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[Skullduggery]

Also, Dante's ISO bothers me. Here are all the posts that he has made in the entire game:

Spoiler:

Vote: Demon

I can see it.

Vote Count 1.1 - June 14, 2013 - With 21 alive, it requires 12 to lynch

TheIrishPope(4) - Who, Mr E Roll, Psyche, TiphaneDeath, Zoidberg

(L-8)

EddieFenix(2) - Boxxy, Skullduggery

(L-10)

Psyche - Rubicon
Demon - Zed17
Varsoon - BROseidon
Skullduggery - Desperado
Zoidberg - EddieFenix
Desperado - T S O
Not Voting(10): TheIrishPope, Varsoon, Penguin_Alien, Zed17, boxxy, Metal Sonic, Radioactive Wolf, roflcopter, Nobody Special, Dante

I voted Demon. Missing from count.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Roflcopter

lol

I think this needs some attention.

Dante. Reads. Now.

[TheIrishPope]

Meh, I just wanted a shitty excuse to call him out and get him to post more
A

scum

dayvig would confuse Town.

[Varsoon]

Here's the deal. You just asserted certain knowledge about a player's alliance. I need to know if that's just rhetoric/bullshit.

In most games, you'll never be 100% sure of someone's alignment/role when you lay your vote.
I can tell you, with 90% certainty that Zoidberg is scum.
If you don't like those odds, or don't want to trust me on this one, then be my guest, but this sort of opportunity to lynch scum on D1 doesn't happen often in large games.


@Zoidberg: I'm not soft-claiming, I'm just hoping people actually -read- what I'm posting before they spout nonsense and slam votes that get town nowhere.
As far as 2 hours not being a long enough time for a pressure vote to sink in--when the player is online, in the thread, and doesn't respond to your vote within the first hour, it's a pretty good sign it didn't phase them. Given the fact that Zed didn't immediately scramble when he saw that puts him as town for me.
Also, what the fuck is your accusation in the first place? That my pressure was weak? No shit, I'm only one player. Anyone can say pressure is weak in retrospect. I'm not going to just let my vote hang in the air and do nothing. Keep trying to build a case out of how you can't understand my methods, and they are, therefore, scummy. It makes sense to, given that I found your scum-self immediately and I'm exposing you as hard as I can. It's in your survivalistic instinct to eliminate me because I'm an outspoken threat to your continued scummy survival. Now, please, continue ask me to get on your roflcopter wagon, or suggest I'm his buddy (protip: I'm not).


@Skull: You're probably the most pro-town player here, so understand why I'd be a little skeptical of you. Regardless, you make a good case against Dante. Since I, apparently, suck at pressuring people, what do you suggest gets done about it?

[Varsoon]

Meh, I just wanted a shitty excuse to call him out and get him to post more
A

scum

dayvig would confuse Town.

Not as much as a town dayvig would confuse scum.

Your shitflinging isn't amusing. Please do actual work.

Did you ever provide reads?

[Psyche]

In most games, you'll never be 100% sure of someone's alignment/role when you lay your vote.
I can tell you, with 90% certainty that Zoidberg is scum.
If you don't like those odds, or don't want to trust me on this one, then be my guest, but this sort of opportunity to lynch scum on D1 doesn't happen often in large games.

I'm going to be clear. Your case on Zoidberg really sucks. If your 90% certainty about Zoid comes from the case you have presented to me, I will be pissed with you because that case really is bad and everyone on the wagon has repeatedly declined to engage with me to explain why I should think otherwise (including and especially NS).

I am assuming that you have special knowledge that I don't. I'm more suspicious of you than before because you refuse to be straightforward about it even though it is obvious to every player here. But I am going to

vote Ziodberg

.

[TheIrishPope]

But why why why would a town dayvig shoot BRO?
TD is scum for the exchange we had a while back
Skull is reasonably Town

[Psyche]

why would a town dayvig shoot BRO

Because the town thought he was scummy.

Does this really matter right now on D1?

[Varsoon]

But why why why would a town dayvig shoot BRO?
TD is scum for the exchange we had a while back
Skull is reasonably Town

Psyche answered your first one.
Dayvig is most powerful if it shoots when it's alive.
The Dayvig, regardless of who it is, probably wanted to get in a shot before shit hit the fan.
But that's just speculation.


What out of your exchange makes TD scummy?


Oh, there's also like 18 other players to read.


@Psyche: Tonight, I promise, I'll build you a monster case on him, okay? For now, though, I've got house guests, so I'll be hopping off the computer.

[TheIrishPope]

wut.....


I-don't-even.



There are not words....



Just none....



Leaving now before TIP atrophies my brain via prolonged exposure.

Ok, desperado can be a TIP buddy XD. In what world is that cogent? Seriously man, look at that again and open your eyes Z_Z.

As far as I'm concerned a zoidberg scumflip confirms multiball.

Silly posts like these let me know he is scum.

[Varsoon]

This is actually pretty run-of-the-mill for TD.

As far as you quoting 288, I actually agree with TD here.

Anyways, gonna make my Zoidberg case and articulate it fully so we can lynch this scum.

[TiphaineDeath]

Telling you that your post makes no sense.... repeating myself.... and using logic to speculate on the game setup... makes you think I'm scum?

TIP may just be a VI X_x.

[Skullduggery]

Meh, I just wanted a shitty excuse to call him out and get him to post more

So instead of supporting your case on Varsoon with legitimate reasons, you decided to just...make shit up instead? See, this is the kind of thing that makes me want to not listen to anything you try to say for any reason, ever.

A scum dayvig would confuse Town.

Okay, see, that's not what you said, though. You were pretty clearly saying that a Town player would shoot BRO to cause confusion. Or no, wait, am I "misrepping" you again?

@Skull: You're probably the most pro-town player here, so understand why I'd be a little skeptical of you.

Sorry, but I don't understand. Why would you be skeptical of a player if you feel that they're the most pro-Town person here?

Regardless, you make a good case against Dante. Since I, apparently, suck at pressuring people, what do you suggest gets done about it?

Yell at him until he either starts playing the game or replaces out.

Also, I wouldn't say that I've "made a case" on Dante yet -- just pointed out that he's coasting like a mofo. There's nothing to make a case on yet since he hasn't produced any content.

[Varsoon]

Telling you that your post makes no sense.... repeating myself.... and using logic to speculate on the game setup... makes you think I'm scum?

TIP may just be a VI X_x.

It certainly reminds me of my play in our last game.

Still working on my case. It's looking good.

[Varsoon]

@Skull: In regards to the first quote--I'm a bit of a paranoid player, and I just don't trust people that capture my heart and seem ineffably town. I've always got some doubt and suspicion in me. Regardless, I like the work you're doing, and I wish there was more of it in this game.
To the second quote--When I write that you make a good case, I mean that you bring up a good point that could have been easily overlooked. The case so far is that Dante seems to be coasting, and it definitely seems to be true. In the feverish environment we currently have, it's easy for scum to do. His lack of content speaks towards his involvement with the game moreso than alignment, I will admit, but even if there's only a little there, it should be looked at. Quality is far more important than quantity in this game, and it seems like Dante doesn't have a good deal of either. Regardless, it's not enough to merit a vote, but it's worth pointing out. It's anti-town to stay quiet, I feel.

I guess I've just had a poor streak of not being able to get people to respond to me when I want to talk to them or get them in the game. Do you bold/uppercase/large font stuff? Does that even help? I guess if we drop the name Dante enough, he'll catch it and realize he should probably post.

[Zoidberg]

So, to recap:

Psyche coasts through the thread without committing to a wagon under cover of his "experiment" while he buddies me all thread, defends/chainsaws me all thread, admits the case on me is nothing, and then votes me. scum.

I'm still going back and forth on TIPscum for ~reasons~.

Varsoon is either scum or overconfident town who can't read me even remotely. Can't decide which but if he's town and I get lynched, I expect an apology for his terrible reads after the game.

Roflcopter also scum for reasons previously mentioned. I predict he'll show up just before he's due to be prodded, lay down an unsupported vote, dodge all the questions directed at him, and yet you sheep will continue to follow varsoon onto my wagon for no good reason.

Good job town. You guys are doing great.

[T S O]

You seem rather bitter. What say we creep on into Psyche's house during the night and brutally murder him?

But you'll probably be swinging...

[Varsoon]

"So, to recap:

Everyone voting me is stupid and wrong/scum."


Not very eloquent when you break down.
Honestly, though, I've spent the last hour or so breaking down your posts one-by-one. I think I've got a decent case on you, but it'll be up for the other players to decide if it is worth putting the votes down and seeing what you flip.

[Varsoon]

TSO, what are you implying with that post?

[Psyche]

Psyche coasts through the thread without committing to a wagon under cover of his "experiment" while he buddies me all thread, defends/chainsaws me all thread, admits the case on me is nothing, and then votes me. scum.

It's really amazing how easy it is to pull crap out of thin air. Don't get me wrong — everything you've said I've done, I've done. I just think it's really cool that just by wording the description of what I've done in the right way, you can produce a multipoint case against me in one sentence. The case is bullshit, though, since I'm town, but that's what makes it so interesting. My completely town-motivated meanderings, interpreted in the most scummy way possible.

But back to business.

I voted for you because Varsoons has told me that he nearly certain that you are scum, effectively softclaiming cop or something or other. So if this wagon goes all the way and you get lynched, I'll just lynch Varsoons if you flip town. If you flip scum, I'll stay suspicious of him because multiball is possible, but yea. I don't see how this approach isn't optimal. I could pressure Varsoons more to claim, but I don't think that's necessary at this point.

If it becomes clear that Varsoons is just really confident about his bad case, then I'll unvote you and probably vote NS since my interactions with him suggest that he's scum.

I truly think you would do something similar in my situation.

[Psyche]

"So, to recap:

Everyone voting me is stupid and wrong/scum."


Not very eloquent when you break down.
Honestly, though, I've spent the last hour or so breaking down your posts one-by-one. I think I've got a decent case on you, but it'll be up for the other players to decide if it is worth putting the votes down and seeing what you flip.

unvote
vote NS

Carry on.

[T S O]

TSO, what are you implying with that post?

That I'm trolling, probably.

[Varsoon]

TSO, what are you implying with that post?

That I'm trolling, probably.

Please don't. Zoid's 'trolling' is already annoying enough.


@Psyche: Fair enough, man. Wait until I post my mc-huge-case on Zoidberg, and if you don't like it, I don't blame you.
Also, you're right, I do have access to more information than a Vanilla Townie, but I don't like my cases being wholly reliant on information only available to myself, if that makes any sense.

[Psyche]

New strategy is to wait for Varsoon's case, and then let Zoidberg defend himself since god forbid chainsawing scummy oh myyy.

Sometimes I have this feeling that I don't want to work hard and do great things.
Sometimes I have this feeling that what I really desire is to just have pointless fun with really cool people and not care about scientific, moral, political, whatevercal progress.
I don't know how to deal with this feel...

[Varsoon]

I'm currently on Zoid's post 303, which is a little over half-way deep.
Ugh.
I guess good things are worth doing all the way through.

You've got to do the things you want to do. Live your life to your own standards, and fulfill your own goals. Don't let anyone else tell you how to run your own race. This great thing before you is your life. How you seize it, where it takes you, and how you interpret that is all, ultimately, up to you.

[Varsoon]

This took me three and a half hours to do. Respect it, please.

Here's the TL;DR, upfront.

WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE ZOIDBERG:

He's rude, lying, opportunistic, anxious, fence-sitting, most of his plays are OMGUSes and entreats to hop on his poorly-articulated wagon, he's likely scumslipped about a 3-player multi-ball setup with a daytime QT, and he likely has a powerful one-shot scum ability.

As of this ISO, Zoidberg has made 69 posts;
Most of these are anti-town, but this is what I tend to see as town, null, and anti-town:
Anti-town posts (deflating pressure, cynical/survivalistic play, fence-sitting, dodging questions, subverting wagons, opportunistic voting, fractured logic, scumslips, tunneling with lack of pro-town content being produced, negatively portraying other players, generally being a jerk to fellow players, etc)
Null posts (explaining methods, reiterations, setup speculation, meta-circlejerking, jokes, nonsense, etc. )
Pro-town posts (pressuring players who do anti-town things, asking questions that produce helpful material for all of town, making reads based off of trajectory and logic, etc)


Here you go:

14: A true RVS vote. NS has done nothing so far in the game.
26: It's doubtful that Zoidberg is being anything but rhetorical here. Instead, it seems a lot more like he's deflating Psyche's pressure by calling attention to the idea that vote-hopping might not be indicative of alignment. TD and Psyche take this seriously, but Zoidberg doesn't contribute to this conversation.
60: Votes for TIP, which is largely opportunistic, as TIP has just gotten 3 votes put on him in half-a-page's-space.
61: Reiterates that this is a serious vote, as opposed to his earlier RVS vote. Who goes on to explain why this is scummy in 65. What's captivating is that TIP wants TD to explain his vote, but doesn't ask the same of Zoidberg. Zoidberg never explains his vote in 60, despite the discussion it spawned.
125: Zoidberg asks Who why Who hasn't voted him since Who finds his post 60/61 scummy, despite Who fully explaining this in post 83. It's clear that Zoidberg is trying to portray Who is a negative fashion, but hasn't been paying very much attention to the thread. This is especially obvious because he clumps Who on his scumteam. What's really important about this post is that he calls a 3-man scumteam, which, since this is a closed setup with 21 players, is extremely awkward. Most scum-teams are 1/4 of the players, so, in this case, we'd expect 5 or 6 scum--unless we were in a setup with two teams of 3 scum, which is better known as Multiball. Zoid calls a 3-man team despite there being no setup speculation or previous entries on Zoidberg's own part that hint towards him thinking this would be a multiball setup. In this very post, he doesn't even elaborate that he thinks it is a multiball setup, but simply posts that he thinks there's a 3-scum team, which seems like a very poor slip on his part.
126: Setup speculation that speaks towards him thinking there could easily be more than 3 scum, which supports the earlier multiball-related slip (although not by much).
131: Discredits NS as a useless D1 player, using meta to explain why.
132: Explains that NS was town in that game, which might be a slight nudge at him thinking NS is town in this game, but that's just speculation on my end.
133: Finally responds to a vote on him by starting his (still ongoing) tunnel of Roflcopter. Is condescending and doesn't ask any pro-town questions here. Only OMGUS.
136: Tries to take the fire off his back by reiterating to Mr E Roll that he is town, but doesn't give any good reasons for why he is actually town, just says no one will give reasons for why he is scum.
146: Walks away from his earlier 'scumteam guess' by explaining it as trolling. This pings on my radar for a variety of reasons, mostly because trolls are anti-town. More than that, though? He's trying to distance himself from calling only 3 scum, and explain it off as a troll. It's as if he realized that he just softclaimed knowledge of a multiball setup (something only scum would know at this point) and was trying to laugh it off as a 'troll'. He also says he's trying to pressure TIP, while simultaneously writing TIP off as newb-town, and he fence-sits on the roflcopter issue.
147: Even more damage control here. If 125 wasn't a multiball softclaim--this definitely is. NO ONE at this point is giving Zoidberg trouble about his called scum-team, yet he's obsessing over it so much he makes back-to-back posts to explain it away. It seems like a very scum-paranoid thing to say, and I can't find the town motivation in it. ONLY TIP said that the scum-team guess was stupid, but Zoidberg's going above and beyond to be defensive about it.
150: Completely discredits any work TIP has been doing, and goes on to WIFOM about it for awhile in what's probably his biggest, most ironic post so far. He gives TIP a lot of shit for poor articulation on votes, despite Zoidberg's own plays so far.
153: Asks TSO what he thinks of his current two scum-suspects. However, this comes off as fence-sitting, since he hasn't really gone balls-deep on either of them and seems to be gauging who people don't like more. He could have asked TSO anything to further the game, but this post reeks of cynical and opportunistic play.
157: More discrediting of TIP. Doesn't have to explain his own scummy actions unless TIP writes something that makes him want to explain his own scummy actions? What bullshit. He's just scumslipping left and right and because TIP isn't articulating a hard case on him, he's lording it over the dude while devaluing his voice.
158: More discrediting, strawman, bastardizing arguments against TIP. Do you not see the problem with this? TIP asked him to explain the town motivation behind his plays so far, to which he explodes, discredits TIP as much as possible, and doesn't explain anything. This sort of play is highly anti-town and OMGUS-reeking.
161: More of the same TIP discrediting/tunneling/bullshit.
163: Setup speculation, but worth turning an eye to because it establishes that Zoidberg is familiar with games on this site, and even with the common fake-claims given to scum. Since Zoidberg is familiar with games on this site, his earlier multi-ball slip is all that more obvious, since it's not mere speculation, but him asserting that there is a three-man scumteam, and, ergo, a multiball setup. Since this is knowledge only scum would have for sure, it's a scum-slip, rather than null-speculation. Couple that with his insecurities about his slip earlier, and it's easy to see how scummy of a slip it was and how AWARE of it Zoidberg is.
164: Calls for more tunneling, furthers the fence up his ass.
166: Is trying to negotiate himself as town. It's likely that, at this point, he's bussing roflcopter in order to earn towncred. Regardless, this play is entirely cynical, as he's not hunting scum, but simply playing survivalistically.
175: Setting up lynches, trying to make himself a town authority, etc. His case against roflcopter isn't bad, but it doesn't make him any less scummy.
177: Even more discrediting of TIP. Notice that he never makes a case against either, but just says they should be voted because they have poorly articulated cases against him.
179: Pressures Roflcopter for an explanation of his vote, which seems like a town thing to do, but, given the work he's put in so far, this reads as buddying (with MREROLL) and OMGUS play.
201: Trying to put the coffin over TIP's still-breathing head. What a rude dude.
203: Relies on meta to further kick TIP when he's down. It's obvious that TIP isn't going to articulate a huge wall-scroll of why Zoidberg is scum so far.
215: Null.
216: Same as 179.
218: Calls BRO out for being scummy, but doesn't do too good of a reason explaining why. As we all know, BRO flipped town, so Zoidberg was off on this mark.
225: More TIP tunneling.
227: More TIP tunneling.
229: More TIP tunneling. I actually like this series of questions, and it'd be pretty good if Zoid hadn't fence-sat between TIP and Roflcopter all game and spent forever tunneling one or the other.
237: Noticing that the TIP wagon isn't gaining any kinetic force, he decides here to swap to Roflcopter. While his explanation for tunneling TIP is all good and such, it doesn't explain his calls for votes on the guy. What if TIP got lynched for an early day lynch? Zoid wouldn't have to play this "well I was pressuring the noob cus they are hard to read" hand.
269: Fucks up his quote of TD's 258 argument because he was just anxious as hell to bust out his "BUT GUYS I WAS JUST TROLLING" counterpoint. What a farce.
270: Null. Couldn't even preview to get his quotes right, was too quick to try to shut down TD's accusation with his flimsy 'trolling' defense.
280: More irony. Zoidberg gives TIP shit for not building cases, despite the fact Zoid hasn't built a single case yet. He's just played reactively and constantly disenfranchised/OMGUS'd players.
303: Re-caps his wagon. Survivalistic? Check. Cynical? Check. Is doing pro-town work outside of OMGUS'ing? No? Oh, man, Zoid, it's amazing to watch you chase your tail. He's also painting his setup speculation as a response to MS's 114, but the post I have an issue with is the multi-ball soft-claim in 125--not the speculation he had in 126. He's tripping all over himself trying to cover every base he made when he 'trollingly speculated' things about the game. His case on Roflcopter here, though? Terrible. It's filling in the blanks between one point to the next, and making assumptions as to why rofl put an empty vote on him. It's a terrible OMGUS for all the wrong reasons.
304: More of the TIP tunneling sort of action as before, but pointed towards roflcopter.
305: More speculation/lynch-ordering. It's just not that cool, and he doesn't articulate -why- TD would be rofl's partner.
309: A lot of Zoid's posts are like this one from here out. They're largely pulling away from attention in other areas and begging for it in his OMGUS-ridden wagon. It's buddying and cynical, and he doesn't have to do any work, just ask other players what they think until they come up with a plausible case that he can latch on to. From here on out, I'll just flag these posts as 'Zoidberging'. They're usually along the lines of "Hey, vote for roflcopter, please."
314: Zoidberging
317: Zoidberging. To be fair, this is the first worth-while conversation Zoid's had with another player. Too bad it's to support his weak OMGUS maybe-a-bus wagon.
318: Zoidberging
323: Zoidberging. It's also worth noting that he slips here as well, mentioning that Psyche has probably escaped to a QT for help. Except most QTs are only open for scum at night. The fact that he's put this forward, combined with his slip and anxiety from earlier? It can't be a coincidence. He clearly knows this is a multiball, Daytime-QT setup and Zoid flipping scum would confirm it for town, which would be awesome.
326: Zoidberg, always on the defensive, explains that his last large theme game had a daytime QT, so this one could as well. Sure--base everything in this game off of the single other game you played. Or, you know, Zoid actually just slipped.
327: Zoidberging
362: Zoidberging. Also setting up lynches, etc. Also calls a Vig before the shot. Durhurdurhur.
366: Seems like more use of a meta-defense. I hate the thing.
381: Zoidberging.
383: More Vig talk, which is -reaaaaally- strange in retrospect, but I don't know what to make of it. He's committing to nothing here other than his usual "TIP is a shit player" approach.
384: Zoidberging
419: More TIP bashing, Vig speculation, and general zoiberg nonsense.
420

BLAZE IT YOLO

: Zoidberging, doesn't even refer to the 'question' that rofl hasn't answered.

At this point, BRO gets dayvig'd. Weird, considering how much Zoid was mouthing off about a vig shot. You know who would have KNOWLEDGE OF A PLAYER WHO MIGHT HAVE VIG POWERS? Lemme give you a hint--not town. That player would also be aware that we're in a multiball setup with three scum on each team and a daytime QT--it'd be REALLY strange if he slipped and people caught him. It's okay, everyone can write it off as speculation, trolling, and nonsense, right?

423: Anxious much?
434: Zoidberging
463: Zoidberging
468: Lies, since active lurking implies Zoid is aware he is posting elsewhere. Zoid also doesn't share what questions are being dodged. I admit, roflcopter's activity sucks, but Zoidbergs is far worse. Quality, not quantity, my friends.
470: This is unsettling to me. It's like he's sure he'll live to the next day. This is why I want the Zoidberg lynch more than anything. He's ALL ABOUT lynching out rofl, as if that'll change town's mind on him, and doesn't care what happens to him on Day 2. This leads me to believe he has a strong one-shot power he wants to use tonight. This means

we have to lynch zoidberg today.

It's too big a risk to make any other lynch, especially given the sort of info Zoidberg has been dropping.
477: "If I was a strong scum PR--don't you think I wouldn't bluff so hard and play so wrecklessly to appear town?" I'm not buying it.
498: Rude dude badge of face-spitting awarded.
511: Zoidberging. Also calls my reads shitty, living up to his rude-dude-tude.
521: "HARD CLAIM FOR ME SO I CAN KNOW IF I NEED TO NIGHT KILL YOU." Hard PR claims are almost never pro-town. I think I'll keep my cards tipped, thank you.
523: "Whoever I can OMGUS the hardest is the scumteam" Seriously, this sort of thing has been classic zoidberg all game.