Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Amrun]

Every five seconds she goes "oh, I had a freak out moment about him but then it was okay," though.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yeah, but that's why it's weird. Like, if she read you as town, what's the town motive to even do that?

p-edit: this post to AP

Im not actually sure what she reads me as tbh lol. But I'll give you that.

P-edit: sounds like Mollie from PoshMafia although she was more active there.

[Amrun]

Was she scum or town there?

[Wisdom]

I am freaking out a bit cos majiffy texted me to get more active in the game but is vote parking on sd. and he has not been as active as I like or as communicative as I like wrt this game. this game started when another game was wrapping up where I trolleytracked on him and was wrong.

if you are asking me not to get shaky on my read on him I can't promise that and why are you even asking this of me.

She didn't say that it was okay. And she said that she cannot promise she won't get shaky on her read on him.

[Wisdom]

Every five seconds she goes "oh, I had a freak out moment about him but then it was okay," though.

And no that's incorrect, I don't think she had any other "freak out moments" about him other than the one I just quoted

[Amrun]

Yeah, you're right, re-reading that. I thought she retracted it but she actually didn't.

p-edit: I think she has, though not using the exact word "freak out," but I may be wrong.

[AngryPidgeon]

Was she scum or town there?

Town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=25367

[Wisdom]

I don't think she has. I think it's the first time she mentions she's doubting her townread on him.

[qwints]

VOTE: Amrun

Here's how I'm feeling right now:

Town reads: Elyse; Majiffy; Mollie; AP
Scum reads: Amrun; Grim

That leaves: wisdom, enomis and venmar.

Elyse was an early townread (given hindsight) due to the jokey "obv-town" comment on NS. There was no reason for her to draw attention like she did if she were scum. She's also a critical part of the NS switch. She's town.

Majiffy's early drunken challenge seems overconfident town majiffy to me, and he's town for being first on the final version of the NS wagon

Mollie's town because Majiffy says so.

Amrun's early game theorizing came off as scummy. He hammered SC early on, and then avoided the NS wagon while voicing very limited support

I think we should lynch ns if he doesn't provide content today.

I don't actually want to lynch him over AP. I want to use the threat of lynching him to force him to produce content. But if I'm not willing to put my money where my mouth is, it's an empty threat. And the thing is, if he's not going to provide content at all, it's better to lynch him now than later even if he IS Town.

The sad thing is is that he probably is town because usually as scum he puts in some token effort.

I love NS but in a 4 scum night less game we can't afford dead weight.

In fact, Safety dance has produced SOMETHING, and what he has produced I lean scum on.

But ns hasn't posted anything at all but prod dodges.

and then claims credit with:

challenge the monkeys

Well, that's why we lynch ns. He is too hard to read to keep around very long.

[Wisdom]

Do you have no read on myself, enomis and Venmar?

[AngryPidgeon]

QWINTS YOU ARENY JUST VOTING THE AMRUN WAGON TO SURVIVE ARE YOU?

[Wisdom]

Mollie's town because Majiffy says so.

Are there any other reasons for why mollie is town?

[Wisdom]

Scum reads: Amrun; Grim

Also explain your scumread on Grim

[AngryPidgeon]

Elyse was an early townread (given hindsight) due to the jokey "obv-town" comment on NS. There was no reason for her to draw attention like she did if she were scum.

This is actually a pretty legitimate point.

And ya Amrun did retroactively try to grab some credit for the NS wagon there.

[qwints]

For Amrun, he should be she. Sorry.

Her play on D2 is classic distancing without being willing to actually bus. And I don't buy Wisdom's claim that Amrun distancing from Grimm now means that they can't be scum buddies.

@Wisdom, I'm conflicted on two and null on the thrird. I've got a legal pad filled with red and black for you and venmar, and somehow read the game without making any notes on enomis.

@AP, NOT

JUST

TO SURVIVE. HAPPY?

[Amrun]

I still think majiffy is town but I don't like how he texts me to "post more content" when he has not even been around all day. I told him last night I was a bit mafia-ed out and I don't like being told how I should prioritize my games but I am not ready to eat the paranoia flakes on him yet.

This is what I was thinking of.

Mollie, please address my previous post.

fuck this shit if it is the post I just responded to I am responding in the order that I read them

VOTE: amrun

hell no you are trying to manipulate the situ where there are a bunch of people posting and trying to make it look like I am deliberately ignoring you

This post still bothers me.

a) I am not even in the lynch pool at this point, which shows how unconcerned mollie actually is about the game state.

b) It shows a heightened sense of self-awareness and over defensiveness, because her portrayal of what is actually happening is not even close to reality.

c) Mollie never really corrects this and engages in the game state, just fencesits galore.

p-edit:

LOL

I didn't avoid the NS wagon. I actually started it, though eventually unvoted in order to vote for AP. Still, with a little less lazy and more unique thought, that could have been turned into something. But it wasn't -- that's the laziest, most opportunistic vote. He doesn't spend ANY time on his other scum "read," which doesn't make sense as scum with me in ANY universe, and he doesn't even have enough scumreads. If he was just like "I'm voting Amrun because I want to live!" then that would be one thing, but he has to fake a scumread badly. That's a wrap, folks.

The only thing that has any legitimacy at all is trying to take "credit," for the wagon, but that's not how I intended that post and it's not inconsistent with anything I ever posted. I supported the wagon the whole way through, even though I openly thought he had a better chance of flipping town than scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

@AP, NOT JUST TO SURVIVE. HAPPY?

It was kind of a joke since you only have 3 places to vote anyways and you think Elyse is town.

[Wisdom]

The obvtown comment was actually about Safety, wasn't it?

pedit: Can you tell us all about all these notes you made?

And I don't buy Wisdom's claim that Amrun distancing from Grimm now means that they can't be scum buddies.

That's not what I said. They're not scumbuddies because of Grim's comments yesterday on lynching Amrun today.

[qwints]

Here is my entire notes on why I think mollie is town. "Majiffy ---[black line]--> Mollie" So no, not from my initial read through.

The AP town-read is entirely based on the reaction to the fake hammer.

For Grim, I have Grim -->SC & Wisdom post 770 (720?). I'll review that.

[Wisdom]

I want to hear all you have on me and Venmar. Which parts made you think we're town, which parts made you think we're scum. All these notes you made.

[AngryPidgeon]

What obvtown comment? I told mollie I was confirmed town and she told me that I couldn't be confirmed because there are no PRs. Which is obvious and dumb and exactly what I'd expect from her as town really.

@Qwints: Have you played with Majiffy-scum before?

[qwints]

SafetyDance is obvtown.

It was. My bad. So forget that point.

@Wisdom, I've got a legal pad that I made two pages of notes on. I use red for scummy things and black for townie things.

[Amrun]

SafetyDance is obvtown.

It was. My bad. So forget that point.

@Wisdom, I've got a legal pad that I made two pages of notes on. I use red for scummy things and black for townie things.

And? He's asking you to post them.

[Wisdom]

What obvtown comment? I told mollie I was confirmed town and she told me that I couldn't be confirmed because there are no PRs. Which is obvious and dumb and exactly what I'd expect from her as town really.

Elyse jokingly said "Safety is obvtown" at the beginning. I think that's what quints was talking about.

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom, I've got a legal pad that I made two pages of notes on. I use red for scummy things and black for townie things.

Good, share those with us