberg scumslipping everywhere (in the case of assuming scum has a day-time QT).

No, that was bad. Even someone advocating Zoidberg's lynch explained why it was bad.

@Psyche: I think that on its own, it wouldn't be bad, but the fact that he slipped and claimed three scum/multiball setup and then did the same with a daytime QT is pretty bad. Right now, it'd be a great flip, since if he flips scum, it confirms both of those things for town.

@TD: I think he's just trying to hype up my wagon, since it's not really going anywhere.

[TiphaineDeath]

Explain why town would lie, ever. Without using the word mistake.

[Varsoon]

lol varsoon has no other active games?

TIP SCUUUUUUUUUUUM .

Explain why scum would choose to blatantly lie about a person to get them lynched when they are bound to get caught in that lie.

Because scum is dumb.
If scum was genius, they'd never get caught.

I don't think stupidity is a town-tell.

[Psyche]

Explain why town would lie, ever. Without using the word mistake.

how about I just use the word "mistake" because that's almost certainly what happened, whatever tip's alliance

[Psyche]

lol varsoon has no other active games?

TIP SCUUUUUUUUUUUM :D.

Explain why scum would choose to blatantly lie about a person to get them lynched when they are bound to get caught in that lie.

Because scum is dumb.
If scum was genius, they'd never get caught.

I don't think stupidity is a town-tell.

I don't think stupidity works as a scumtell either, dude.

[Varsoon]

Explain why town would lie, ever. Without using the word mistake.

how about I just use the word "mistake" because that's almost certainly what happened, whatever tip's alliance

So, what happens when a player makes a mistake?
Do you just overlook it?

Honestly, I'm getting tired of TIP's tunneling of me, but it's really annoying when he's 'making mistakes' with false information. Or, oh, yeah, that's called lying.

[Zoidberg]

I'll self-hammer if you guys promise to lynch roflcopter and then TIP, in that order.

Or if there's a vig, TIP would be a primo target. He's the player scum keeps around because he's fucking awful and has no chance of actually finding scum.

[Psyche]

@Psyche: I think that on its own, it wouldn't be bad, but the fact that he slipped and claimed three scum/multiball setup and then did the same with a daytime QT is pretty bad. Right now, it'd be a great flip, since if he flips scum, it confirms both of those things for town.

I don't understand how you read these as scumslips. They are very obviously Zoidberg being hyperspeculative and making assumptions about this game based on his experience in past games. Period.

It's clear in Zoidberg's other, less controversial posts that he is overspeculative. The statements that you think of as scumtells are merely consequences of this character trait, not of his role.

[Psyche]

I'll self-hammer if you guys promise to lynch roflcopter and then TIP, in that order.

I tried this gambit in a recent game and it resulted in a scum win. Hush.

[Psyche]

Explain why town would lie, ever. Without using the word mistake.

how about I just use the word "mistake" because that's almost certainly what happened, whatever tip's alliance :roll:

So, what happens when a player makes a mistake?
Do you just overlook it?

You figure out the circumstances of the mistake and the determine if it is scummy.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of TIP's tunneling of me, but it's really annoying when he's 'making mistakes' with false information. Or, oh, yeah, that's called lying.

It's only called "lying" if it is done in an active attempt to deceive an audience. Getting tunneled on is part of the game and you need to get over it.

[Zoidberg]

It's clear in Zoidberg's other, less controversial posts that he is overspeculative. The statements that you think of as scumtells are merely consequences of this character trait, not of his role.

AngryPidgeon rubbed off on me.

[TiphaineDeath]

..... It's not a bloody mistake. To say that he has information on varsoon posting in other games he would have had to actually go and look at varsoons other games where he is posting. Given that he has obviously not done this, because they don't fugging exist, he's lied.

[Varsoon]

@Psyche: I really don't buy that it's just speculation. I'm trusting my gut on this one, Zoidberg is scum.
Also, you're not making much sense. It's only a lie if he's actively attempting to deceive an audience? Did you even read TIP's 333?
Because, hold on, he's pushing a lynch on me, and he says...

"And he's active lurking
He's posting elsewhere but not here
Like, seriously guys"

The first two lines are blatantly false. When I'm online, I post in this thread if there's unread posts. I also have no other active threads that I'm in. Unless the dude somehow knows me out of game and counts me posting on facebook as posting elsewhere...
The last line, though, confirms that he's 'actively attempting to deceive an audience', because he acknowledges the audience ('guys', in this case) and couples it with 'Like, seriously', which is a call to put more votes on me.
If that's not a deliberate lie coupled with an obvious entreat to put more votes on me, then, well, fuck me, I guess I can't even figure out basic rhetoric (nevermind that I hold a degree in the field).

Psyche, why are you so defensive of all these other players? You've spent more time defending players (even TIP, who you had a non-rvs-vote on earlier) then pushing good cases. Are you just trying to earn yourself some towncred?


P-EDIT: Zoidberg, the only way I'd believe you aren't scum is if you actually do good for town, scumhunt strongly, and give us scum-flips. Until then, you just seem like you're squirming.

[Desperado]

Psyche looks terrible here, even worse than TIP blatantly lying

[T S O]

Hey, can we please have a prod on rofl? He's one of the leading wagons based really on inactivity and no prod is slowing us down.

[Varsoon]

Hey, can we please have a prod on rofl? He's one of the leading wagons based really on inactivity and no prod is slowing us down.

This.

Please prod Rofl

[MonkeyMan576]

Rotflcopter posted yesterday. There is a 72 hour minimum requirement.

[Psyche]

Psyche looks terrible here, even worse than TIP blatantly lying

lol

[Psyche]

Okay, you guys vote for whoever you want.