Newbie 1390 -- Game Over

[Guyett]

post 205 linking to your meta for how to tell if you are town or scum... look back at my reads on Jason, It would be very easy for you to point out how you play as town and as scum, then play like you would as town despite being scum.

Cabd I also played scum in this game
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... m-Mafia-II
I replaced into it and played bodyguard

You're calling out Cabd for playing meta after you pull out your meta?

there is a difference, his one was unasked for and he was using it to show why he wasn't scum. The first time I posted mine it was a link to a game that I ran on a different forum, I wasn't defending myself or anything, just posting it if people wanted a rout around there. Last night Cabd was reading through 1 game that I played scum as there, I linked him to another and then linked him to my ISO's as the forum is a bit different there than here for bringing them up.
Not that it really mattered as in the first game I got found out when I claimed to be a miller and the mod accidentally worded the death story of the player who was actually miller to make it look like there was only 1. The other time one of my scumbuddies bussed all of us and won the game for us.

[Fegelein]

You guys seriously need to look at how opportunistic Dev is.

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on with Guyett and Cabd. I'd rather Cabd than Guy because Guy townslipped earlier on, and it's based on gut.

[Derivan]

You guys seriously need to look at how opportunistic Dev is.

Honestly, I have no idea what's going on with Guyett and Cabd. I'd rather Cabd than Guy because Guy townslipped earlier on, and it's based on gut.

Standard no proof accusation filler post, check.

How about you take more than five seconds and explain your 'gut' feeling/provide some real content.

[JasonWazza]

Post 89:
Darq-Light Scumread
Best- Lots of stuff said about him, but no actual read given
Derivan- Not a read either, just fluff
Garg- Town read
Jason- No actual read given
Cabd- “a bit of a Scumread”
Reg- No actual read other than “posts make sense”
Goodmorning- unexplained townread

This is the reason i left the note is this.

Darq - Hasn't really posted too much but has been online and seems to be lurking. I find this activity suspicious. I'd watch out for the quiet ones who sit back and let the others who may actually be townies tie themselves in knots heaping suspicions on themselves.
bestwillcui - Another lurker. I suspect one of the mafia will be one of our lurkers and another will probably be either the most active or the second most active poster who spends their rime dodging suspicion and my bus their partner as a technique to hide his/her scummyness.
Derivan - seems to be approaching this quite logically which I approve of. That being said I dont agree with the suspicions of Fegelein and Jason for trying to vote of the most experienced as a scummy move. Just because you have been around for a while doesnt make you a good player automatically. I think it was more voting for them to get a feeling on their reactions and then compare it to other games they've played.
TheGarantula - Another logical player. I would tend to agree with most of what you have posted. Getting a town read for the time being.
JasonWazza - getting very defensive is a bit of a red flag but I like this spat between Jason and Derivan
Cabd - Active until people called him up on his 'joke' and then disappeared for a few hours to think things over? Tbh I'm getting a bit of a scum read here. I agree with the bussing comment that someone made.
Fegelein - semi experienced player and your later non burnout related posts make sense.
goodmorning - getting a strong town read of goodmorning

Now if you read the reads post and compare it to what Cabd gives you'll find a few problems.

As much as the Best read is "Fluff" it's an implied light scum read, but nice avoiding that.

Derivan seems like more of a light town read that's implied.

My read, seems like an implied light scum read

I think Cabd is trying to make it seem like Guy's scummy when his not.

UNVOTE: Bestwillcui
VOTE: Cabd

[goodmorning]

There was nothing rage about my Iso, more merely showing that it is possible to do one in a few minutes, not over a week after promising to do one.

It's equally possible to put it off because ISOs suck.

Guy townslipped earlier on

Where was this again?

And oh, Deri. I think you and my vote may be having a little chat soon.

[ryhx]

there is a difference, his one was unasked for and he was using it to show why he wasn't scum. The first time I posted mine it was a link to a game that I ran on a different forum, I wasn't defending myself or anything, just posting it if people wanted a rout around there. Last night Cabd was reading through 1 game that I played scum as there, I linked him to another and then linked him to my ISO's as the forum is a bit different there than here for bringing them up.
Not that it really mattered as in the first game I got found out when I claimed to be a miller and the mod accidentally worded the death story of the player who was actually miller to make it look like there was only 1. The other time one of my scumbuddies bussed all of us and won the game for us.

Fair enough.

Darq - Hasn't really posted too much but has been online and seems to be lurking. I find this activity suspicious. I'd watch out for the quiet ones who sit back and let the others who may actually be townies tie themselves in knots heaping suspicions on themselves.
bestwillcui - Another lurker. I suspect one of the mafia will be one of our lurkers and another will probably be either the most active or the second most active poster who spends their rime dodging suspicion and my bus their partner as a technique to hide his/her scummyness.
Derivan - seems to be approaching this quite logically which I approve of. That being said I dont agree with the suspicions of Fegelein and Jason for trying to vote of the most experienced as a scummy move. Just because you have been around for a while doesnt make you a good player automatically. I think it was more voting for them to get a feeling on their reactions and then compare it to other games they've played.
TheGarantula - Another logical player. I would tend to agree with most of what you have posted. Getting a town read for the time being.
JasonWazza - getting very defensive is a bit of a red flag but I like this spat between Jason and Derivan
Cabd - Active until people called him up on his 'joke' and then disappeared for a few hours to think things over? Tbh I'm getting a bit of a scum read here. I agree with the bussing comment that someone made.
Fegelein - semi experienced player and your later non burnout related posts make sense.
goodmorning - getting a strong town read of goodmorning

Now if you read the reads post and compare it to what Cabd gives you'll find a few problems.

As much as the Best read is "Fluff" it's an implied light scum read, but nice avoiding that.

Derivan seems like more of a light town read that's implied.

My read, seems like an implied light scum read

I think Cabd is trying to make it seem like Guy's scummy when his not.

UNVOTE: Bestwillcui
VOTE: Cabd

I think you're being far too generous with Guyett's reads, I wouldn't consider any of those reads 'implied'. All those three reads basically said could be scummy could be town, not to mention the end of the whole read post. I would agree with Cabd's characterisation, he didn't misrepresent it.

UNVOTE: goodmorning

I need to reconsider

Fixed quote tag. Preview is your friend! ~~NS

[Cabd]

I'm pretty sure I just got out to L-1 so olease make sure not to derp hammer at least until I finish my stuff thanks

[TheGarantula]

Yeah, that's L-1.

@JasonWazza: What made you give up on the bestwillcui wagon? He hasn't done much of anything to redeem himself. Furthermore, Cabd has already stated his plans to post ISO's, so what is the added pressure hoping to accomplish in the meantime?

[Guyett]

@ryhx
I don't think I explained it very well in that post and the end does come off kind of wishy washy. As I've said I used it before and people didn't really understand it then either
Here it is in that game.
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... ost8231590

I will bring this up at the end of the game as I expect it to look very similar to what it is in that link.

I have clarified that I think both Cabd and Best are the scumiest so far. However I may have been tunneling on Best and some peoples opinions that his play seems newbtown could be true. I'd be willing to bet that only 1 from Cabd and Best is actually scum.... my money is on Cabd at the moment.

from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.
I have a light town read on Jason and an even lighter one on GM
Feg, Deri and Rhyx are all null. However from experience one of those 3 and possibly GM will prob turn out to be scum. We just have to wait until one hopefully gives us a scumtell

[goodmorning]

It's not L-1, it's a derpquote.

[Guyett]

@gar he has been promising ISO's and reads for weeks, given the amount of time it took to post my ones we might be waiting another week to get thos new ISO's

[Guyett]

It is L-1
GM, Deri, Me and JAson have voted for Cabd

[Cabd]

Get off your high horse man. Some of us have other things that take priority. No need to be in a rush to end the day. If you lynch me at the end of it so be it but ill be damned if I won't get to speak my cases.

[goodmorning]

Huh. I don't know that I like how sudden that was.

Vote: Deri

This is not a reprieve for Cabd, just a temporary move of vote to be a bit surer that he does indeed say what he's going to say.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.07

Cabd - 3 - Derivan, Guyett, JasonWazza
Derivan - 2 - Fegelein, goodmorning
Guyett - 2 - Cabd, bestwillcui
bestwillcui - 1 - TheGarantula

Not Voting: ryhx

Deadline: (expired on 2013-06-28 02:37:53)

V/LA: ...

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[ryhx]

Nobody Special, can we get the deadline updated in the OP please

Decided

VOTE: GUYETT

The OTT reaction to being ISO'd (halfway even, without much new information) screams panicked scum. Puts up an ISO that mostly restates what happens and has some specious reasoning to it thats really reaching.

post 292 asking for an extension due to the outage.... as GM pointed out she did this in another game while playing as scum
post 294 not a townslip.... covering for your scum buddy?
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs

1) Not an alignment tell. At all.
2) Already explained by cabd
2) 1 in 4 are shit odds and you're the one being disingeneous if you're supporting in as a good idea.

It's not L-1, it's a derpquote.

My bad. Is there some kind of vote scraper bot and will my derp quote screw it up?

[ryhx]

@ryhx
I don't think I explained it very well in that post and the end does come off kind of wishy washy. As I've said I used it before and people didn't really understand it then either
Here it is in that game.
http://www.footballforums.net/forums/sh ... ost8231590

I will bring this up at the end of the game as I expect it to look very similar to what it is in that link.

I have clarified that I think both Cabd and Best are the scumiest so far. However I may have been tunneling on Best and some peoples opinions that his play seems newbtown could be true. I'd be willing to bet that only 1 from Cabd and Best is actually scum.... my money is on Cabd at the moment.

from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.
I have a light town read on Jason and an even lighter one on GM
Feg, Deri and Rhyx are all null. However from experience one of those 3 and possibly GM will prob turn out to be scum. We just have to wait until one hopefully gives us a scumtell

Again, I don't have a problem with the assertion that the most suspicious people are not all scum (other than the circular nature of the statment). We're not perfect at scum hunting and if it were true, mafia would be a much more boring game. The point is youve used it to say nothing in your post.

[goodmorning]

It's not L-1, it's a derpquote.

My bad. Is there some kind of vote scraper bot and will my derp quote screw it up?

It wasn't actually your non-vote that made it L-1, and NS fixed it already. No, there isn't a "vote scraper bot," as you put it.

[TheGarantula]

post 292 asking for an extension due to the outage.... as GM pointed out she did this in another game while playing as scum
post 294 not a townslip.... covering for your scum buddy?
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs

1) Not an alignment tell. At all.
2) Already explained by cabd
2) 1 in 4 are shit odds and you're the one being disingeneous if you're supporting in as a good idea.

#2 is fairly interesting, seeing as Guyett skipped Cabd's post 299 which clarified. Like I said earlier, Guyett's whole ISO felt OMGUS-y, though he got defensive towards bestwillcui earlier as well, so I'm not sure if it is necessarily scummy since this is a newbie game.

Vote: Deri

This is not a reprieve for Cabd, just a temporary move of vote to be a bit surer that he does indeed say what he's going to say.

And oh, Deri. I think you and my vote may be having a little chat soon.

What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?

from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.

What happened to your town read on goodmorning? It seems to have vanished over the last few pages.

[Nobody Special]

Nobody Special, can we get the deadline updated in the OP please

Oops; fixed now.

[goodmorning]

What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?

Starting in 98 where I call him out for ridiculous assertions about RVS.
Now it has something to do with the way he seems to be hanging out outside game continuity with his posts, if that makes sense, and a little bit of lacking follow-up.

[Guyett]

Spoiler: gar post

post 292 asking for an extension due to the outage.... as GM pointed out she did this in another game while playing as scum
post 294 not a townslip.... covering for your scum buddy?
post 300 Eh scum dont know the exact setup but instead of a 1 in 6 guess they have a 1 in 2 guess of what set up it is. Those odds are nice for fake claiming a role via breadcrumbs

1) Not an alignment tell. At all.
2) Already explained by cabd
2) 1 in 4 are shit odds and you're the one being disingeneous if you're supporting in as a good idea.

#2 is fairly interesting, seeing as Guyett skipped Cabd's post 299 which clarified. Like I said earlier, Guyett's whole ISO felt OMGUS-y, though he got defensive towards bestwillcui earlier as well, so I'm not sure if it is necessarily scummy since this is a newbie game.

Vote: Deri

This is not a reprieve for Cabd, just a temporary move of vote to be a bit surer that he does indeed say what he's going to say.

And oh, Deri. I think you and my vote may be having a little chat soon.

What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?

from the other 6 players the only one that I'm relatively confident that is town is Gar.

What happened to your town read on goodmorning? It seems to have vanished over the last few pages.

it is just a gut feeling. she seems to be keeping her cards close to her chest which I find interesting.

[TheGarantula]

What made you suspect Derivan? Do you agree with Fegelein's assertions?

Starting in 98 where I call him out for ridiculous assertions about RVS.
Now it has something to do with the way he seems to be hanging out outside game continuity with his posts, if that makes sense, and a little bit of lacking follow-up.

Oh yea, I forgot about the posts way back when. (it feels like forever ago XD)
I'd agree that his earlier posts were odd, but I'd say he seems to be fairly concerned with scumhunting despite his relative inactivity. TBH, I don't quite understand what you mean by "outside game continuity," could you try to rephrase that?

[goodmorning]

Like he's not interacting with the game? More like an observer just commenting on it, if that makes sense?

[Cabd]

BTW i'm still here. I'm just at work at the moment. I'll get up the rest of guyett and the next one by tonight for sure.