Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Wisdom]

Grim is forth because the people earlier than him in the list are stronger scum reads for stronger reasons.

Yeah yeah tell me more.
You have stronger scumreads than Grim yet you challenge his team so you can vote him.

[StrangerCoug]

Basically a lot of Amrun-sheeping going on.

Yes blindly sheep the person who is thinking emotionally. I can't wait for you to explain this clearly logical move from a town POV.

You asked me to explain why the wagon on you was competing against the wagon on me. You did not ask for my reason in particular, and you did not ask me why I expected yours to compete against mine.

Sc, eh. I thought he was scum in Switchboard and I was wrong and hes doing similar things here.

I was killed in Switchboard Mafia for claiming to think it was role madness. I would think that would stand out in the memories of the people who played it, but you weren't scum in that game either and it's been almost a year.

[Majiffy]

So you believe I'm scum but decide to place your vote off my wagon?

Wisdom, I know you have moments of retardation, but this is pathetic.

Did you miss the part where I called you both scum?
Grimgroove is scummier.
But you're just as scummy for now completely withdrawing your scumread on him and pushing only Coug.

No, I didn't miss that. Sidelining your vote when there's a wagon on the

other

scumread doesn't make sense.
Why is Grim scummier?
Why am I scummier for no longer having a scumread on Grim, given that my scumread on Coug is stronger and I feel their interactions recently are not scum v scum?

Grim is forth because the people earlier than him in the list are stronger scum reads for stronger reasons.

Yeah yeah tell me more.
You have stronger scumreads than Grim yet you challenge his team so you can vote him.

Because I had a scumread on both players in that team. And the reason Coug is a stronger scumread came

after

the challenge.

Do you have a problem following a simple linear timeline?

Basically a lot of Amrun-sheeping going on.

Yes blindly sheep the person who is thinking emotionally. I can't wait for you to explain this clearly logical move from a town POV.

You asked me to explain why the wagon on you was competing against the wagon on me. You did not ask for my reason in particular, and you did not ask me why I expected yours to compete against mine.

Yes, I asked you to explain that. And you answered with "lol sheeping Amrun", which implies that

your

vote was sheeping Amrun. So now I am asking you to justify sheeping an emotionally charged, irrational vote blindly.

[Wisdom]

I don't get why I should care about wagons, no. I'll vote whoever is scummier to me, not to others.

[Majiffy]

So if you think;
Two people are scum, one is town
One scum and one town have competing wagons

You think the proper course of action is to sideline your vote and risk the townie getting lynched?

That's an interesting thought process, Wisdom.

[Haschel Cedricson]

The pool of players eligible to be lynched today consists of:

Majiffy
pirate mollie

Grimgroove
StrangerCoug

Here are the current votes:

StrangerCoug (6) - enomis, Venmar, Majiffy, pirate mollie, Grimgroove, Nobody Special
Grimgroove (4) - AngryPidgeon, Wisdom, Elyse, StrangerCoug
Majiffy (2) - Amrun, SafetyDance
pirate mollie (0) -

Not Voting (0) -

With 12 players alive, it will take 7 votes to lynch.

[Majiffy]

StrangerCoug (6) -

enomis

,

Venmar

,

Majiffy

,

pirate mollie

, Grimgroove, Nobody Special
Grimgroove (4) - AngryPidgeon, Wisdom, Elyse,

StrangerCoug

Majiffy (2) -

Amrun

,

SafetyDance

One of {AP/Elyse} scum, probably NS scum.

[Majiffy]

Oops forgot to color Wisdom green.

[Majiffy]

Wisdom;

Majiffy scumreads Grim to the extent of ignoring the town plan and just challenging Grim's team so that he can vote him.
Majiffy changes his vote to Coug because Coug is being wagoned and doesn't even care about his Grim scumread anymore. In fact, he puts him FOURTH on the list of who town should lynch.
You'd imagine that Grim would be mad at this and he would want to lynch Majiffy no matter what, but what happens? He calls Majiffy town and INTENDS TO HAMMER Coug, while we haven't even properly heard from 2 people.

This is not a hypothesis. This is what happened. Facts.

Lets add a few more facts.
Mollie is townreading me very strongly. I'm hard pressed to think of a time I was scum that she town read me in. So if we're assuming I'm scum, then we're going to have to lump Mollie in as scum as well. This means in your hypothetical above, I - scum - decided to make a 2v2 with 3 members of the scumteam, when there wasn't a lot of heat on really any of them, instead of something like letting AP and Venmar get into it, or let town decide on some arbitrary mislynch. So you think that I - as scum - decided to literally toss 3/4 of my team unnecessarily into the lynch pool when I had no need for it or any town cred.

If you believe that... You're seriously fucking demented. Vote Coug.

[Wisdom]

The more you tell me to unvote the one who you initiated this challenge for the more my vote won't go anywhere. It's just hypocritical.

And mollie gets false townreads all the time, it can happen.

[Majiffy]

On

me?

And fine, enjoy your shitvote Wisdom.

[Amrun]

I must say that thinking Majiffy challenged 3/4 of his scum team is pretty nonsensical.

[pirate mollie]

The more you tell me to unvote the one who you initiated this challenge for the more my vote won't go anywhere. It's just hypocritical.

And mollie gets false townreads all the time, it can happen.

there are 3 players on here that I can pretty much guarantee that I can read. majiffy is 1 of them.

there were extenuating circumstances in the gonzo game for me voting the way that I did. it resulted in me probably never playing with buldey again and it makes me sad cos I feel like I lost a friend.

[StrangerCoug]

Yes, I asked you to explain that. And you answered with "lol sheeping Amrun", which implies that

your

vote was sheeping Amrun. So now I am asking you to justify sheeping an emotionally charged, irrational vote blindly.

We had a lot of similar thinking about your challenge. I saw no reason to reject her thinking, especially not her emotions, which I think her legitimate. Agreeing with people is not scummy; it's what gives us progress in this game.

It's also funny that you're yelling at me for sheeping Amrun when you tried to get her to sheep you when you voted me.

[Majiffy]

Yes, I asked you to explain that. And you answered with "lol sheeping Amrun", which implies that

your

vote was sheeping Amrun. So now I am asking you to justify sheeping an emotionally charged, irrational vote blindly.

We had a lot of similar thinking about your challenge. I saw no reason to reject her thinking, especially not her emotions, which I think her legitimate. Agreeing with people is not scummy; it's what gives us progress in this game.

Which thinking would that be, that led her to voting me, and why are they legitimate? Please offer quotes from Amrun's posts to support your argument.

It's also funny that you're yelling at me for sheeping Amrun when you tried to get her to sheep you when you voted me.

Considering I have reasons for voting you, and Amrun was voting me out of emotionally blinded spite, you're making a shit comparison.

[StrangerCoug]

Which thinking would that be, that led her to voting me, and why are they legitimate? Please offer quotes from Amrun's posts to support your argument.

Now the whole town is forced to vote out of a pool we would not have chosen organically.

This was the tipping point for me.

There were actions he could have taken that weren't the plan that I didn't find scummy. This wasn't one of them. It strong arms the town into doing something they don't want to do and presenting them with only one likely option who is a newbie and likely to crack under pressure no matter the alignment.

Posted after my vote, but fits the "we were thinking the same thing" defense.

It's also funny that you're yelling at me for sheeping Amrun when you tried to get her to sheep you when you voted me.

Considering I have reasons for voting you, and Amrun was voting me out of emotionally blinded spite, you're making a shit comparison.

Do you think Amrun is scummy? Would it matter in terms of your reads which one she was voting? Her reactions are understandable and your trying to use Amrun's emotions to illegitimize her vote is noted. The two posts of hers that I quoted above are almost ten hours apart, which would be a lot of time for "heat of the moment" emotions to go away. So I don't buy emotional blindness.

[Majiffy]

Which thinking would that be, that led her to voting me, and why are they legitimate? Please offer quotes from Amrun's posts to support your argument.

Now the whole town is forced to vote out of a pool we would not have chosen organically.

This was the tipping point for me.

So spite. What a phenomenal argument.

There were actions he could have taken that weren't the plan that I didn't find scummy. This wasn't one of them. It strong arms the town into doing something they don't want to do and presenting them with only one likely option who is a newbie and likely to crack under pressure no matter the alignment.

Posted after my vote, but fits the "we were thinking the same thing" defense.

This is a false statement. There are 4 options, 3 of whom are

not

newbies. Furthermore, it pushes scum into the same kind of situation, except they have to now

anticipate

where town is going to go, and hope it's the right choice. Ergo my plan trumps Amrun's plan, and she's going to be butthurt all game over that.

Do you think Amrun is scummy? Would it matter in terms of your reads which one she was voting? Her reactions are understandable and your trying to use Amrun's emotions to illegitimize her vote is noted. The two posts of hers that I quoted above are almost ten hours apart, which would be a lot of time for "heat of the moment" emotions to go away. So I don't buy emotional blindness.

No, I think Amrun is dumbtown. It would, however, matter to an extent. Amrun did what I was expecting her to do as TownAmrun, so that solidified my read.

Her vote illigitimizes itself. She has no logical, well-reasoned argument for voting me.

[Grimgroove]

I urge you to read pages 24 and 25 again and again until you see what I see. It's really hard to miss. Wisdom is scum. The only reason why's holding on to his vote is not because he's having a moment of retardation (which is always a strange thing to assume) but because Stranger's flip will have him by the balls and he knows it.
Just read those pages, I implore you.

[Grimgroove]

Oops forgot to color Wisdom green.

You really shouldn't.

[Wisdom]

I must say that thinking Majiffy challenged 3/4 of his scum team is pretty nonsensical.

Seriously Amrun? That's what I argued? Of course he didn't challenge 3/4 of his scumteam, mollie is town.

[Wisdom]

The more you tell me to unvote the one who you initiated this challenge for the more my vote won't go anywhere. It's just hypocritical.

And mollie gets false townreads all the time, it can happen.

there are 3 players on here that I can pretty much guarantee that I can read. majiffy is 1 of them.

there were extenuating circumstances in the gonzo game for me voting the way that I did. it resulted in me probably never playing with buldey again and it makes me sad cos I feel like I lost a friend.

Considering that you might be wrong sometimes might help

[Majiffy]

I invite you to look into every scum game I played with Mollie and tell me how many she has called me town in.

[enomis]

SC in scum. See his latest post. Lynch him.

[Wisdom]

SC in scum. See his latest post. Lynch him.

whats scummy about that post?

[enomis]

Oh fuck. I meant his post 622 reading 2pages. Brb.