Calvin and Hobbes Mafia(GAME OVER! Grownups Mafia Wins!)

[Psyche]

This just keeps getting better and better. ^_^

Okay, so Varsoon is fine. Not because of his claim, but despite it.

Let's focus on TIP-Zoidberg.

[Psyche]

unvote

I should note for posterity that I still think NS is scum.

[Zoidberg]

Tracer Bullet, Calvin's alter-ego

Yeah, I fakeclaimed. I'm actually Calvin as a Tiger.

I knew TIP was Tracer Bullet when he made his "we lynch zoidberg NOW" post. I tried to get him to hush once I realized what was going on:

We lynch Zoidberg
NOW

Hold that thought for a sec. Just hush. I know what I'm doing.

We lynch Zoidberg
NOW

I know what you are going to say. Just wait.

I also tried to get TIP not to fakeclaim, but I couldn't do it directly without outing TIP since I'd have to announce to scum that TIP was a power role:

Are you also claiming to be Tracer Bullet, Professional Snoop?

Because if you're going to do that, think about this:

Scum always are given safe fakeclaims. If I was fakeclaiming scum, I would have been given (and thus would have claimed) a role that doesn't collide with anyone.

So I want you to think very carefully about how you plan on weaseling out of this one.

Obviously my plan was flawed. Sorry TIP.

At this point, though, I'm ready to call TIP pretty much conftown based on his reaction D1. I very much doubt that Tracer Bullet is 3rd party.

[Zoidberg]

I also tried to get TIP not to

fakeclaim

Sorry, this ought to read "counterclaim"

[TheIrishPope]

I noticed. That's why I kept quiet. Hmm.

[Desperado]

are you fucking serious

[Psyche]

So...I need you to explain why you did that, and then fullclaim again.

[Desperado]

So...I need you to explain why you did that, and then fullclaim again.

[Mr E Roll]

Irish if you knew Zoidberg fake claimed why didnt you track him?

[Rubicon]

Varsoon, could you link me to some of your scum games?

@ Desperado -
Varsoon targets Skull, but is redirected to Radioactive Wolf. For all other game mechanic purposes, it should appear as though Varsoon targeted Radioactive Wolf. Therefore we should not be surprised that TIP says Varsoon targeted Radioactive Wolf.

[TheIrishPope]

I didn't know he fakeclaimed; there might be duplicates in this game
Varsoon was much better

[Zoidberg]

Nono; it's not that you used a night action, it's that you visited Radioactive. If you originally visited someone else, it would have said their name, not Radioactive's.

false

Mod: hypothetically, if there was a tracker, and the tracker's target was redirected from A to B, would the tracker's result show the target visiting A or B?

[Rubicon]

Irish if you knew Zoidberg fake claimed why didnt you track him?

^ this

[Desperado]

Yes I'm aware of how game mechanics work.

Now explain how this doesn't implicate Varsoon as Radioactive's killer.

[Skullduggery]

Yeah, maybe I'm just being dense, Zoidberg (and if I am, I fully expect you to give me the snarkiest of replies), but why fakeclaim Tracer Bullet in the first place? What was the problem with saying your real flavor name?

[Psyche]

I didn't know he fakeclaimed; there might be duplicates in this game
Varsoon was much better

Duplicates? Now that would be funny.

Seriously, Zoidberg. Explanation and fullclaim.

[Mr E Roll]

If you thought there were duplicates why did you want to lynch him immediately?

[Dante]

Still looks scummy from here...but if he didn't...does he bring that much to the hunt that we want to keep a miller?

[Varsoon]

@Zoid: I'm glad you're continuing to ignore when I explain things. Something you should probably not ignore is TIP's belated counter-claim.

@Skull: You are awesome, which is why I wanted to neighbor you. Also, as was explained before, it'd be pretty dumb for a scum-varsoon to try carrying out the NK for his team, given the heat on me at the end of D1. It's a lot more plausible that one of the scum-teams that made the radio-wolf NK also had my actions redirected to radio, so that in the case of a tracker following me, the case could be levied against me for a mislynch. I've also opened to the idea that TIP and I are both town and that there's definitely town motivation behind tracking me, and that it makes sense for town-TIP to also raise a case against me given the return on his track. Regardless, given that TIP has counter-claimed Zoidberg, I really don't see how we can't lynch at least one of the two today, given there's got to be scum between them.

P-EDIT:

@Zoidberg: You're absolutely lying. You've been caught again and now you're squirming very hard. I don't buy it for a minute. Why would town lie about their role? What do you have to gain? Also, how could you possibly know there was another tracer bullet in the game before you claimed?


@Desperado: I already explained why a trace on me would turn up that way. I did before traces were even mentioned. I did not know I was traced until TIP said he traced me.

@Rubicon: Coming up, gimme a sec.

[TheIrishPope]

Because it makes sense NOW, after I tracked Varsoon

[MonkeyMan576]

Any hypothetically redirected night action would show the redirected result.

[Psyche]

also found this on wiki

Mom-Lady has a "mind scrambling eyeball ray" that wills the victim to "do her nefarious bidding," and Baby Sitter Girl has a similar power of using a "psycho beam" which weakens "Stupendous Man's stupendous will"

so i speculate that Mom's the redirector and Baby Sitter's a RBer.

And that this game is packed with PRs.

[Desperado]

@Desperado: I already explained why a trace on me would turn up that way. I did before traces were even mentioned. I did not know I was traced until TIP said he traced me.

That's great, but as scum you have no choice BUT to explain why the track would turn up that way. If you hadn't been redirected, and Skull had died instead, and TIP still tracked you, you'd just be saying the same thing.

"I tried to neighborize Skull but he's dead now so if you tracked me to him that's why, and btw if you got a guilty on me it's because I'm a miller."

And claiming scum and then later saying that that was a breadcrumb to you being a miller is just...it's out there, man.

[Rubicon]

@Desperado: I already explained why a trace on me would turn up that way. I did before traces were even mentioned. I did not know I was traced until TIP said he traced me.

That's great, but as scum you have no choice BUT to explain why the track would turn up that way. If you hadn't been redirected, and Skull had died instead, and TIP still tracked you, you'd just be saying the same thing.

"I tried to neighborize Skull but he's dead now so if you tracked me to him that's why, and btw if you got a guilty on me it's because I'm a miller."

And claiming scum and then later saying that that was a breadcrumb to you being a miller is just...it's out there, man.

Why would Varsoon assume he'd been tracked? If he thought he was going to be tracked, why would he have done the kill in the first place?

[Zoidberg]

Question to everyone reading:

Are Varsoon's posts, absent his claims, scummy?

Yes. Lying is scummy. I asked multiple times, and finally asked: Yes or no, concrete proof that I am scum? to which he replied yes.

That is a lie, because I am town and therefore no such proof can possibly exist unless this game is bastard.

Breadcrumbing a role means 2 things: jack and shit. Anyone can breadcrumb a role: See State Farm Mafia where AP breadcrumbed 2 different fakeclaims in the same game.