NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[Nero]

that bandwagon built up quickly.

[Nero]

say, how many mafia would be in a 24 player game?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

The Shadi wagon is a shoddy contraption built on lies and weakness to deflect us from the path to peace.

Your mother never loved you

[Serene]

Our mother loves all, she is the centerpiece of unity.

Without her love, nothing would flourish

Without her love, everything would stray from the true path.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

mockingbirds fart in your direction

[Serene]

say, how many mafia would be in a 24 player game?

Enough that we should start lynching them instead of asking that which will not be answered.

[Rift Adrift]

I thought he was town because his buddying with ffreyllt of Rift Adrift felt alienating, so I figured that he probably wouldn't want to do that as scum.
Maybe I'm just crazy.

Felt alienating?

Also, he absolutely needs to buddy me, or endure me buddying him or I will become paranoid as fuck instead of just moderately paranoid.

In the last game Nacho and I played (which ended about the time this game started) I was a hydra with buldermar. I and a couple other players (orcinus who had to replace out, and Human Destroyer) all thought he was scum almost from the start of that game. Although I was able to firm up my read for myself/buldermar I did not get enough traction to get him lynched. I put him on the back burner and went after his scumbuddy (mastin2 as it happens) instead.

Nacho got off to a bad start in that game or I probably wouldn't have spotted him so early.

I don't think he'll let that happen again.

In this game, he's doing all the right things to make me feel warm and fuzzy about him being town and putting together a town core and stuff. But I know that he knows those are the things to do now.

Also, town reads do not automatically a town core make. It could be lack of time to make that happen.

The game I am talking about: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28645

[Rift Adrift]

Ooh how could I forget???? Syr also spotted him as scum in that game. Hard to believe we couldn't scrounge up 5 votes

[Zdenek]

Rift,

Also, he absolutely needs to buddy me, or endure me buddying him or I will become paranoid as fuck instead of just moderately paranoid.

Calcifer has entered the thread-not as an uninformed townie-but as one who knows more.

That burden comes through in his post, and he speaks like someone with a plan.

doesn't worry you?

[dramonic]

What Serene meant is probably 6

[Zdenek]

What Serene meant is probably 6

?

[dramonic]

say, how many mafia would be in a 24 player game?

Enough that we should start lynching them instead of asking that which will not be answered.

[Rift Adrift]

Rift,

Also, he absolutely needs to buddy me, or endure me buddying him or I will become paranoid as fuck instead of just moderately paranoid.

Calcifer has entered the thread-not as an uninformed townie-but as one who knows more.

That burden comes through in his post, and he speaks like someone with a plan.

doesn't worry you?

Yes and no. Town players make plans too. Or some do. Something on the order of figure out who is scum and lynch them, while figuring out who is town so you can work with them to identify other town and find other scum. If he's town, his plans and the Rift plans (such as they are) will have a lot of points of intersection. If he's not town, then our plans will still have points of intersection, but he will be looking for potential chasms and weak spots in town's infrastructure.

[DOMO]

Sorry to do this at short notice, I'm V/LA until monday, short break with the family.

-rev

[Shadi1337]

Granted, I kinda forgot I gave a read on Krab and therefore stated I didn't give any reads so I'm guilty as charged there and contradicted myself. Reason for the read in case anybody cares; He stood out extremely town to me in this game because if you look at the Maestro newbie newbie game he was being quite aggressive while he's more careful and gives more time to his posts and reads.

You give a "more or less" townread
You say you don't give reads.
You say you only posted the read because he was extremely towny

That's just not right...

Built up?? That's bs...

Let me summarise what happened:


>I gave a read on Krab later on forgetting I did so
>I said: I didn't give any readS
>I gave a somewhat read as it was back then
>My read built up by Krab continuing his town behaviour
>I say the read is now stronger

Why is that bullshit?

Hey people, town can't forget anything; did you know?
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Also where did I say I posted the read BECAUSE I thought he was extremely townish? I might have missed something but I just looked up my own ISO and didn't find anything. Also if you look at 261 after I, myself, asked for some explanations in 260 I always welcomed questions. If you notice what happens to the tryhards, they get the "herpderp u try too hard to look townie right now" for giving a full reads list or a reads list after looking "scummy".

[Shadi1337]

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

[PeregrineV]

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(as of Post 740)

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- Ankamius, ProHawk, Brian Hollywood

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- Calcifer, Rift Adrift

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- StevieT92, DOMO

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- Doc Holliday

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- BulbaFenix

Mac (1)

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- KingCrabd

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- TMTOLBTWNTOF

Calcifer (1)

- Serene

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- Metal Sonic, Shadi1337

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch

Deadline:

Wednesday, July 3, 2013 at 3pm Central Time.

Replacing:

No one

Prods:

BROseidon
Doc Holliday

V/LAs:

DOMOJune 24

[Nero]

What Serene meant is probably 6

thank you

[StubbsKVM]

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

you're not getting it.

You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.

That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.

I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.

You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.

[StubbsKVM]

EBWOP: "You telling him it was built up" ---> leave out the "him".

[KingCrabd]

Dear Orci: Your read on Shadi is wrong

Sincerely, Cabd

No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.

[Ankamius]

As someone who was in LoL mafia, I'm not really convinced about Dram-meta in that case. Most of his content in that game was more on the setup than actual reads and other things. Honestly, he might have done exactly the same thing he's doing here if LoL mafia didn't start off with something he had strong feelings against.

Yay tablet posting.

Yeah I noticed that there was a set-up argument on day 1 of the LoL game. I think the Gay II game is probably a better baseline for his town game. Did you look at the other two games? What are your thoughts on them?

I quickly breezed through his ISO and found that he played basically the same early on in both of them. I'm not really convinced by either.

Yeah, he posted less often in the scum game, but the post amounts that happened between his posts weren't really high for me to find that very telling. It looked like a relatively inactive game regardless.

I'd need much bigger specifics to really get a read off of meta either way. I don't really take meta tells to be very strong, and generally I find them to be null anyways. I don't bother.

[Shadi1337]

Oh, now I might understand wtf you meant.

I gave the reason for my read, not the reason as of why I posted it. Nobody questioned WHY I really saw him as town and why it kept building up.

you're not getting it.

You say you don't give reads-I prove you wrong by quoting your "more or less " town read on kingcrabd
Then you say the reason why you did post that read is because kingcrabd was "extremely towny" at that time.

That does not make sense because you posted "more or less". If you thought he was "extremely towny", you wouldn't have posted "more or less" towny. You telling him it was built up does not make sense either, because I'm talking about 1 post. Sure, it's possible your town read on him improved later, but you never mentioned that again.

I'm not saying people can't be wrong. But you're trying to defend yourself using a false argument.

You're piling up the contradictions and you keep defending them too.

Read my post again pls, not gonna repeat.
You say it's not possible that I got a stronger town read of him later, yet you say it is??

I'm not defending myself on a wrong argument, I told you I'm guilty as charged for forgetting that one read.

What I'm defending is that my read became different later, if you're gonna keep on your vote for that. Be an idiot, and be my guest being an idiot.

[Zdenek]

Dear Orci: Your read on Shadi is wrong

Sincerely, Cabd

No but seriously, this is his town meta, my goodness. It’s blindingly obvious. Go metadive him.

Explain yourself.

[BulbaFenix]

Ok! Haihai everyone! Fenix here. Bulba will be coming tomorrow and posting his catch up and reads list for everyone to view. For now though

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