The Red Wedding - The Goose is Loose

[Nachomamma8]

You amused me. Not made me laugh outright enough to make you solid town, but amusement...

we share this towntell
i usually lynch scum with a stern angry face
or a disappointed, sad look

Wait Nacho - In the post you responded to me about, I told you that if you discussed Generic with me that would be really awesome. Why did you ignore that part?

I missed it, but we can talk Generic in a little while and it will be really awesome.

#80 - Everytime i have returned to this i have found good cases already raised, or am defending a point made against me or answering a question asked to me. I have placed votes when i see reason to and have reassessed when needed to.

I think this is the biggest problem. If you're town, you can't follow cases blindly even if good ones are already in thread. A vote is a contribution, but it's a contribution that can be easily mimicked. Give us that independent thought process so that the rest of the scum are easier to nail. It also surprises me that someone experienced in mafia like you is having trouble coming up with contributions of his own.

Six posts in a row, desperate man.

I'm probably going to hit 6 posts.
They won't be desperate.

CDB
CDB
I am glad you are finally
finally
town

BUT

you gotta do more than just tell me to lynch someone otherwise I'm just going to lynch the people I wanna lynch and scream while everybody tries the same thing until I find a good compromise/people see the light.

You missed where he scumslipped his expectation to survive the night phase then.

Do you expect differently?

[Nachomamma8]

I'll do Generic and Dekes deeper cases tomorrow, I'm getting a little tired and there are higher priority games to catch up on (although I do love you guys!).

[ChannelDelibird]

Frankly, Nacho, Day 1 being Day 1, it should be enough to pool scumreads and lynch the most popular. I'm not going to start walling and it seems like people are suspecting Amrun, Desperado and Generic just fine without me.

Unless you think I'm arguing for Metal Sonic scum in which case you're not reading.

[Nachomamma8]

Frankly, Nacho, Day 1 being Day 1, it should be enough to pool scumreads and lynch the most popular.

Wait, does that mean that you are going to give me your vote and let me lynch my scumread? I'm actually fucking amazing at lynching scum D1, so you're increasing your chances and the effort I have to put into the game goes down a little bit and everything is wonderful.

[macmollie]

hhhhmmm....

[Generic]

I lost a lot of enthusiasm and interest in this game thanks to the attitude of metal sonic.

If it means I'm lynched ultimately over it then do be it, but I will try to impose myself more in the game come day 2. If I'm going to have to listen to more 'cock head' reasonings then probably best just to leave you all to it without me.

I never replace out but I don't see any need to bother using up my time (I'm a father of three) having to endure indulging and messy mafia play. It's full and the game no longer exists.

And nacho, I wish I had a vig shot, but sadly my vote on his wagon will have to do. Confidence of surviving the night reads more as scummy than the person pointing it out, considering the rest of your post was strong analysis that last part was just a reach.

[Nachomamma8]

I was saying that he's probably not going to be killed during the night unless a vig wants to shoot him and anyone who knows how this game works knows that.

[Nachomamma8]

Although can I borrow your vote for today? I think that we're a little more likely to be inaccurate with people who are sucking all enjoyment out of the game, and I would love if you helped me with this Dekes wagon because he is not taking me seriously even though he's obvious scum and he's frustrating the hell out of me. I just ask that you help get him talking and then hopefully he'll do the rest. I'm talking with Metal Sonic already and plan to be talking with him since he's talking and he never does, so you have me looking at the case from a different angle.

[macmollie]

hey nacho the deadline is on the 9nth

wat's the date

[Generic]

Who are you wanting it on?

Cos if its me, forget it!

If its dekes I would be willing, I looked at him (some of that analysis you say I don't do) and felt his play was strong at the start and then suddenly flipped to very scummy. Never got a response when I asked about more to the case if there was any, and dekes himself ignored me.

So willing to move, but I would like to point out I have offered analysis on at least six players in this game so far.

[macmollie]

jesus christ

[Nachomamma8]

Who are you wanting it on?

Cos if its me, forget it!

you are town, sorry for making that clearer
yes please vote Dekes.

[Nachomamma8]

That will be as far as it goes, barring more replacements.

More replacements, can we have a new deadline? Please?
Plus Mos-Faire.

[Desperado]

hhhhmmm....

hey nacho the deadline is on the 9nth

wat's the date

jesus christ

Why don't you want to talk to me mollie?

[Generic]

unvote, vote: dekes

[macmollie]

hhhhmmm....

hey nacho the deadline is on the 9nth

wat's the date

jesus christ

Why don't you want to talk to me mollie?

I am sorry desp.

you asked me about nexus but I am really only loosely seeing him as scummy. it is something I want to discuss with mac cos he has a stronger scum read but weirdly I trust cdb's read on him cos I think he would say that as any alignment. does that make sense?

I think he has reacted badly but reacting badly does not a scum make. especially if they feel they are being attacked for dumb reasons and I get the impression that is where he is coming from. it was also either late at night or early morning for him. I do pay attention to posting times. I don't like that obtaining a list was like pulling teeth and I don't like that he is not really doing much but I am thinking it might be a playstyle thing. he will only be able to do for this for so long.

he is tweaking mac's scumdar all over the map so he is in the firm unsure need to sort pile.

I think metal is probably town but I doubt I will get a nacho lynch. and god do I want one. but I am looking at the playerlist and going by herd mentality said itt no it is not going to happen.

I had amrun as scum but she looked good going after metal for the reasons that she gave. but that is it. so unsure and will revisit as to why I thought she was scummy.

nacho is pushing dekes okay I almost want to play the lynch and see what happens cos I am not getting what I really need from nacho and that might help if dekes flips scum.

reck plummeted from town to scummy with his not reading the game. <----- bad reck BAD

cabd backed off then went to some convention and who knows. I hope to get something from him. he makes apple slot look better I think.

tierce and nacho - what the hell was that it smelled like scum theatre to me. nacho was blatantly posturing with his whole "^scum" posts but with no follow up or a push or a vote. I guess he (pretending he is town for a moment) that saying that would somehow...make her shake and shiver and meltdown I guess? I mean why do it if you are not wanting them to crack and not willing to vote them. she didn't crack btw. still wonder about her cos she and nacho are fosing each other but the whole narrative falls flat.

so can we compare notes other than nexus? cos I would like to. I feel like there are a lot of people are hanging back.

[macmollie]

unvote, vote: dekes

seriously

explain

[Desperado]

Do you think Reck is capable of faking that? I don't see the scum motivation for blatantly not reading, especially after multiple people tried to correct his mistakes.

I agree about Nacho's Dekes push, but he's ignoring me too and I have no idea what he was doing in 874...at first it seemed like he was defending Generic (in particular, "Sheeping has been flying around all over this game. Why is Generic's sheeping the worst?") but then he says "But all in all, Generic's been sheeping and agreeing a shit ton more than he should be at this point so I'm interested in that." ??? I don't get it.

I also don't understand how you could go from rightfully harassing metal about claiming his role name to townreading him after he retracts his vig claim entirely. Can you talk about that some more?

Auroros and inHim are two slots that I have no opinion on whatsoever.

I like what I've seen from tsunami (mostly Tammy I guess?) and CDB. #335 screams town to me, and CDB's constant naysaying on the Nexus case has actually swung all the way back to towntelling...I would have expected scumCDB to try and justify his read beyond meta at this point.

I'm not ready to let go of Nexus yet, but if I did I would probably help the metal wagon along. 468-470 are not town posts...I just don't see how a town player would even consider that as a proper reaction to what was happening.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm not reading because people are posting lots of words that seem to be needlessly longwinded and when I'm checking games I have a limited amount of attention available to allocate to each game. This disinterest is genuine, believe it or not, and I honestly considered replacing out but I don't want to make Andrius find ANOTHER replacement, so I'm going to stick it out and

hammer whoever gets to L-1

see what comes to me.

[inHimshallibe]

blue used to designate what sticks out in a post. instant scum-nudges, so-to-speak.

Spoiler: Pages 1-7

It's been a while.

VOTE: CDB

Might as well.

can't we just have a peaceful wedding

VOTE: cdb


what an uncouth name, probably not on the waiting list

Since RVS votes stopped pretty much at the apple vote on me from what I can determine (apologies for those before him voting for me seriously but some of the naked votes still seem like RVS) I am only rely starting to get a feel for who stands out with spurious comments and bad logic. And amrun you are at present looking bad.

My apologies if this is patronising, but how new to mafia games are you?

Reckoner in his own way hit on something that add me look closer at your subsequent posts and I'm torn on the balance of them. One or two seem genuine e but then you seem to also have this tent for a scummy comment.
The town hunting comment for example, declaring someone town without basis is a combination of arrogance and not having a proper case to base such a declaration on, yet you were fine with this as game progression. I am feeling there is a sense of misguidedness but the concern I have on the gut read is are you trying to back up a teammate?

Possible Generic/Amrun pairing.

All 3 of his posts give me bad vibes.

I usually come across as scum when I'm town. I play on another site and my scum survival rate is 100%, but my town survival rate is probably like 5%. And then I say these types of things that make my situation even worse :lol:

@BROseidon- What makes Nacho seem off to you?

Metal Sonic is seriously bothering me. He jumps on the early wagon and then doesn't even bother to say anything after. But because of this he is probably town.

Generic is coming across as frustrated townie so... UNVOTE: Generic
And Ankamius is probably town.

WLATTOTMF

^

I was about to say the same thing

VOTE: BROseidon

Why don't you have a vote down?

Because I don't vote for my null reads, silly :P

It was clear you had read and considered BRO's/my post "off", but it took Amrun pressuring you to vote and a RECKvote to actually place it?

You both may well be scum, but I'm not for a second buying "oh I don't remember why I said he was frustrated" because it's scummy.

It's scummy because when town players say things, they usually have conviction/reasoning behind what they say. But when scum players post, many times they fill their post with hot air or force reads that they don't actually believe (because they already know who is scum and who isn't) and those "forced reads" are accompanied by flowery adjectives that are empty and vapid.

You're

scumscumscumscumscumscum

.

Finally, a better-than-average post this game.

My head hurts from reading. And fuck Billy Idol!

Apple's wagon looks juicy...mmh, apple juice...where was I? Oh, right, I mean, the rap sheet's there: evasion, deflection, contradiction, fencesitting, bullshitting in general. The whole nine yards and then some. But I still sense a tingly feeling, or maybe a foul stench of a lynch for dumbassery incoming and I'm not sure if it's scum dumbassery or town dumbassery yet.

Nacho, on the other hand, is being more concerned with disproving mollie's alleged scum tell on him and he's riding the counter wagon. And I don't like like half of his town list. And I like mollie. So...

Torn. I'll get back to those later. We got time.

ChannelDeliBird
Nexus
BROseidon

Dudes actively avoiding the thread. Pick your poison. Vote count says I'm already on CDB, so it's all good.

pedit:
Apple's looking real baaad. Start being useful if you're town. Kthx. I need some sleep now.
And no, he isn't.

Starting the bus imo.

So of the first few pages, I'd vote:
Dekes
metal
KillerApple
...
...
Generic/Amrun

No cinched townreads yet. Scumpings are subject to the players' familiarity with the game, I may have to cut metal/KA slack.

[inHimshallibe]

and KA is now cabd.

[xRECKONERx]

Man, Cabd was so fucking scummy at the start of this game.

[xRECKONERx]

And by Cabd I mean his slot

And by his slot I mean KillerApple.

[inHimshallibe]

And by Cabd I mean his slot

And by his slot I mean KillerApple.

The site's pace may have let him slide, then, I take it, seeing as he was replaced.

I'll review the next few pages in a bit. Heigh ho, heigh ho...

[Generic]

Can someone summarise the dekes case for me.

What are your thoughts on dekes?

My thoughts are as follows looking back,

Strong early play, gave some people he had concerns about, A decent summary analysis of KA and nacho too. Particularly like post #233, a lot of good points and rebuttals of comments to him.
Then suddenly he is very different. Inactivity, promises of reads and posts that never come. Then post #734 is awful. Decided to change tactic and choose the best looking of the big wagons (taking notes Metal Sonic? These are things you placed at my door, yet dekes is openly admitting to attempting to do this).

So this is why I asked about dekes. To me its like jekyl and hyde. Wonderful opening game, very strong, then suddenly seems to almost descend into scummy play.

I mentioned it here macmollie.