Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Majiffy]

Found it. Thanks Majiffy!

No prob.

Majiffy which part of -he knew he was not hammered, he even tried to push a Venmar lynch- you don't understand?

I think the Venmar vote after Venmar voted is very telling. Why would AP place a vote on someone if he thought he was hammered? And why wouldn't he vote me, since I'm apparently in my own scum tier.

Chronology:

Venmar votes
AP votes
Amrun goes "oh was that hammer"
Venmar goes "yes"
AP goes "oh"

Simplified, but you guys are acting like it is

impossible

for:
AP to have voted, not thinking there was a hammer.
A big situation arises around it being a hammer.
And AP then thinking he was hammered, and acting accordingly.

It isn't outside the realm of possibility and it seems like there are a number of diehard positions being taken that assume it to be such that it IS outside the realm of possibility.

[Majiffy]

Alright listen up.
I found the two games that AP was mislynched as town.
In one of them, someone did the same thing that happened here; a fake hammer/reaction test.
Read and see what AP's reaction was.

Quoting this so it isn't lost on the last page.

[Majiffy]

Ok that situation is entirely different on account of the fact that the fake hammer was by someone already on the wagon. Venmar was not on the wagon.

Boo on you, Wisdom. Boo on you.

[Wisdom]

And this is the other one, if anyone cares. In both of them, AP spent his dying moments trying to actively advise the town on who they should go after next. Nothing like a simple "please lynch Elyse, thanks".

[Wisdom]

Ok that situation is entirely different on account of the fact that the fake hammer was by someone already on the wagon. Venmar was not on the wagon.

Boo on you, Wisdom. Boo on you.

How does that matter? In both cases it was an obvious reaction test. As town, AP instantly said "No, that's not a hammer", while here he acted like it was a hammer while he showed one post earlier that he knew it wasn't.

[Majiffy]

Second link doesn't go directly to the hammer/his reaction, ISO + ctrl F finds no results for "hammer". Please remedy.

And it matters because he knew someone ALREADY ON HIS WAGON can't hammer him, you fucking twit. This is someone OFF THE WAGON voting him. I mean, if you can't grasp the difference, I don't know what to say to you other than considering an hero.

[Wisdom]

Simplified, but you guys are acting like it is impossible for:
AP to have voted, not thinking there was a hammer.
A big situation arises around it being a hammer.
And AP then thinking he was hammered, and acting accordingly.

It isn't outside the realm of possibility and it seems like there are a number of diehard positions being taken that assume it to be such that it IS outside the realm of possibility.

Yes, I've thought of that possibility and I consider it completely impossible simply because someone who self-votes knows very well how many votes are on them. He was here all the time from his self-vote till the fake hammer. If there were any votes after my unvote, he would have seen them and he would be alerted he's at L-1 again.

But even if we consider that it's somehow possible and that AP genuinely thought he got hammered - his reactions are not town reactions. No rage, no active guidelines to the town on who to lynch, nothing. See those two games, see what he did in them when he was about to get lynched.

[Wisdom]

Second link doesn't go directly to the hammer/his reaction, ISO + ctrl F finds no results for "hammer". Please remedy.

ISO and go towards the end of his posts, duh.

And it matters because he knew someone ALREADY ON HIS WAGON can't hammer him, you fucking twit. This is someone OFF THE WAGON voting him. I mean, if you can't grasp the difference, I don't know what to say to you other than considering an hero.

That assumes that AP was paying attention to his votes in that game, right? He knew the hammerer was voting him already, so he spotted the test instantly.
So on the same assumption, knowing of what votes are on him, he'd know that Venmar's vote is L-1 and not hammer.
There's really no significant difference, both rely on knowledge of what players are on his wagon. And in our game, seeing as he even self-voted, it is guaranteed that this exists. So he noticed it there, he noticed it here. The difference is he isn't town here.

[Majiffy]

his reactions are not town reactions. No rage

Too much of a generalization. I have seen townies act the way AP did after being hammered on. Not everyone is indignant shouty angry rage at being mislynched, particularly when they know that a good portion of the playerlist has been scumreading them for a while and they have town reads on a number of said players.

At that point, the mindset is "Fuck, I really fucked this one up. Well, here, this is who I think you need to go after when you see I flip town: x"

no active guidelines to the town on who to lynch, nothing.

You mean like when he said "Lynch Elyse when I flip town"?

[Majiffy]

That assumes that AP was paying attention to his votes in that game, right? He knew the hammerer was voting him already, so he spotted the test instantly.

No. You don't need to know how many votes are on you to know if a single voter is on you.

Besides, if you check back in the game, he ASKED "aren't you already on my wagon?" and then looked back, confirmed, and made another post. WHICH MEANS HE DIDN'T ACTIVELY KNOW HIS WAGON IN THE WAY YOU ARE IMPLYING HE DOES IN THIS GAME.

[Wisdom]

Like I said, the simple "Lynch Elyse next, thanks" was nothing like what he did in his town games. It was simply an attempt to fake a hammered townie. Again, read those two games and read how he actively tried to advise the town on what people they should go after next. Here he only gave us reads after I asked him to, and nothing other than that simple thing about Elyse.

pedit:
"Arent you already in my wagon" shows that he instantly figured something's wrong, he instantly figured this is a test. He checked and confirmed. Did he do that here? No. He took Venmar's "Yes I hammered" as granted and started acting. If we follow your scenario, that he was thinking he was not hammered, but he was confused by Venmar and Amrun's statements, wouldn't he think that something is wrong, like he did in that game? Wouldn't he go check and come back to say "Nope, reaction test" like in that game?

[Majiffy]

No because he -


Fuck it, I'm tired of repeating myself. Go back to the beginning of the argument and read my posts again, all of your questions already have answers.

[Wisdom]

Jiffy listen to me.
Let's assume it's like you say.
He thinks he's not hammered, then the whole fuzz about the vote being a hammer confuses him.
What does the linked game show us that he would do in that situation? He would go check, confirm things are like he thought, and he would come back to state "Nope, you didn't hammer. Silly reaction test." like he did in that game.
Instead, he takes Venmar's declaration for granted, he doesn't check, and he switches from posting about how we should lynch Venmar today, to posting about how we should lynch Elyse tomorrow.

[Majiffy]

w/e I've said everything to death by now, I'm getting really tired of this dumb argument.

[Wisdom]

Kay, when you aren't tired, come and explain to me where I'm wrong.

[SafetyDance]

Yeah, yeah, prod received. I was struggling to read any game I was in over the the weekend.

I've been trying to catch up. I'm on page 38 which was like, only 6 hours ago and there's another 7 pages to go? All I see is like 40+ pages of egos floating around trying to bash the others into submission. Do you know how hard that is to sift through and analyse? >.<

Like fuuu.

Lmao @ Magiffy. You always read me as scum. In every single game. Love your epic skillz <3

Way I see it now I can see the scum team being Magiffy + NS + Venmar/Wisdom/AP + Enomis/Amrun/Elyse. Which probably isn't a good thing that I can't fit PM in there but she's a town read who could be coasting I suppose.

So from that vote pool, I can always get behind an NS lynch.

Vote: NS

[Wisdom]

So Majiffy is scum because he's reading you as scum?

Also, did you read what AP did? What's your opinion?

[AngryPidgeon]

WHAT DO WE SAY TO THE DEATH GOD?

NOT TODAY.

[AngryPidgeon]

(there's no way someone doesn't know how many votes they have, especially when they have self-voted)

If I cared about how many votes on me, I wouldn't be voting myself.

plant town looking reactions

OR MAYBE IT WAS THE ACTUALLY OBVIOUS CHOICE YOU IDIOT.

[AngryPidgeon]

His reaction was NOT ragey, as I'd expect of town -- it was cautious. Now I'm unsure what to think.

Let me paint a fucking picture for you.

I roll into the office at 9. I feel really bad about lurking my ass off in this game so I start making posts. People are mislynching me and nothing actually gets me more involved in a game than people trying to ML me. (But AP this is AtE! Yes, and screw you too.) so I start posting back. Suddenly its lunch time and I havent done any actual work. Im feeling moderately shitty because my sleeping schedule is shit and I just can't bering myself to work when I know the idiots in my game will eventually realize Im obviously playing to a town wincon if I do the one thing that actually makes my town play good and just post my stream of thoughts and rage. Finally its 5:15 or some shit. And I actually havent done jackshit for work because Ive been playing this game all day. I'm fucjking exhausted from sitting at my cube which is too hot and not having any sleep and generally angry at myself for not getting any work done and to top it all off Venmar (I was wrong about this but whatever) blatantly insults me personally so I raged at him, saw Amrun as k if it was the hammer but didnt care enough to do something other than tell Venny to piss off. When he confirmed it, I said "fucking dumbass" outloud and looked around to see if the guy that sits behind me heard it (he had headphones on). So no, I did not give enough fucks to verify whether or not I was hammered. I was telling myself that I was overbooked on games anyways and was kinda happy it was all over.

But this game is a fucking Zombie and apparently its not going away. But neither am I, BITCHES. THIS IS A NIGHTLESS SO YOU ALL GET TO ENJOY ME.

[AngryPidgeon]

I just read it again. He took too long to address it. That's not natural.

VOTE: angryPidgeon

WHAT DID I NOT ADDRESS IN A SATISFACTORY TIME FRAME?

FOR SOME ONE WHO IS COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING GIVEN SHIT FOR ACTIVITY, THIS IS HYPOCRITICAL AS FUCK.

Let me find the quote

[AngryPidgeon]

Trying to paint my infrequent phone posting as scummy when it's public knowledge I'm not around for this time frame is scummy as fuck.

Thats the one.

BUT AP IM TALKING ABOUT OVERALL ACTIVITY HERE AND IM TALKING ABOUT YOUR RESPONSE TIME (ACTIVITY) WITH YOU.

I DONT GIVE A FUCK. YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING AROUND THE TIME I THOUGHT VENMAR HAMMERED ME?

I was pissed off at myself (and life in general). I put an honest-to-God effort into this game but despite that my wheels were spinning. And around the time I blew off some coworker about WORK Venmar trollhammers me after calling me a moron.

I gave absolutely zero fucks.

I made

Yeah I hammered btw.

Lynch elyse tomorrow, thanks.

I absolve any responsibility from this impending loss.

and walked to my car and drove home pretty much immediately after.

I made the reads list from Stoneridgemall Rd while making a

GODDAMN left turn and stuck at a red light.

I made 1019 and 1022 FROM THE

FUCKING FREEWAY

DRIVING AT 75 +/- 5 MPH. I can give you my license plate and VIN if you would like to confirm those.

I made 1025 from the

TACO BELL DRIVE THRU

which is my fav RAGE food and the ones after that I dont even fucking remembr which clealy makes me MAFIA.

I ORDERED 2 BEEFY-5 LAYER BURRITOS AND A DOUBLE DECKER TACO.

[AngryPidgeon]

mollie listen.
This is what happened.
AP self-voted and brought himself to L-1.
I instantly unvoted, which brought him to L-2.
Then after much discussion and no votes, Venmar votes him and claims it was the hammer.
Do you really think AP didn't know it wasn't fake?

pedit: I cannot work with herds, you know me.

This post.

AP was at L - 1, therefore AP was fully aware of what he was doing at all times!

No, I am trying to stay afloat in my games with the very short time I have in between customers. I've said I'm crazy busy this week and restricted to phone access with scattered attention until I'm blue in the face.

Id like to point this scumposting again.

'If I lurk it s ok,but if ap BLINKS then hes DEFO MAFIA ALIGNED.'

These scum-aligned posts from Amrun are so obvious it HURTS. COG DIS DOES NOT GET MORE BLATANT THAN THIS.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also the self-vote didn't happen because he gave up. The self-vote happened because he wanted to "test" if Grimgroove would hammer him or not.


pedit: you cannot vote Amrun

I gave up after I thought I was hammered you raging trollbucket. Is the concept of events happening in a cause-effect sequence that difficult to grasp?


Related reading.

eta: having to hit the resubmit button TWICE fuck no are you trying to say I am ignoring you fuck no

YES, because Amrun is scum and has double standards for everyone that isn't her's POSTING FREQUENCY.

Read it with the mindset that AP is scum who knows this is a fake hammer and says "This is a reaction test, let's act like I'm town and just got hammered". Tell me if it makes sense.

ok, but Im town. And you are flatouit ignoring that possibility (well PA could have done it as scum; conclusion: scum) which would kind of make sense from Amrun and elyse, since as I saw one of them assert meaningfully "they thought I was scum before this derp derp derp" but from someone that thought I was town to not even CONSIDER that possibility?

Spoiler:

I'll try to summarize the whole situation again.

-AP is at L-2.
-Grim claims that he wants AP lynched, but doesn't vote him.
-AP self-votes, and dares Grim to hammer him (AP now at L-1)
-Wisdom instantly unvotes (AP back to L-2, AP is obviously aware of this since it happened instantly and AP posted after that a lot.)
-After lots of discussion, Venmar votes AP. Doesn't say that he hammers or anything.
-

This is important

: AP votes Venmar back when that happens, claiming that a Venmar lynch is what has to happen after all. What does that mean?

That AP knows he isn't hammered.

-Amrun goes "omg was that a hammer?" and Venmar takes the opportunity and states that it was a hammer.
-AP then acts like he doesn't know that it is a hammer, and after a long delay, he says "okay lynch Elyse tomorrow". Not the rage you'd expect after the supposed frustration he had shown in his most recent posts, nothing. Just a caution, simple request to lynch someone. And the same applies to the reads he gave when I asked him. And the same applies to the answer to Venmar's question about his alignment: Just "Town".

Read everything that happened again if you think my summary does not reflect the truth. AP obviously knew the hammer was fake. Obviously. As town, he'd have no reason to act like he doesn't know and do all this stuff. He'd go "No Venmar, you didn't hammer." or something. This is scum-AP knowing it's a reaction test and trying to act like a hammered townie.

Yes repeat the same case REPACKAGED. Something something something, AP must be held 100% accountable for knowing the VC at all times. Its like you are going out of your way to find ways to justify your absurd pet theory with hopes of getting a

Best Mafia Catcher

award for finding sneaky old scum AP. Hint: You wont.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yeah AP is still scum. Wisdom summed it up pretty well. Also, AP has only been mislynched twice so I would expect more rage.

His reaction was NOT ragey, as I'd expect of town -- it was cautious. Now I'm unsure what to think.

Let me paint a fucking picture for you.

I roll into the office at 9. I feel really bad about lurking my ass off in this game so I start making posts. People are mislynching me and nothing actually gets me more involved in a game than people trying to ML me. (But AP this is AtE! Yes, and screw you too.) so I start posting back. Suddenly its lunch time and I havent done any actual work. Im feeling moderately shitty because my sleeping schedule is shit and I just can't bering myself to work when I know the idiots in my game will eventually realize Im obviously playing to a town wincon if I do the one thing that actually makes my town play good and just post my stream of thoughts and rage. Finally its 5:15 or some shit. And I actually havent done jackshit for work because Ive been playing this game all day. I'm fucjking exhausted from sitting at my cube which is too hot and not having any sleep and generally angry at myself for not getting any work done and to top it all off Venmar (I was wrong about this but whatever) blatantly insults me personally so I raged at him, saw Amrun as k if it was the hammer but didnt care enough to do something other than tell Venny to piss off. When he confirmed it, I said "fucking dumbass" outloud and looked around to see if the guy that sits behind me heard it (he had headphones on). So no, I did not give enough fucks to verify whether or not I was hammered. I was telling myself that I was overbooked on games anyways and was kinda happy it was all over.

But this game is a fucking Zombie and apparently its not going away. But neither am I, BITCHES. THIS IS A NIGHTLESS SO YOU ALL GET TO ENJOY ME.

Why would ap, so full of rage just a moment before, lose it all upon thinking he has been mislynched? It doesn't make sense.

His reaction was NOT ragey, as I'd expect of town -- it was cautious. Now I'm unsure what to think.

Let me paint a fucking picture for you.

I roll into the office at 9. I feel really bad about lurking my ass off in this game so I start making posts. People are mislynching me and nothing actually gets me more involved in a game than people trying to ML me. (But AP this is AtE! Yes, and screw you too.) so I start posting back. Suddenly its lunch time and I havent done any actual work. Im feeling moderately shitty because my sleeping schedule is shit and I just can't bering myself to work when I know the idiots in my game will eventually realize Im obviously playing to a town wincon if I do the one thing that actually makes my town play good and just post my stream of thoughts and rage. Finally its 5:15 or some shit. And I actually havent done jackshit for work because Ive been playing this game all day. I'm fucjking exhausted from sitting at my cube which is too hot and not having any sleep and generally angry at myself for not getting any work done and to top it all off Venmar (I was wrong about this but whatever) blatantly insults me personally so I raged at him, saw Amrun as k if it was the hammer but didnt care enough to do something other than tell Venny to piss off. When he confirmed it, I said "fucking dumbass" outloud and looked around to see if the guy that sits behind me heard it (he had headphones on). So no, I did not give enough fucks to verify whether or not I was hammered. I was telling myself that I was overbooked on games anyways and was kinda happy it was all over.

But this game is a fucking Zombie and apparently its not going away. But neither am I, BITCHES. THIS IS A NIGHTLESS SO YOU ALL GET TO ENJOY ME.